Don't trust aga from Netpond with an escrow (or Slavik for that matter)

I'm not going to spend the whole night rehashing what is in the thread. I'm going to bed.

My post is a warning to people that there are those that operate on their word and those that don't. Amongst the people that I do business with, it's simply unheard of to say "yes" to an escrow and agree and then default to sell to someone else.

I am particularly disappointed in Slavik. I gave him ample opportunity to explain his case to me and make good. He refused. His silence has spoken. I'm sorry that I won't be able to do business with him again.

For those of you who think "no harm no foul" please don't do business with me either.

Who's to say Slavik's even ignoring you? He might have left the house, gone to dinner, it's a holiday weekend and he might have left early. Reaming someone because they are "silent" just doesn't make logical sense.

And what is the answer you want from him? Out of all three of you he's the one with the least knowledge of anything you and Aga supposedly worked out. If he cuts you a deal, great, but if he doesn't, he's done NOTHING wrong.

con't:

Those of us in the business of buying up domains have an unwritten rule that if you bring us a name, we will never push you out of the way if you have a specific price and we aren't in the middle of buying that name or seriously negotiating. Point is, we want people to continue sending us names, so if we start cutting out freelancers, we lose names. It's that simple.

So, you write me and say: "Dombuyer is this name worth $400 to you without knowing the traffic?"

I say "Why, yes it is."

Now you're investment is guaranteed.

Email the second Dombuyer guy. Maybe it's Slavik.

"Slavik, is this name worth $500 to you?"

"Why, yes it is" says Slavik.

Repeat until someone says "No."

Right there, without having put up a dime, you might have made $300 or more on top of your original $300."

The key is not to contact someone you can't trust, else they will cut you out and it's game over.

I have a name right now that is a beat $25k but I'm not sure I want it, even though the seller and I have agreed on a price. I have a list of people I can contact and ask if they want it, without it getting back to the seller or having it bought out from under me. This serves all parties in this trust loop.

I guess I can see in this thread who know how to make money, and those who are clueless.

when are you going to learn that whatever your offer is, is always lower than any real domain buyer will spend.

you are like the giant catfish caught recently - a bottomfeeder

congrats slavik and a deal ain't done until it's done- just like 99.9% of the domains you prematurely ejaculate about that you lose later.

bay areaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Hello

Look.. Dombuyer did not get the domain because he uses bully boy tactics in order to get domains for a fraction of what they are worth. Things like sending off escrow agreements and saying he has already sent $$ to escrow.com before a deal has even been agreed on. Also making deadlines or no deal..

I dont need the $$ and dont suffer bullies.. so he lost out.

I`d post the emails and ICQs we exchanged on here.. showing the but that would be uncool, an invasion of privacy and maybe even illegal.

Oh.. and Slavics away for a week in Vegas.. But I bet Dombuyer knew that ;)



BTW.. promote http://www.netpondcash.. we have uniques sites like http://aga.uncovered.com and http://dogging.uncovered.com lol

Bottom Line:

1. You may have had a contract with Aga.

2. You did not have a contract with Slavik.

3. Dragging Slavik's name through the mud in this situation is just low.

Wrong. Having made slavik aware of a contract with escrow, and the seller's word to sell to me, slavik should have handed the name back to me in order to preserve the escrow process he uses himself.

That he didn't says something about him, and exposes him to the same dirty tactics. Lots of you guys here seem to think anything goes until the money's in the bank. I don't. You don't have to agree. This warning is for those who think like me.

Your beef is with Aga and nothing you say with convince anyone otherwise.

Aga has replied... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472368

Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

I'm broke, can you point me in the right direction?

a deal ain't done until it's done-

a deal is a deal where i come from.

sounds like you could not afford to pay more than slavik or you would have and kept your deal alive.

Are 2 people using your account ?

Just thought I'd share with you a very disappointing domain transaction and fair warning on these two guys and how they operate.

Some weeks back I got Aga, co-owner from Netpond, to sell me dowloads.com. (I'd use his real name, but apparently it's against the rules here. email me if you need the straight goods). He approached me via my gfy thread.

We bargained back and forth and eventually I agreed to his asking price of $25k. He asked if we could do the escrow.com transaction when he returned on Friday. I told him via icq:

"Just give me your word we're done at $25k, and you can do it tomorrow or something. Fair enough?"

His response (direct from icq logs):

"you have my word I own Netpond.com so you could always come and slag me off on my own board! lol.. hey.. would love for you to pop your head in every now and again.. its where webfather broke his teeth!"

Then he went ahead and decided to just agreee to the escrow.com transaction anyways.

I wired out the money the next day.

Then I get a note from escrow.com that he has cancelled the transaction.

"He doesn't want to sell at the price at this time." the cancellation says.

I'm thinking, WTF!!!??

I honestly have never had someone cancel an agreed-upon escrow. As far as I'm concerned, once someone agrees to escrow and gives me their word, it's a done deal unless someone doesn't pay or someone takes too long to follow through.

Long story short is he doesn't bother to even email me like a man and tell me why he's cancelling a binding contract.

Then I find out that he's sold the name out from under me to Slavik, a guy who has always been a standup guy with me, and with whom I've done lots of business.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am. Why would a guy like slavik do such a thing. To me, AGA from Netpond is now scum, blacklisted far and wide. But he's not who I care about. It seems awfully out of character for a guy like slavik.

When I ask slavik via icq what the deal is, he tells me that AGA was settling a debt by giving him the domain.

I say to him, "Yes, but I had an escrow with him. Do contracts mean nothing to you?"

Silence.

I ask him if he knew I had an escrow transaction with him? He says he didn't know.

I tell him: "Well, now you know and if the situation were reversed, you wouldn't have to ask me twice to get the domain back."

More silence.

Since then, I have sent four or five emails and icq's to slavik, all ignored.

I'm never surprised when people grub for an extra nickel, but this one caught me by surprise.

Mr. deltino.com? History to me. But slavik? That's more puzzling.

Slav, you going to let me have dowloads.com back at the $25k that I was supposed to have it back via escrow.com, or do contracts and word mean nothing to you.

PS: Don't expect to do any more biz with us until this is resolved. It may not hurt you, but that's not the point. Word is bond.

PPS: As I told you via icq, people approach me with names you have in escrow. I never touch 'em. Why can't you extend me the same courtesy?

Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

Dombuyer,

Did you send an escrow agreement to me before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did you wire money to Escrow.com before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did I say on more than one occasion that I had not made up my mind whether to sell to you or not.. and that in 2 hours I would be leaving the country for a couple of days. Id make a decision when I got back? (This was 3am my time)

Would you have it? nah.

You pushed too hard.. and on reflection I felt like I was getting fucked.

So I pulled out. Simple as that

I asked him if he knew and he said "No".

I said "Now you know, and I want the domain I contracted to buy back"

Silence.

To me, that's the same as knowing.

I always try to keep business and friendship out of the same equation. I know sometimes it's inevitable, but in this case you learned a good lesson the hard way. I for one have know Slavik for 9-10 years now, and have always found him to be a stand up guy. If he says he did not know I believe him. Regardless, your issues is with the seller not Slavik. If you feel that strongly about the name and the situation you should seek legal action. After all you had a binding contract on the deal go after it that way. I do not necessarily agree that judgment with regards to Slavik?s involvement is warranted here, and you seem to be burning that bridge unnecessarily. He's a business man who saw an opportunity and took it. As unfortunate as it is, your only recourse at this point (IMHO) is to go after it legally or move on and learn a lesson from the situation.

"you have my word I own Netpond.com so you could always come and slag me off on my own board! lol.. hey.. would love for you to pop your head in every now and again.. its where webfather broke his teeth!"

That doesn't sound like you were pressured It sounds like you agreed to a deal.

I'm not going to spend the whole night rehashing what is in the thread. I'm going to bed.

My post is a warning to people that there are those that operate on their word and those that don't. Amongst the people that I do business with, it's simply unheard of to say "yes" to an escrow and agree and then default to sell to someone else.

I am particularly disappointed in Slavik. I gave him ample opportunity to explain his case to me and make good. He refused. His silence has spoken. I'm sorry that I won't be able to do business with him again.

For those of you who think "no harm no foul" please don't do business with me either.