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  • MegaBondage
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2003
    • 101

    #1

    Models Privacy and 2257

    Okay so your going to sell content with the Models id, (2 forms of PICTURE Id) and a copy of the image contract aka the Photographers contract in which the model he/she verifies by signature that they are 18 years of age or older.


    You sell a set to billy bob from Billys Bib Tits website.

    Billy likes one of the models and begins calling her and harrasing her.

    The model asks Billy where he got her information and he says YOU the photographer.


    Now the model is suing you.





    Sound far fetched?


    Might not be.



    I have almost 2,000 different 2257 docs here, on digital and on paper, EVERY SINGLE ONE list on the contract their name, address, social security number, telephone number, contact emergency phone number.

    What if someone pretending and posing to be a webmaster was using the new 2257 law specifically for the use of stalking a model?
  • Kevsh
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 8619

    #2
    Maybe content producers will have to change how and who they do business with?

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    • AaronM
      GFY Royality ;)
      • Oct 2001
      • 46917

      #3
      Gee, this is the first time that this issue has been brought up.

      Why didn't somebody think of this sooner?

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      • MegaBondage
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jul 2003
        • 101

        #4
        Well Aaron let's hear YOUR "opinion"

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        • tony299
          lurker
          • Aug 2002
          • 57021

          #5
          In print photographers have been sending model info with bought pictures for years. Content providers are going to have to any do business with real companies.

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          • Bansheelinks
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2003
            • 6023

            #6
            the bush administration is absolutely fucking nuts.

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            • After Shock Media
              It's coming look busy
              • Mar 2001
              • 35299

              #7
              What if you were not an idiot, oh the possibilities.

              Lets break it down for slow people like you.
              1. You do not need 2 forms of ID.
              2. The contract they sign and the age verification can be two different forms.
              3. If the photographer takes a PHOTO of the model holding her ID next to her face as the first picture in the set. Assuming said model signed your photo release giving you full ownership and copyright over the photo sets you took, and your release has distribution rights included. Said model will not win court case since you only gave out one of the photos in the set.
              4. Your age verification does not need to include all that other personal crap like emergency phone, phone and so on.
              5. May you die of acute lead poisoning.

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              • MegaBondage
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jul 2003
                • 101

                #8
                Originally posted by tony404
                In print photographers have been sending model info with bought pictures for years. Content providers are going to have to any do business with real companies.

                Therein lies the problem, how would you know who a "real company" is and who isn't.


                There are literally hundreds of thousands of small time adult webmasters, and every now and then a few break free to be a "real company", such as Epic Cash did.

                So how would you even try to figure who was a "real company" and who wasnt.


                I think content sales are going to be at an all time low for many content places.


                Ounique is going to hate trying to get all their sets into downloadable 2257 zips.

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                • MegaBondage
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 101

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                  What if you were not an idiot, oh the possibilities.

                  Lets break it down for slow people like you.
                  1. You do not need 2 forms of ID.
                  2. The contract they sign and the age verification can be two different forms.
                  3. If the photographer takes a PHOTO of the model holding her ID next to her face as the first picture in the set. Assuming said model signed your photo release giving you full ownership and copyright over the photo sets you took, and your release has distribution rights included. Said model will not win court case since you only gave out one of the photos in the set.
                  4. Your age verification does not need to include all that other personal crap like emergency phone, phone and so on.
                  5. May you die of acute lead poisoning.

                  So your telling me that Suze Randal, Max Candy and Paul Markham all do it wrong eh?
                  Let's put also Randy Shelly, Kevin Lawson and Jim Thompson (Before he died) all did their 2257 info wrong eh?

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                  • GatorB
                    The Demon & 12clicks
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 18208

                    #10
                    THe DOJ has already said the saftety of the models is of no concern to them.

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                    • MegaBondage
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 101

                      #11
                      Let me post a REAL 2257 and see how much you think it looks wrong...

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                      • After Shock Media
                        It's coming look busy
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 35299

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MegaBondage
                        So your telling me that Suze Randal, Max Candy and Paul Markham all do it wrong eh?
                        Let's put also Randy Shelly, Kevin Lawson and Jim Thompson (Before he died) all did their 2257 info wrong eh?
                        Where did I say they did it wrong?

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                        • AaronM
                          GFY Royality ;)
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 46917

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MegaBondage
                          Well Aaron let's hear YOUR "opinion"

                          Nowhere in the law does it state that you are required to give all of that info. So you have the models SSN, phone number...All that shit written down on your own form...Big deal. Create a separate form for your customers as I have done.

                          This form includes what they need for compliance. If you don't want to give the SSN then don't include it as a secondary ID as the example shows. A second ID is not required by law anyway.

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                          • Nate-MM2
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 263

                            #14
                            US producers could sell their content through a proxy broker to get away from being labeled the 'primary producer' since the content broker would then be the 'primary producer' and where the paper trail ends from the production of any given photograph or video clip.

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                            • Turboface
                              Back in Black
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 9976

                              #15
                              MegaBondage = David Stodghill.

                              http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=472422

                              He's got big ones for starting another 2257 thread after all the content he 'resold' to people over the last couple years.

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                              • MegaBondage
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 101

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                Where did I say they did it wrong?

                                Read the law on what Constitutes ACCEPTABLE AGE Verification for 2257.


                                http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...8----000-.html




                                2 PHOTO IDS
                                NAME
                                ADDRESS
                                TELEPHONE NUMBER
                                Social Security Number



                                Anything else ?

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                                • MegaBondage
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 101

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                  Nowhere in the law does it state that you are required to give all of that info. So you have the models SSN, phone number...All that shit written down on your own form...Big deal. Create a separate form for your customers as I have done.

                                  This form includes what they need for compliance. If you don't want to give the SSN then don't include it as a secondary ID as the example shows. A second ID is not required by law anyway.


                                  It is now, read updated:


                                  http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...8----000-.html

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                                  • GatorB
                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 18208

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                    Nowhere in the law does it state that you are required to give all of that info. So you have the models SSN, phone number...All that shit written down on your own form...Big deal. Create a separate form for your customers as I have done.

                                    This form includes what they need for compliance. If you don't want to give the SSN then don't include it as a secondary ID as the example shows. A second ID is not required by law anyway
                                    A pimary producer has to give a secondary producer UNEDITED copies. All that blacked out crap won't fly. It's in the regs.

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                                    • After Shock Media
                                      It's coming look busy
                                      • Mar 2001
                                      • 35299

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                      Read the law on what Constitutes ACCEPTABLE AGE Verification for 2257.


                                      http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...8----000-.html




                                      2 PHOTO IDS
                                      NAME
                                      ADDRESS
                                      TELEPHONE NUMBER
                                      Social Security Number



                                      Anything else ?
                                      Yes your still an idiot and I do not have time to debate why you are so fucking wrong.

                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                      • After Shock Media
                                        It's coming look busy
                                        • Mar 2001
                                        • 35299

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                        A pimary producer has to give a secondary producer UNEDITED copies. All that blacked out crap won't fly. It's in the regs.
                                        Just maybe, he was posting that as a sample and did not want everyone to have a models info?

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                                        • AaronM
                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 46917

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MegaBondage

                                          That link has fuck all to do with what the DOJ just released.

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                                          • MegaBondage
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Jul 2003
                                            • 101

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                            Yes your still an idiot and I do not have time to debate why you are so fucking wrong.

                                            I posted the law about it, if you know more then the law and choose to ignore it, then you should not be selling content.

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                                            • AaronM
                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 46917

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                              A pimary producer has to give a secondary producer UNEDITED copies. All that blacked out crap won't fly. It's in the regs.

                                              No shit Sherlock. Do you think I am going to post unedited info on GFY?

                                              You have been posting some really stupid shit lately. Try thinking then posting.

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                                              • After Shock Media
                                                It's coming look busy
                                                • Mar 2001
                                                • 35299

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                I posted the law about it, if you know more then the law and choose to ignore it, then you should not be selling content.
                                                Damn boy, when did I even say I was selling content?
                                                Next that law link you posted has zero to do with the current regs.

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                                                • MegaBondage
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                  • 101

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                  That link has fuck all to do with what the DOJ just released.

                                                  Look in the new 2257 regs, that is the legal definition of "Acceptable Identifying Records"

                                                  You'll see the link for it on the 2257 page.

                                                  It says

                                                  "...required to produce acceptable identifying records as pursuant to § 1028 ..."



                                                  Read it Aaron, just for once, shut your pie hole, pretend you don't know it all, and read it.

                                                  It's in black and white, page shows as updated within the last 2 weeks.


                                                  Maybe the people that copied it verbatim know more about it then you do?

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                                                  • MegaBondage
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 101

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                    Damn boy, when did I even say I was selling content?
                                                    Next that law link you posted has zero to do with the current regs.
                                                    Actually it does, just your not into content so you dont follow shit.

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                                                    • AaronM
                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46917

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                      Next that law link you posted has zero to do with the current regs.
                                                      Exactly. I have a feeling that he's just trolling.

                                                      I'm done with him now.

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                                                      • After Shock Media
                                                        It's coming look busy
                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                        • 35299

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                        Look in the new 2257 regs, that is the legal definition of "Acceptable Identifying Records"
                                                        You'll see the link for it on the 2257 page.
                                                        It says
                                                        "...required to produce acceptable identifying records as pursuant to § 1028 ..."
                                                        Read it Aaron, just for once, shut your pie hole, pretend you don't know it all, and read it.
                                                        It's in black and white, page shows as updated within the last 2 weeks.
                                                        Maybe the people that copied it verbatim know more about it then you do?
                                                        I really think a village is missing their idiot right now.

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                                                        • Oberon
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 190

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                          A pimary producer has to give a secondary producer UNEDITED copies. All that blacked out crap won't fly. It's in the regs.

                                                          You are exactly right.

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                                                          • MegaBondage
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 101

                                                            #30
                                                            (h) As used in this section?
                                                            (1) the term ?actual sexually explicit conduct? means actual but not simulated conduct as defined in subparagraphs (A) through (D) of paragraph (2) of section 2256 of this title;

                                                            --->

                                                            (2) ?identification document? has the meaning given that term in section 1028 (d) of this title;



                                                            (3) the term ?produces? means to produce, manufacture, or publish any book, magazine, periodical, film, video tape or other similar matter and includes the duplication, reproduction, or reissuing of any such matter, but does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted; and
                                                            (4) the term ?performer? includes any person portrayed in a visual depiction engaging in, or assisting another person to engage in, actual sexually explicit conduct.

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                                                            • MegaBondage
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 101

                                                              #31
                                                              There is it Aaron, so now tell me that section 1028 doesnt mean shit to 2257.

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                                                              • After Shock Media
                                                                It's coming look busy
                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                • 35299

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                                Actually it does, just your not into content so you dont follow shit.
                                                                I am into content, I just do not sell it to others. I happen to follow this shit very closely. Now may I suggest you do the same.

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                                                                • MegaBondage
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                  • 101

                                                                  #33
                                                                  <-- has sold content for over 53 different photographers since 1996, what have you done.

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                                                                  • GatorB
                                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 18208

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                    No shit Sherlock. Do you think I am going to post unedited info on GFY?

                                                                    You have been posting some really stupid shit lately. Try thinking then posting.

                                                                    fuck off dude. You CLEARLY state in a post that someone should only give a secondary producer only PART of the info and then you post a pic that has shit backed out. WTF is someone supposed to think you are saying? I'm surprised ANYONE does business with you with you "I know everything and if you disagree with me you're a moron" attitude. Fuck off buddy. WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU TO COMMENT ON ANYONE?

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                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 35299

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                                      <-- has sold content for over 53 different photographers since 1996, what have you done.
                                                                      Besides proving your an idiot, I do not need to post my resume.

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                                                                      • foolio
                                                                        ICQ: 178725656
                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 12366

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                        A pimary producer has to give a secondary producer UNEDITED copies. All that blacked out crap won't fly. It's in the regs.


                                                                        yer smert!

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                                                                        • After Shock Media
                                                                          It's coming look busy
                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                          • 35299

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                          fuck off dude. You CLEARLY state in a post that someone should only give a secondary producer only PART of the info and then you post a pic that has shit backed out. WTF is someone supposed to think you are saying? I'm surprised ANYONE does business with you with you "I know everything and if you disagree with me you're a moron" attitude. Fuck off buddy. WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU TO COMMENT ON ANYONE?
                                                                          Gator, I understood what he was doing and meant.

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                                                                          • MegaBondage
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 101

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                                            Besides proving your an idiot, I do not need to post my resume.

                                                                            Okay Henry, your "resume" is one page , one domain, using a plugin sex movie store.


                                                                            Nuff said, your a no one.

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                                                                            • After Shock Media
                                                                              It's coming look busy
                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                              • 35299

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                                              Okay Henry, your "resume" is one page , one domain, using a plugin sex movie store.


                                                                              Nuff said, your a no one.
                                                                              Keep up your ignorance it suits you well.

                                                                              BTW you will not get far with checking where my sig is hosted at sherlock. Henry is just a partner of mine and that was a decent place to host my sig.
                                                                              Last edited by After Shock Media; 05-25-2005, 07:01 PM.

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                                                                              • GatorB
                                                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                • 18208

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                                                Nuff said, your a no one.
                                                                                Ummmm.......errrr. nevermind.

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                                                                                • MegaBondage
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                  • 101

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  2257 section states new definitions of acceptable identification , citing section 1028 as the legal definition of acceptable identification for record keeping.

                                                                                  Choose to ignore it Aaron, doesnt matter to me. Might want to read it though.

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                                                                                  • GatorB
                                                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                    • 18208

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                                                    Gator, I understood what he was doing and meant.

                                                                                    fine he just hates me for whatever reason. I could say the sky is blue and he'd call me a moron and come up with some dipshit reason why it's not blue but purple with yellow polk-dots just to be disagreeable.

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                                                                                    • MegaBondage
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                      • 101

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                                                      Keep up your ignorance it suits you well.

                                                                                      BTW you will not get far with checking where my sig is hosted at sherlock. Henry is just a partner of mine and that was a decent place to host my sig.

                                                                                      Been here since 3 days after this board was made, have 45 usernames now, and though people hate me, no one can deny that in 2002 I had more adult content then anyone else on the internet, almost 2 million images and 600 hours of movies.

                                                                                      Don't talk 2257 to me, you have no idea.





                                                                                      Aaron, man, just read the shit. I didnt write it. Its the law. You want to profess to being the 2257 god, then read it and know it by heart.

                                                                                      Fuck even on Walter's site he says 2 forms of id and he's your buddy, you think he's lying to ya?

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                                                                                      • After Shock Media
                                                                                        It's coming look busy
                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                        • 35299

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                        Ummmm.......errrr. nevermind.
                                                                                        Shh.. the people at evil angel, west coast, equisite and a few others also think I am a no one.

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                                                                                        • Turboface
                                                                                          Back in Black
                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                          • 9976

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                                          MegaBondage = David Stodghill.

                                                                                          http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=472422

                                                                                          He's got big ones for starting another 2257 thread after all the content he 'resold' to people over the last couple years.


                                                                                          How ironic is it that David has questions about being sued over content?



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                                                                                          • MegaBondage
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 101

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            heh I worked for Caballero and ClubLove get the fuck out of town man. You are lost. Nuff said. Simpsons are on.

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                                                                                            • MegaBondage
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 101

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                                              How ironic is it that David has questions about being sued over content?




                                                                                              It wasn't over any content, it was over a perl script and anyone that reads it can see it.

                                                                                              Want to post something new?

                                                                                              You can post defunct court orders I dont mind.

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                                                                                              • After Shock Media
                                                                                                It's coming look busy
                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                • 35299

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by MegaBondage
                                                                                                Been here since 3 days after this board was made, have 45 usernames now, and though people hate me, no one can deny that in 2002 I had more adult content then anyone else on the internet, almost 2 million images and 600 hours of movies.

                                                                                                Don't talk 2257 to me, you have no idea.
                                                                                                Aaron, man, just read the shit. I didnt write it. Its the law. You want to profess to being the 2257 god, then read it and know it by heart.
                                                                                                Fuck even on Walter's site he says 2 forms of id and he's your buddy, you think he's lying to ya?
                                                                                                Good for you, so you also saw lensmans invite over at mayors board.
                                                                                                Time in this industry means jack shit though. I can easily find sites that have been up since 96 or earlier that are still not compliant with the old regs. Amount of content shot also means jack shit if you did not understand the regs to begin with.

                                                                                                Though one thing is very clear to me, you just admitted to having 45 usernames here which make it very understandable that you do not understand nor follow rules.

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                                                                                                • MegaBondage
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                  • 101

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Hell I'll post Jenna Jameson's 2257 and picture id if it makes you hot for a few minutes.
                                                                                                  Got her address and telephone number.










                                                                                                  But just think, if you bought her content, you'd get it now according to the new 2257 laws.

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                                                                                                  • MegaBondage
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                    • 101

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                                                                    Good for you, so you also saw lensmans invite over at mayors board.
                                                                                                    Time in this industry means jack shit though. I can easily find sites that have been up since 96 or earlier that are still not compliant with the old regs. Amount of content shot also means jack shit if you did not understand the regs to begin with.

                                                                                                    Though one thing is very clear to me, you just admitted to having 45 usernames here which make it very understandable that you do not understand nor follow rules.

                                                                                                    Yes and about 6 of every shirt and gift that adult.com gives away.

                                                                                                    Not ONE person on here only has 1 nic. Not one. I think Juicy admitting having close to 30.

                                                                                                    What next Henry.

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