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  • jojojo
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Mar 2002
    • 2318

    #1

    Paysite Owners: Are you losing your best surfers to affiliates?

    If your paysite is not coming up in google and yahoo in AT LEAST the top 10 results for "paysitename" "paysite name" and "paysitename.com" you are letting your affiliates take some of the best sales you can get.

    Very popular paysites can lose 10-30 sales per day.

    If you are experiencing this problem I can help you fix it

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  • CumSensei
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    • Jan 2001
    • 3986

    #2
    We deserve that!
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    • polish_aristocrat
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2002
      • 40377

      #3
      affiliates are just smart, props to them
      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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      • CumSensei
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2001
        • 3986

        #4
        Haha I was thinking the same thing.
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        • jojojo
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Mar 2002
          • 2318

          #5
          Originally posted by CumSensei
          We deserve that!
          I've talked to paysite owners before that feel if you go out of your way to try and get ranked for the name of their site that you are stealing their traffic. That you are going after their brand.
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          • CumSensei
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2001
            • 3986

            #6
            Fuck that they should be happy we bring them traffic.
            Not our fault we work harder then they do ;)
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            • jojojo
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Mar 2002
              • 2318

              #7
              Originally posted by CumSensei
              Fuck that they should be happy we bring them traffic.
              Not our fault we work harder then they do ;)
              A lot of paysites are naturally ranked top 10... but if someone comes along and uses seo to get an affiliate page above them then they are taking from the paysite's searches and forcing them to spend time and money to prevent this.
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              • CumSensei
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2001
                • 3986

                #8
                I dont see the problem if they still promote the site itself. Good for them if they manage to get a high ranking I say.
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                • xlogger
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 9507

                  #9
                  Would suck if a competator gets #1 for "paysite1" and use it to promote there own site.

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                  • jojojo
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 2318

                    #10
                    Originally posted by xlogger
                    Would suck if a competator gets #1 for "paysite1" and use it to promote there own site.
                    It happens.... people also target high traffic free sites like tgps and mgps in this same fashion.

                    I'm not saying I agree with either side of the arguement - I'm just saying to paysite owners its fixable and I can help them do it.

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                    • RAM
                      They're all hookers, but mom!
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 7047

                      #11
                      see post please

                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=471428
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                      • CumSensei
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                        • Jan 2001
                        • 3986

                        #12
                        And you do this for free ofcourse?
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                        • xlogger
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 9507

                          #13
                          Look at this asshole.

                          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...us&btnG=Search

                          #2 http://www.itebooks.net/Bangbus/

                          Spamming SE and his site have 0 links to a porn site and the main page leads to yahoo.com. He is making $ from the google ads it seems.

                          One link he has is to his "Home Loan Guide" (http://www.998guide.com/) all the way in the bottom of that site.

                          What a waste.

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                          • xlogger
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 9507

                            #14
                            This bitch is creazy, look at all these doorway pages, damn. I cant believe he is not banned.

                            http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N
                            http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N

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                            • bringer
                              i have man boobies
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 13082

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jojojo
                              A lot of paysites are naturally ranked top 10... but if someone comes along and uses seo to get an affiliate page above them then they are taking from the paysite's searches and forcing them to spend time and money to prevent this.
                              spend time and money to what? hire you?
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                              • chadglni
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 6924

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jojojo
                                I've talked to paysite owners before that feel if you go out of your way to try and get ranked for the name of their site that you are stealing their traffic. That you are going after their brand.
                                Those paysite owners are retarded. They could also make extra money by getting all of the typos to their domains but they don't. Most of them are happy to take that traffic from their affiliates. I really doubt a decent program wants to compete with the seo guys busting their balls for those top spots because those same guys send them hundreds or thousands of sales through other search terms as well.


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                                • Fake Nick
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jul 2004
                                  • 7708

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by chadglni
                                  Those paysite owners are retarded. They could also make extra money by getting all of the typos to their domains but they don't. Most of them are happy to take that traffic from their affiliates. I really doubt a decent program wants to compete with the seo guys busting their balls for those top spots because those same guys send them hundreds or thousands of sales through other search terms as well.


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                                  • Rui
                                    web
                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 9533

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jojojo
                                    I've talked to paysite owners before that feel if you go out of your way to try and get ranked for the name of their site that you are stealing their traffic. That you are going after their brand.
                                    STFU.... lol

                                    Shit the newest board whore that promises top10 spots in SE's is the solution for this .....rigth

                                    fucking trolls

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                                    • Rui
                                      web
                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 9533

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by xlogger
                                      This bitch is creazy, look at all these doorway pages, damn. I cant believe he is not banned.

                                      http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N
                                      http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N
                                      0 showing up here

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                                      • chadglni
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 6924

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by xlogger
                                        This bitch is creazy, look at all these doorway pages, damn. I cant believe he is not banned.

                                        http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N
                                        http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...start=990&sa=N
                                        At the bottom of his pages: All Rights Reserved


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                                        • chadglni
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 6924

                                          #21
                                          How much do you get paid to display public service ads? lol

                                          http://www.itebooks.net/Bangbus/bang-bus-carolyn/


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                                          • xlogger
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 9507

                                            #22


                                            I guess you cant link directly to the 100th page. Here is the 1st page.

                                            http://www.google.com/search?q=site:itebooks.net

                                            btw the ads work on other pages;

                                            http://www.itebooks.net/Buyingahouse...ed-home-plano/

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                                            • pr0
                                              rockin tha trailerpark
                                              • May 2001
                                              • 23088

                                              #23
                                              I charge $500, i track down the people taking your listing, i take a shit on their front porch, deface their mailbox, crack their windshield & pee on their seats/dashboard.

                                              I then leave a note kindly asking them to htaccess their pages to your main page.
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                                              • CumSensei
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                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 3986

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pr0
                                                I charge $500, i track down the people taking your listing, i take a shit on their front porch, deface their mailbox, crack their windshield & pee on their seats/dashboard.

                                                I then leave a note kindly asking them to htaccess their pages to your main page.
                                                I will hire you!
                                                CumSensei say: SEO traffic makes big boom boom.

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                                                • CDSmith
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 51460

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by pr0
                                                  I charge $500, i track down the people taking your listing, i take a shit on their front porch, deface their mailbox, crack their windshield & pee on their seats/dashboard.

                                                  I then leave a note kindly asking them to htaccess their pages to your main page.
                                                  Shit that's half of what this jojojo character charges! :D

                                                  Paysite owners, go with a pr0.
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                                                  • jojojo
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                    • 2318

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Rui
                                                    STFU.... lol

                                                    Shit the newest board whore that promises top10 spots in SE's is the solution for this .....rigth

                                                    fucking trolls
                                                    wow you got issues but yes I am the solution to this problem - I have solved this problem for most of triplexcash.com's paysites and the owner Kevin is quite happy about it

                                                    There is a reason these spammers and review sites try so hard to get these terms.... the traffic converts and retains very good. Even a small paysite is losing DAILY SALES.
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                                                    • Robertf
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                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                      • 392

                                                      #27
                                                      Hmm pay-site owners startin ga affiliate program .. becayse THEY DON'T know or want to do teh marketing for their site ... and then complain if the affiliates do their marketing job as it should be ?
                                                      ....

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                                                      • Manowar
                                                        jellyfish  
                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                        • 71528

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Rui
                                                        STFU.... lol

                                                        Shit the newest board whore that promises top10 spots in SE's is the solution for this .....rigth

                                                        fucking trolls

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                                                        • chadglni
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 6924

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Robertf
                                                          Hmm pay-site owners startin ga affiliate program .. becayse THEY DON'T know or want to do teh marketing for their site ... and then complain if the affiliates do their marketing job as it should be ?
                                                          Not to mention all the money they are missing out on by not exchanging links, posting to TGPs, running review sites, running free sites, operating AVS sites that upsell them, and on and on and on. I'll show them how to do it for $2,000,000,000.


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                                                          • jojojo
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                            • 2318

                                                            #30
                                                            This is not a difficult problem to fix and the amount of money they are losing from this traffic source is HUGE.

                                                            I don't expect paysite owners to do everything you listed above - yes its great to have affiliates but why let them take some of your best traffic?

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                                                            • V_RocKs
                                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                              • 32451

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jojojo
                                                              wow you got issues but yes I am the solution to this problem - I have solved this problem for most of triplexcash.com's paysites and the owner Kevin is quite happy about it

                                                              There is a reason these spammers and review sites try so hard to get these terms.... the traffic converts and retains very good. Even a small paysite is losing DAILY SALES.
                                                              Good ole' MJ... hows it going... just realized who you are.

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                                                              • wtfent
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                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                • 3790

                                                                #32
                                                                I have no problem with my affiliates doing that. I like them to get sales. It motivates them to bring in more.
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                                                                • JoeA
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                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 568

                                                                  #33
                                                                  So by finding one of my sites under your system: "paysitename" "paysite name" and "paysitename.com" listed at 1 & 2, plus other sites of mine that promote this one particular site all over the top 20, does that mean I'm doing well ?

                                                                  I even found some of my posts from here listed on one of these searches.. LOL

                                                                  I thought the idea was to be in the top 20 of a search that doesn't mention the sites name to be a success.
                                                                  www.saharagetsdirty.com/
                                                                  www.ravishingindians.com/
                                                                  www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

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                                                                  • Brujah
                                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 22157

                                                                    #34
                                                                    paysite owners, go with jojo's plan and get rid of all the affiliates buying typo domain names and working search engines hard to make you money, help brand your site better than you ever could, and send you multiples of traffic that you'd never have received otherwise.

                                                                    your competitors will love you for it.

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                                                                    • bringer
                                                                      i have man boobies
                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                      • 13082

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jojojo
                                                                      wow you got issues but yes I am the solution to this problem - I have solved this problem for most of triplexcash.com's paysites and the owner Kevin is quite happy about it

                                                                      There is a reason these spammers and review sites try so hard to get these terms.... the traffic converts and retains very good. Even a small paysite is losing DAILY SALES.
                                                                      they only thing they're losing is the % they are paying the hard working affiliates who promote their sites. what a joke
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                                                                      • jojojo
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                        • 2318

                                                                        #36
                                                                        lol everyone here is missing the point.

                                                                        Your paysite should come up at the top for the name of your paysite etc... if you are coming up for generic search terms then you are doing great. I know of paysites that are like this.

                                                                        We aren't talking about people who promote your paysite to their search engine traffic.... if an affilaite has the top spot for sex movies and is promoting your site great...

                                                                        I am talking about the se spammers and review sites that purposely target the name of your site in hopes to appear above you for that term and get that traffic.

                                                                        If you do some seo work on your paysite so that it comes up at the top of the search engines for the name of your paysite you will stop losing thousands of dollars and you won't lose any affiliates either. If an affiliate stop promoting you because you are on top of them then clearly the only sales they are sending to you were coming from being listed above you anyways.

                                                                        Also... if these guys are on the 1st page (top 10) at all even if you are #1 spot - they will still be making sales.

                                                                        I am not trying to say that affiliates are stealing your traffic and they have no right to (though paysite owners have said this to me before) - I'm trying to say that paysites don't need to be giving away this money to their affiliates. It makes more sense to their bottom line to get the traffic directly.
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                                                                        • Fake Nick
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                          • 7708

                                                                          #37
                                                                          a large dutch program owner once told me the key to HIS succes was NOT to compete with his affiliates and just make the porn , make the sites, and let the affiliates do the rest ,


                                                                          this program I am talking about is like ten times larger than any of your bullshit ccbill sites

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                                                                          • XPays
                                                                            Team Player
                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                            • 13002

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Webmasters make the world go 'round!!!

                                                                            Nice seo spam spin though and I have not seen huge volume on your accounts with us but we did see you getting some real placements - so, jojo is probably not full of shit and this is really a service that one would only need in a worst case scenario. (if you are the jojo i am thinking of btw)

                                                                            That being said:

                                                                            Webmasters make the world go 'round!!! We would not harm our own affiliates in the way you have proposed.
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                                                                            • swami
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                                                                              • Aug 2003
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              This is a dirty point with me.Its very easy to stop the affiliate showing up for the paysite name but If I see that happening with my sponsors I remove traffic and they lose big time in the end because it stops them getting traffic for all other kws in the serachengines.Take for example cumfiesta.There the paysite plus an aff show for the first two.No problems.Actually all the affiliate links help the paysite come first for its name.Take away the aff links and it wont rank for its own name.
                                                                              Now serch for cum and cum girls or cum fiesta or even amateur girls.You will see the affiliate link right up there thus bringing a lot more traffic to the site than it would for its own name.Now JOJO may be trying to make a quick buck lately, in fact he sounds desparate, but if paysite owners try to stop affiliates from what they do best and that is promote your site then you are going to fuck yourself right up.
                                                                              In fact you should help the aff by optimising your site for the search engine and not try to redirect their links to you

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                                                                              • XPays
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                                                                                • May 2004
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by swami
                                                                                This is a dirty point with me.Its very easy to stop the affiliate showing up for the paysite name but If I see that happening with my sponsors I remove traffic and they lose big time in the end because it stops them getting traffic for all other kws in the serachengines.Take for example cumfiesta.There the paysite plus an aff show for the first two.No problems.Actually all the affiliate links help the paysite come first for its name.Take away the aff links and it wont rank for its own name.
                                                                                Now serch for cum and cum girls or cum fiesta or even amateur girls.You will see the affiliate link right up there thus bringing a lot more traffic to the site than it would for its own name.Now JOJO may be trying to make a quick buck lately, in fact he sounds desparate, but if paysite owners try to stop affiliates from what they do best and that is promote your site then you are going to fuck yourself right up.
                                                                                In fact you should help the aff by optimising your site for the search engine and not try to redirect their links to you

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                                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
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                                                                                  #41

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                                                                                  • jojojo
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                    • 2318

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    LOL

                                                                                    I guess all the paysite owners contacting me on ICQ feel differently lol.

                                                                                    Xpays: I don't promote you - you must be confusing me with someone else.

                                                                                    I don't blame you affiliates for trying to put up such a big stink but the reality is if you got bumped to #2 you wouldn't pull your links and you are full of shit to say otherwise IMO.

                                                                                    Paysite owners will add more to their bottom line by getting this traffic.
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                                                                                    • XPays
                                                                                      Team Player
                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 13002

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by jojojo
                                                                                      LOL

                                                                                      I guess all the paysite owners contacting me on ICQ feel differently lol.

                                                                                      Xpays: I don't promote you - you must be confusing me with someone else.

                                                                                      I don't blame you affiliates for trying to put up such a big stink but the reality is if you got bumped to #2 you wouldn't pull your links and you are full of shit to say otherwise IMO.

                                                                                      Paysite owners will add more to their bottom line by getting this traffic.
                                                                                      i noticed after you are vancouver. the other jojo is elsewhere- but yes I think that in a minority of cases you could do a real service but in the majority of cases it could turn out to be a bad move.
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                                                                                      • jojojo
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                        • 2318

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        i noticed after you are vancouver. the other jojo is elsewhere- but yes I think that in a minority of cases you could do a real service but in the majority of cases it could turn out to be a bad move.
                                                                                        Well I certainly don't expect to get any new paysite clients that post in this thread... and clearly you are using this thread as an attempt to further your image in the eyes of affiliates of how great you are
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                                                                                        • radical
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                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                          • 2876

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by jojojo
                                                                                          LOL

                                                                                          I guess all the paysite owners contacting me on ICQ feel differently lol.

                                                                                          Xpays: I don't promote you - you must be confusing me with someone else.

                                                                                          I don't blame you affiliates for trying to put up such a big stink but the reality is if you got bumped to #2 you wouldn't pull your links and you are full of shit to say otherwise IMO.

                                                                                          Paysite owners will add more to their bottom line by getting this traffic.
                                                                                          Basically all paysite owners have to do really is read a little and apply!




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                                                                                          • radical
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 2876

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by swami
                                                                                            This is a dirty point with me.Its very easy to stop the affiliate showing up for the paysite name but If I see that happening with my sponsors I remove traffic and they lose big time in the end because it stops them getting traffic for all other kws in the serachengines.Take for example cumfiesta.There the paysite plus an aff show for the first two.No problems.Actually all the affiliate links help the paysite come first for its name.Take away the aff links and it wont rank for its own name.
                                                                                            Now serch for cum and cum girls or cum fiesta or even amateur girls.You will see the affiliate link right up there thus bringing a lot more traffic to the site than it would for its own name.Now JOJO may be trying to make a quick buck lately, in fact he sounds desparate, but if paysite owners try to stop affiliates from what they do best and that is promote your site then you are going to fuck yourself right up.
                                                                                            In fact you should help the aff by optimising your site for the search engine and not try to redirect their links to you

                                                                                            Good work on your links swami and yep good points!!

                                                                                            When you talk about DMOZ in your sig, boy oh boy I've being trying to get them to start a new category, man need a few beers for that one!




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                                                                                            • swami
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                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                              • 1989

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I don't mind competing with the paysite with legitimate seo,especially if you are doing the seo.;)
                                                                                              But if you are talking about doing a mod rewrite to make se's think all aff links are to return to the root domain thats another matter and fraud.But if they want to compete on a level field , thats fine

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                                                                                              • XPays
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                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                • 13002

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by jojojo
                                                                                                Well I certainly don't expect to get any new paysite clients that post in this thread... and clearly you are using this thread as an attempt to further your image in the eyes of affiliates of how great you are
                                                                                                do not post your offer unless you are prepared for feedback and opinions. you can call around all day without exposing yourself to the other side of the coin.

                                                                                                not only that, but i did say that in a minority of cases your service could be useful, which is an admission that you have more than zero value to the board.

                                                                                                so, i did not invent my comments for any purpose that is irrelevant to the thread you are spamming here and XPays.com is a "great" program imho.

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                                                                                                • tranza
                                                                                                  ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                  affiliates are just smart, props to them
                                                                                                  I second that.
                                                                                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                  • radical
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                    • 2876

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by XPays
                                                                                                    do not post your offer unless you are prepared for feedback and opinions. you can call around all day without exposing yourself to the other side of the coin.

                                                                                                    not only that, but i did say that in a minority of cases your service could be useful, which is an admission that you have more than zero value to the board.

                                                                                                    so, i did not invent my comments for any purpose that is irrelevant to the thread you are spamming here and XPays.com is a "great" program imho.

                                                                                                    And now for the kicker- seo's who can, do. and seo's who can't........

                                                                                                    Xpays was one of the first sponsors I joined when I came into adult and el pres was kicking my ass to build a hub hehehehehe




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