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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449

    #1

    New 2257 regs published (link here)

    http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...5/05-10107.htm

    Since European Lee had to spam his board with his post I found the direct link to the new regs for you.
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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449

    #2
    Damn....it's 16 pages worth of very small print.

    I'm gonna be reading for awhile
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    • Snake Doctor
      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
      • Mar 2001
      • 13449

      #3
      Here's a link to the PDF file....much easier to print
      http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...f/05-10107.pdf
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      • goBigtime
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2002
        • 7761

        #4
        from what I could see...

        google cache (and the like) is now exempt.

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        • BRISK
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Feb 2003
          • 12240

          #5
          I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
          I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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          • basschick
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2001
            • 2540

            #6
            long, but interesting. the comment i sent was listed - weird!
            Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

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            • R J
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2003
              • 202

              #7
              here's the HTML link

              little easier to read

              R.J.
              -----------
              ICQ#147-366-451

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              • swedguy
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 7981

                #8
                Five commenters commented that the proposed rule would hurt U.S. businesses and remove money from the U.S. economy by driving the pornography industry to other countries. In addition, these commenters claimed, most sexually
                explicit web sites are, in any event, already located in other countries and the rule would be ineffective in regulating them.


                .....

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                • swedguy
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 7981

                  #9
                  (f) Internet means collectively the myriad of computer and telecommunications facilities, including equipment and operating software, which constitute the interconnected world-wide network of networks that employ the Transmission Control
                  Protocol/Internet Protocol, or any predecessor or successor protocols to such protocol, to communicate information of all kinds by wire or radio.
                  Not important, but they missed laser

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                  • Nightwind
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2005
                    • 4786

                    #10
                    Can someone who is going to read the whole thing, summarize the what you can and can't do's? I doubt i'm the only one who doesn't have time to read it.

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                    • Babaganoosh
                      ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 15841

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nightwind
                      Can someone who is going to read the whole thing, summarize the what you can and can't do's? I doubt i'm the only one who doesn't have time to read it.
                      You're in the business and you don't "have time" to read it?
                      I like pie.

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                      • bringer
                        i have man boobies
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 13082

                        #12
                        lenny, we need to chat
                        icq# 333-765-551
                        333-765-551

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                        • The Other Steve
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 2106

                          #13
                          If you don't have time to read something as important as this then you shouldn't be here doing business.
                          Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

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                          • swedguy
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 7981

                            #14
                            Alright, here's the important parts:

                            § 75.2 Maintenance of records.

                            (a) Any producer of any book,
                            magazine, periodical, film, videotape,
                            digitally- or computer-manipulated
                            image, digital image, picture, or other
                            matter that contains a depiction of an
                            actual human being engaged in actual
                            sexually explicit conduct that is
                            produced in whole or in part with
                            materials that have been mailed or
                            shipped in interstate or foreign
                            commerce, or is shipped or transported
                            or is intended for shipment or
                            transportation in interstate or foreign
                            commerce and that contains one or
                            more visual depictions of an actual
                            human being engaged in actual sexually
                            explicit conduct made after July 3, 1995
                            shall, for each performer portrayed in
                            such visual depiction, create and
                            maintain records containing the
                            following:
                            (1) The legal name and date of birth
                            of each performer, obtained by the
                            producer?s examination of a picture
                            identification card. For any performer
                            portrayed in such a depiction made after
                            July 3, 1995, the records shall also
                            include a legible copy of the
                            identification document examined and,
                            if that document does not contain a
                            recent and recognizable picture of the
                            performer, a legible copy of a picture
                            identification card. For any performer
                            portrayed in such a depiction after June
                            23, 2005, the records shall include
                            (i) A copy of the depiction, and
                            (ii) Where the depiction is published
                            on an Internet computer site or service,
                            a copy of any URL associated with the
                            depiction or, if no URL is associated
                            with the depiction, another uniquely
                            identifying reference associated with the
                            location of the depiction on the Internet.
                            (2) Any name, other than each
                            performer?s legal name, ever used by the
                            performer, including the performer?s
                            maiden name, alias, nickname, stage
                            name, or professional name. For any
                            performer portrayed in such a depiction
                            made after July 3, 1995, such names
                            shall be indexed by the title or
                            identifying number of the book,
                            magazine, film, videotape, digitally- or
                            computer-manipulated image, digital
                            image, picture, URL, or other matter.
                            Producers may rely in good faith on
                            representations by performers regarding
                            accuracy of the names, other than legal
                            names, used by performers.
                            (3) Records required to be created and
                            maintained under this part shall be
                            organized alphabetically, or numerically
                            where appropriate, by the legal name of
                            the performer (by last or family name,
                            then first or given name), and shall be
                            indexed or cross-referenced to each alias
                            or other name used and to each title or
                            identifying number of the book,
                            magazine, film, videotape, digitally- or
                            computer-manipulated image, digital
                            image, picture, URL, or other matter.
                            (b) A producer who is a secondary
                            producer as defined in § 75.1(c) may
                            satisfy the requirements of this part to
                            create and maintain records by
                            accepting from the primary producer, as
                            defined in § 75.1(c), copies of the
                            records described in paragraph (a) of
                            this section. Such a secondary producer
                            shall also keep records of the name and
                            address of the primary producer from
                            whom he received copies of the records.
                            (c) The information contained in the
                            records required to be created and
                            maintained by this part need be current
                            only as of the time the primary producer
                            actually films, videotapes, or
                            and at such places as specified in § 75.4.
                            For the purpose of this part, ??normal
                            business hours?? are from 9 a.m. to 5
                            p.m., local time, Monday through
                            Friday, or any other time during which
                            the producer is actually conducting
                            business relating to producing depiction
                            of actual sexually explicit conduct. To
                            the extent that the producer does not
                            maintain at least 20 normal business
                            hours per week, producers must provide
                            notice to the inspecting agency of the
                            hours during which records will be
                            available for inspection, which in no
                            case may be less than twenty (20) hours
                            per week.
                            (2) Upon commencing an inspection,
                            the investigator shall:
                            (i) Present his or her credentials to the
                            owner, operator, or agent in charge of
                            the establishment;
                            (ii) Explain the nature and purpose of
                            the inspection, including the limited
                            nature of the records inspection, and the
                            records required to be kept by the Act
                            and this part; and
                            (iii) Indicate the scope of the specific
                            inspection and the records that he or
                            she wishes to inspect.
                            (3) The inspections shall be
                            conducted so as not to unreasonably
                            disrupt the operations of the producer?s
                            establishment.
                            (4) At the conclusion of an inspection,
                            the investigator may informally advise
                            the producer of any apparent violations
                            disclosed by the inspection. The
                            producer may bring to the attention of
                            the investigator any pertinent
                            information regarding the records
                            inspected or any other relevant matter.
                            (d) Frequency of inspections. A
                            producer may be inspected once during
                            any four-month period, unless there is
                            a reasonable suspicion to believe that a
                            violation of this part has occurred, in
                            which case an additional inspection or
                            inspections may be conducted before
                            the four-month period has expired.
                            (e) Copies of records. An investigator
                            may copy, at no expense to the
                            producer, during the inspection, any
                            record that is subject to inspection.
                            (f) Other law enforcement authority.
                            These regulations do not restrict the
                            otherwise lawful investigative
                            prerogatives of an investigator while
                            conducting an inspection.
                            (g) Seizure of evidence.
                            Notwithstanding any provision of this
                            part or any other regulation, a law
                            enforcement officer may seize any
                            evidence of the commission of any
                            felony while conducting an inspection.


                            § 75.6 Statement describing location of books and records.

                            (a) Any producer of any book,
                            magazine, periodical, film, videotape,
                            (d) A computer site or service or Web
                            address containing a digitally- or
                            computer-manipulated image, digital
                            image, or picture, shall contain the
                            required statement on its homepage, any
                            known major entry points, or principal
                            URL (including the principal URL of a
                            subdomain), or in a separate window
                            that opens upon the viewer?s clicking a
                            hypertext link that states, ??18 U.S.C.
                            2257 Record-Keeping Requirements
                            Compliance Statement.??
                            (e) For all other categories not
                            otherwise mentioned in this section, the
                            statement is to be prominently
                            displayed consistent with the manner of
                            display required for the aforementioned
                            categories.

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                            • Nightwind
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2005
                              • 4786

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                              You're in the business and you don't "have time" to read it?
                              I live in Europe and i'm not exactly in the business yet. So it doesn't directly concern me, i am curious about it but not curious enough to read the whole thing.

                              Edit: Thanks swedguy
                              Last edited by Nightwind; 05-24-2005, 03:35 AM.

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                              • RAM
                                They're all hookers, but mom!
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 7047

                                #16
                                see post please
                                http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=471428
                                RAM



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                                • swedguy
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 7981

                                  #17
                                  Fuck this is going to be a HUGE pain in the ass if you crank out a shit load of sites a day.


                                  For any performer portrayed in such a depiction after June 23, 2005, the records shall include
                                  (ii) Where the depiction is published on an Internet computer site or service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction

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                                  • Nightwind
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2005
                                    • 4786

                                    #18
                                    What i'm interested is in how will this affect Thumb TGP's and other similar sites.

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                                    • swedguy
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 7981

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Nightwind
                                      What i'm interested is in how will this affect Thumb TGP's and other similar sites.
                                      http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...f/05-10107.pdf

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                                      • Sarah_Jayne
                                        Now with more Jayne
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 40077

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Nightwind
                                        Can someone who is going to read the whole thing, summarize the what you can and can't do's? I doubt i'm the only one who doesn't have time to read it.
                                        it doesn't matter if you are in Europe and if you aren't going to read it then don't get into the buisness

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                                        • swedguy
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 7981

                                          #21
                                          Ok this seems to be good news for everyone and especially sponsors:

                                          § 75.4 Location of records.

                                          Any producer required by this part to
                                          maintain records shall make such
                                          records available at the producer?s place
                                          of business.
                                          Each record shall be
                                          maintained for seven years from the
                                          date of creation or last amendment or
                                          addition. If the producer ceases to carry
                                          on the business, the records shall be
                                          maintained for five years thereafter. If
                                          the producer produces the book,
                                          magazine, periodical, film, videotape,
                                          digitally- or computer-manipulated
                                          image, digital image, or picture, or other
                                          matter (including but not limited to
                                          Internet computer site or services) as
                                          part of his control of or through his
                                          employment with an organization,
                                          records shall be made available at the
                                          organization?s place of business. If the
                                          organization is dissolved, the individual
                                          who was responsible for maintaining
                                          the records on behalf of the
                                          organization, as described in § 75.6(b),
                                          shall continue to maintain the records
                                          for a period of five years after
                                          dissolution.

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                                          • European Lee
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 7133

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by swedguy
                                            Fuck this is going to be a HUGE pain in the ass if you crank out a shit load of sites a day.
                                            Unless you build them 'dynamically'

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                                            Lee
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                                            • chadglni
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Dec 2002
                                              • 6924

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by swedguy
                                              Ok this seems to be good news for everyone and especially sponsors:

                                              Um, doesn't look like good news to me. It says ANY PRODUCER required to maintain records which includes secondary producers. Unless I read something wrong which could be the case this time of day.


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                                              • pr0
                                                rockin tha trailerpark
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 23088

                                                #24
                                                bullshit, every word of it, meant the curb the proliferation of all pornography on the internet period...it has no other purpose
                                                __________
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                                                • Tempest
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • May 2004
                                                  • 10217

                                                  #25
                                                  Let the injunctions begin!!!!!

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                                                  • swedguy
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 7981

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by European Lee
                                                    Unless you build them 'dynamically'

                                                    Regards,

                                                    Lee
                                                    Doesn't matter. It's still a unique URL.

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                                                    • swedguy
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 7981

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by chadglni
                                                      Um, doesn't look like good news to me. It says ANY PRODUCER required to maintain records which includes secondary producers. Unless I read something wrong which could be the case this time of day.
                                                      Oh crap, you're right. I missed the ANY part. Fuck!

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                                                      • chadglni
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                        • 6924

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by swedguy
                                                        Doesn't matter. It's still a unique URL.
                                                        This brings up the question, what about sites that build millions of pages dynamically. Impossible for them to record every url they show up on.


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                                                        • pr0
                                                          rockin tha trailerpark
                                                          • May 2001
                                                          • 23088

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by swedguy
                                                          Oh crap, you're right. I missed the ANY part. Fuck!

                                                          Do you think these law students who daddy got into public office would leave loopholes for pornographers?

                                                          Dude they sat up for 6 months in their aspen compound, sipping scotch, skiing & thinking of ways to fuck you over.
                                                          __________
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                                                          • swedguy
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                            • 7981

                                                            #30
                                                            Now this is real fun! We're all going to become desk jockeys

                                                            Fuck it, I'm not going to quote the whole thing. Read § 75.2(a)(2) and § 75.3


                                                            I think I'm going to buy a shit load of content before June 23

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                                                            • Nate-MM2
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 263

                                                              #31
                                                              Check http://www.fuck2257.com in the coming weeks as we have many exciting programs coming down the pipe geared towards affiliates (especially those cranking out lots of free sites and galleries.)

                                                              (and yes I know it's not resolving at the moment)

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                                                              • Nate-MM2
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                • 263

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                I think I'm going to buy a shit load of content before June 23
                                                                That won't make a difference. The date in question is the publishing date.

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                                                                • goBigtime
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                  • 7761

                                                                  #33
                                                                  "[The] FSC intends to test the validity of the new rules by filing multiple lawsuits, asking for a temporary restraining order and an injunction. By taking swift proactive steps, FSC hopes to protect its members from prosecution, while challenging the law as unconstitutional."

                                                                  http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/application.php
                                                                  Last edited by goBigtime; 05-24-2005, 04:10 AM.

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                                                                  • pr0
                                                                    rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 23088

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I just changed my sig.....anyone interested, feel free to hit me up tomorrow
                                                                    __________
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                                                                    • swedguy
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                      • 7981

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                      This brings up the question, what about sites that build millions of pages dynamically. Impossible for them to record every url they show up on.
                                                                      It's completely impossible.

                                                                      But they phrased it a little vague:

                                                                      "URL associated with the depiction"

                                                                      Is it the URL to the root of the domain?
                                                                      Is it the URL to the entrance page?
                                                                      Is it the URL to the picture?

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                                                                      • Tempest
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                        • 10217

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Section 75.7...
                                                                        I have some content... say 30 pics.. 20 of them aren't covered by the requirements because there's nothing sexually explicit about them.. 10 are.. So is the producer supplying me with all the info required for the record keeping just in case I use the 10 images, as well as a statement that pics 1-20 aren't covered by the requirements?

                                                                        I have plenty of sets already that are like that where I don't even use the explicit content. But I don't have any statements from any producer that says images x-y aren't covered by the record keeping requirements.

                                                                        Edit: yeah.. grandfather clause and all that..
                                                                        Last edited by Tempest; 05-24-2005, 04:17 AM.

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                                                                        • faxxaff
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 2134

                                                                          #37
                                                                          So secondary US producers like tgp webmasters need to keep complete records as well. Interesting!! Poor Americans!


                                                                          (b) A producer who is a secondary producer as defined in Sec.
                                                                          75.1(c) may satisfy the requirements of this part to create and
                                                                          maintain records by accepting from the primary producer, as defined in
                                                                          Sec. 75.1(c), copies of the records described in paragraph (a) of this
                                                                          section. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name
                                                                          and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the
                                                                          records.
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                                                                          • swedguy
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                            • 7981

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Nate-MM2
                                                                            That won't make a difference. The date in question is the publishing date.
                                                                            This is Gibberish when I'm awake and even more Gibberish after 2 days of no sleep

                                                                            You are right. I think that's what it says in § 75.2(a)(2). section (d)

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                                                                            • Nate-MM2
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 263

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                              Section 75.7...
                                                                              I have some content... say 30 pics.. 20 of them aren't covered by the requirements because there's nothing sexually explicit about them.. 10 are.. So is the producer supplying me with all the info required for the record keeping just in case I use the 10 images, as well as a statement that pics 1-20 aren't covered by the requirements?

                                                                              I have plenty of sets already that are like that where I don't even use the explicit content. But I don't have any statements from any producer that says images x-y aren't covered by the record keeping requirements.
                                                                              The record keeping information is per-model/per-set from the primary producer to the secondary producer. So you would get one set of records that would cover the entire set of 30 images regardless of whether some are explicit and some aren't.

                                                                              It is up to you as a secondary producer to keep the URL records for the individual explicit photos and cross-reference that with the records you received from your content provider.

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                                                                              • Tempest
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                • 10217

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by faxxaff
                                                                                So secondary US producers like tgp webmasters need to keep complete records as well. Interesting!! Poor Americans!


                                                                                (b) A producer who is a secondary producer as defined in Sec.
                                                                                75.1(c) may satisfy the requirements of this part to create and
                                                                                maintain records by accepting from the primary producer, as defined in
                                                                                Sec. 75.1(c), copies of the records described in paragraph (a) of this
                                                                                section. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name
                                                                                and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the
                                                                                records.
                                                                                If you count on content from your sponsor, then as a foreign WM you'll be affected as well..

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                                                                                • Nate-MM2
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 263

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                  If you count on content from your sponsor, then as a foreign WM you'll be affected as well..
                                                                                  I have yet to see any provision that would hold the sponsor liable for their affiliates not being compliant.

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                                                                                  • Nightwind
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                    • 4786

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    All i can say is this is really fucked up, i hope the FSC can come up with something.

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                                                                                    • faxxaff
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                      • 2134

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                      If you count on content from your sponsor, then as a foreign WM you'll be affected as well..
                                                                                      Why should a foreign webmaster comply with US rules? The US has no jurisdiction over him and the sponsor can not be made liable for the acting of another person.
                                                                                      Last edited by faxxaff; 05-24-2005, 04:24 AM.
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                                                                                      • Nate-MM2
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                        • 263

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Nightwind
                                                                                        All i can say is this is really fucked up, i hope the FSC can come up with something.
                                                                                        If they don't then I will.

                                                                                        fuck2257.com launches in the next 48 hours

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                                                                                        • chadglni
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                          • 6924

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Nate-MM2
                                                                                          If they don't then I will.

                                                                                          fuck2257.com launches in the next 48 hours
                                                                                          Everyone has a plan. Lets hear about your business model here eh?


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                                                                                          • Nate-MM2
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 263

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                            Everyone has a plan. Lets hear about your business model here eh?
                                                                                            We are still in discussions with local legal counsel.

                                                                                            We will post the information as soon as we have it.

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                                                                                            • ADL Colin
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                              • 11929

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Every industry is regulated. Take a look at the massive regulations which govern the securities markets with jail time and large fines for those that do not comply.

                                                                                              Roll up your sleeves and get to work.


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                                                                                              • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                                Now with more Jayne
                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                • 40077

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I found this bit interesting:

                                                                                                One commenter who supported the proposed rule stated that he
                                                                                                created a system to help webmasters comply with the rules and protect
                                                                                                the identity of individuals depicted in the images while allowing
                                                                                                verification by law enforcement.

                                                                                                The commenter stated that no webmasters took advantage of his system because, he said, they believe that there is an extremely remote possibility of being prosecuted for non-compliance and that the Sundance ruling protects them. The comment tends to demonstrate that the claim by industry groups that the rule is unconstitutionally burdensome is exaggerated. Nonetheless, the Department does not endorse this commenter's particular system as it has no means to determine whether the system actually works.

                                                                                                anyway..interesting to see they addressed something I wrote and said one person said it..find that hard to believe.

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                                                                                                • XxXotic
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
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                                                                                                    • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                    Some of the questions and comments in here are ridiculous.......did you think the justice department was going to write a brief on thumb tgp's versus text tgp's?

                                                                                                    Most of this stuff hasn't changed since the proposed regs came out 11 months ago.....if you're not familiar with them, then crawl back under your rock.

                                                                                                    A couple of things I did find interesting in their response to the comments

                                                                                                    One is that they keep saying that the D.C. court in American Library Ass'n V. Reno "implicitly accepted" the distinction between primary producers and secondary producers, and that the requirement that secondary producers maintain records was not a constitutionally impermissable burden.

                                                                                                    So they're basically dismissing Sundance V. Reno and saying that in their view the D.C. court's ruling in the other case is the "correct view of the law"

                                                                                                    Now I googled the hell out of American Library Ass'n V. Reno and all I found was the case about internet filtering software in libraries......I have no idea what this has to do with record keeping.

                                                                                                    Anyways...moving on

                                                                                                    From the response to comments "Any primary producer who fails to release the records to a secondary producer is simply in violation of the regulations and may not use the excuse that the records contain alleged trade secrets to avoid compliance"

                                                                                                    That will get interesting.

                                                                                                    And here's my favorite....in response to comments that primary producers should be allowed to "sanitize" identification documents by removing home addresses etc before passing the documents on to secondary producers, the Department declines to adopt this comment because it would be "overly burdensome" on primary producers.

                                                                                                    "Primary producers would be required to first sanitize the identification documents and then draft, sign, and pay for a notarized affidavit. It is simpler and less burdensome to have primary producers transfer a copy of the records to secondary producers"


                                                                                                    I'm laughing my ass of at this one......primary producers would LOVE to be able to sanitize the documents and get notarized affidavits to send to their customers.
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