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Anyone here have a product on commisionjunction cj.com

05-21-2005, 08:29 PM

Looking into it now. Does anyone have any experience with this?

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$2250 One-time fee for account setup and access.

"Annual Maintenance Fee $250
The annual maintenance fee includes the Commission Junction (CJ) membership renewal and the availability of all product features.

Deposit $3000
Non-refundable deposit used to pay publishers for qualified leads or sales and Commission Junction's transaction fees. Advertisers must maintain a minimum account balance at all times."

$5500 to get it started I would like to see some return
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05-21-2005, 08:59 PM

I'm a webmaster through CJ and I honestly don't like it. There's not many companies out there that offer a great payout. You're probably better off going through a different affiliate program aggregator. That's just my opinion though from a webmaster perspective.
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05-21-2005, 09:01 PM

Its been our experience that CJ is nothing more than overpriced hype.

They do have a lot of affiliates but, the costs in aquiring those affiliates simply arent warranted, you are paying for THEIR branding on YOUR site rather than sales from their affiliate base.

Save your money and go to http://www.darkblue.com instead, lower startup costs and youll see a much higher return from ther affiliate base

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05-21-2005, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by European Lee

Its been our experience that CJ is nothing more than overpriced hype.

They do have a lot of affiliates but, the costs in aquiring those affiliates simply arent warranted, you are paying for THEIR branding on YOUR site rather than sales from their affiliate base.

Save your money and go to http://www.darkblue.com instead, lower startup costs and youll see a much higher return from ther affiliate base

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Thank you for your input, Darkblue was on my list I will check go with them now.
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05-21-2005, 09:27 PM

Darkblue? take close look at the links when they do them. Compare linkshare and CJ. They both have huge webmaster bases.
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05-21-2005, 09:30 PM

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Darkblue? take close look at the links when they do them. Compare linkshare and CJ. They both have huge webmaster bases.

You are correct.

CJ does have a much larger affiliate base than DarkBlue does however, tapping in to that affiliate base costs alost 4 times as much as it does on DarkBlue initially, not including the extra shit you have to do in order to attract affiliates on CJ.

With DarkBlue, you pretty much join their program, drop your products in to their system, add their code to your site and affiliate start promoting you within hours... Not within weeks.

Its all about the ROI.

If you are going to drop $5k+ anywhere you want to start making that money back ASAP.

You drop $1k with DarkBlue and you start making it back within a couple of days.

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05-21-2005, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by European Lee

You are correct.

CJ does have a much larger affiliate base than DarkBlue does however, tapping in to that affiliate base costs alost 4 times as much as it does on DarkBlue initially, not including the extra shit you have to do in order to attract affiliates on CJ.

With DarkBlue, you pretty much join their program, drop your products in to their system, add their code to your site and affiliate start promoting you within hours... Not within weeks.

Its all about the ROI.

If you are going to drop $5k+ anywhere you want to start making that money back ASAP.

You drop $1k with DarkBlue and you start making it back within a couple of days.

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Lee do you think darkblue will get alot of darkblue affiliates pushing a new product ? Would 60% payouts to affiliates on a $39.95 sale be enough to attract some to push ?
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05-21-2005, 09:42 PM

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Lee do you think darkblue will get alot of darkblue affiliates pushing a new product ? Would 60% payouts to affiliates on a $39.95 sale be enough to attract some to push ?

IMHO it all depends on the product rather than the payout.

Mainstream business is a completely different ball game to adult business, for some weird reason they (publishers) arent as money grabbing as we are in adult.

For example, a few years ago we launched a new product in mainstream, we gave publishers $50 for a $75 sale, not many pushed the site.

We offered the same product on another network at $1 per sale and everyone pushed it LOL

Nothing changed, the site design was the same, the product was the same, the marketing was the same, but they opted for $1 per sale instead of $50, not that we minded as a company

Also, dont forget, non-adult doesnt really understand the value in the recurring business model, if that is what you are going to use id re-assess your business plan, they simply cant get their heads around the concept

You might do better, again, IMHO, offering a lower payout initially then raising it as you get more publishers pushing your product.

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05-21-2005, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by datatank

Lee do you think darkblue will get alot of darkblue affiliates pushing a new product ? Would 60% payouts to affiliates on a $39.95 sale be enough to attract some to push ?

I'd just call it $20 / sale. I've done some mainstream affiliate stuff and anything with percentages doesnt seem to do as well.. I think people think its MLM or something.

I used to have a mainstream hosting / design business back 3 years ago.. and I got way more affiliates offering a flat payout then I did when I tried to offer X% a month recurring.. which is funny because the flat payout I was offering was less then the percentage I was offering for 1 month. :D
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05-21-2005, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by European Lee

IMHO it all depends on the product rather than the payout.

Mainstream business is a completely different ball game to adult business, for some weird reason they (publishers) arent as money grabbing as we are in adult.

For example, a few years ago we launched a new product in mainstream, we gave publishers $50 for a $75 sale, not many pushed the site.

We offered the same product on another network at $1 per sale and everyone pushed it LOL

Nothing changed, the site design was the same, the product was the same, the marketing was the same, but they opted for $1 per sale instead of $50, not that we minded as a company

Also, dont forget, non-adult doesnt really understand the value in the recurring business model, if that is what you are going to use id re-assess your business plan, they simply cant get their heads around the concept

You might do better, again, IMHO, offering a lower payout initially then raising it as you get more publishers pushing your product.

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Thank you very much for your input. I was not planning on offering recurring for affiliates. I was planning on offering them about $23 on a $40 sale. I make lower that now

Can I ask price you put the product at when you paid $1 on the second network?
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05-21-2005, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by EviLGuY

I'd just call it $20 / sale. I've done some mainstream affiliate stuff and anything with percentages doesnt seem to do as well.. I think people think its MLM or something.

I used to have a mainstream hosting / design business back 3 years ago.. and I got way more affiliates offering a flat payout then I did when I tried to offer X% a month recurring.. which is funny because the flat payout I was offering was less then the percentage I was offering for 1 month. :D

Im sorry I was not clear when I said 60% I meant $23 flat.
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05-21-2005, 09:56 PM

Oh one more thing to add.. I agree with Lee about the mainstream affiliates being less greedy or something. I think its because the vast majority of websites out there are run by people as a hobby and its not something they are trying to pay the rent with.
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05-21-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by datatank

Thank you very much for your input. I was not planning on offering recurring for affiliates. I was planning on offering them about $23 on a $40 sale. I make lower that now

Can I ask price you put the product at when you paid $1 on the second network?

The same $75 product, thats why we didnt mind that they chose to promote it at $1 a sale rather than $50 a sale, higher profit margins for us ;)

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05-21-2005, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by EviLGuY

Oh one more thing to add.. I agree with Lee about the mainstream affiliates being less greedy or something. I think its because the vast majority of websites out there are run by people as a hobby and its not something they are trying to pay the rent with.

Im sure that has a lot to do with it.

That being said, we have worked with some of the larger publishers on the non-adult side of things (bringing in 10-50k a month) and they still didnt understand why they should promote higher priced products over the 1 and 2 buck products they were making money with lol

I honestly do think they have a completely different mentality alltogether than what we have in adult when it comes to making money online.

An example i used recently is PPC search aggregates, non-adult publishers tend to use adsense or somesuch other program that pays out cents on a click or impressions.

If they went to some of the other aggregates out there directly, they could be making dollars per click on the same traffic.

I honestly do think they prefer throwing links up to the first program they find rather than shopping around and looking for the best roi per click.

I dont know, i guess we're lucky in the fact we work both adult and non-adult so have experienced many facets of working online, the good and the bad whilst many non-adult publishers tend to stay away from the side of the web business where the real money can be made, recurring and PPS.

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05-21-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by European Lee

The same $75 product, thats why we didnt mind that they chose to promote it at $1 a sale rather than $50 a sale, higher profit margins for us ;)

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Wow thanks for the tip I know i am pushing my luck but do you have any other affiliate networks you can recommend?

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05-21-2005, 10:11 PM

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Wow thanks for the tip I know i am pushing my luck but do you have any other affiliate networks you can recommend?

I love gfy sometimes

DarkBlue is pretty much all we use / used.

We had some luck with ClickBank a year or two back but decided to get out of the application market as the boom in adult started for those types of products.

id stick with DB and concentrate on that one network, rather than spreading yourself to thinly

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05-21-2005, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by European Lee

If they went to some of the other aggregates out there directly, they could be making dollars per click on the same traffic.

Lee

Sorry to do it again but do you mind sharing the other aggregates ?
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05-21-2005, 10:14 PM

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Sorry to do it again but do you mind sharing the other aggregates ?

Just contact any of the larger PPC search engines directly you may be surprised at what they offer you if you can push volume traffic

Do not use Kanoodle or Overture though, even though it seems like they are offering you a good deal, they really arent.

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05-21-2005, 10:15 PM

This is turning into a very informative thread.
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05-21-2005, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by EviLGuY

This is turning into a very informative thread.

Dont worry the trolls will be in soon to ruin it

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05-21-2005, 10:18 PM

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This is turning into a very informative thread.

My thoughts exactly. Thank you Evil and Lee
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05-21-2005, 10:20 PM

Oh and one other peice of advice about PPC aggregates..

Dont used a percentage based business model with them. Go for a CPC model, even if you are hitting search terms worth $3-5.

By playing the numbers game, making $0.05 per click on a $0.10 bid link works out better than making 50% on a $10 bid link, more people will click on lower cost placements than high cost placements which will result in more $$$ for you.

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05-21-2005, 10:34 PM

Bump for datatank.

Good thread, yo!
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05-22-2005, 06:08 PM

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Bump for datatank.

Good thread, yo!

Thanks for the bump. Do you have any exerience with any networks you woud like to share? ;)
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05-22-2005, 06:19 PM

Thanx a lot for that great thread bro..
Btw, is that Paris Hilton I saw on the vidcap?
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05-22-2005, 06:42 PM

We do a lot of mainstream. and we hate darkblue. they did a pop up on every link they had that was for roar or some crap like that. Maybe they cleaned up since then but it was not something we would have pushed. linkshare and CJ are professional. And if you want them to hold your hand while they pick your pocket look into Performics.

Shareasale is a low cost one that is doing ok for us.
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05-22-2005, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by datatank

Thanks for the bump. Do you have any exerience with any networks you woud like to share? ;)

yes.
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