2257 & the BIG guys it "may effect".

So lets say two detectives come to my house and ask me for that data... Then I contact you and say, Yo! I need that data...

Okay, now continuing from before, lets use A TGP like Mark?s Bookmarks (because it?s a great TGP and Mike is a good guy).

Affiliate Joe comes to us and say ?Hey, I like your new Brazil site and I want to push it?. Our response would be, ?Hey that is great, glad to have you aboard. Just a few questions before we get you approved.

1. How long have you been in this business?
2. What references do you have?
3. Would you like free hosting?
4. What type of promoting do you do?
5. You understand we don?t allow mail, correct?
6. How much traffic do you see yourself sending?

Essentially we start doing a background check on them. Why? Because if his answer to number 3 above is NO for what ever reason, then I essentially have to send him copies of all the 2257 info for the site he is pushing. God forbid he wants to promote 10 sites of ours without free hosting, then I am sending him literally over 7,000 pages of information. And that is one affiliate. So 1,000 affiliates in a program (we have more than that, but keeping the numbers simple, imagine what nasty dollars has?lol) at that point costs me 7,000,000 pieces of paper. That paper needs to be printed on, and someone needs to be paid to do it. I?m not even going to guess what that costs, but essentially, we are no longer a porn company, WE ARE A PUBLISHING company.

No way can a program send this to every affiliate, sure if you are throwing 10 joins a day to us, I?ll pop for all of it (postage on that would be a bitch and I doubt webmasters would want scanned copies that THEY have to print out.

What happens if this webmaster is Joe webmaster THE STALKER?. Thus a reason why background checks help. He starts harassing a model cause he has their information, driving by her house, ?..I don?t want to further than that, cause it pisses me off, but we all know there are sick sick fucks out there that don?t care and would do some very bad things that could essentially bring down this entire industry if models started getting stalked. Nobody would want to model anymore, and something tell me our 80s porn wouldn?t retain to well.

Back to the TGPs, Joe webmaster want to submit to Mark?s Bookmarks with the content for our sites. Now Luckily, mark?s happen to be mainly text links with only 4 banners at the top, and I don?t even want to get into what banners will do with 2257 proposed, but lets pretend they are not there. Who here thinks Mark would have to have a copy of the 2257?

Back to work?.be back again to talk about whats going to happen to the webmasters??give me 15 minutes?

Why couldn't the sponsors give affiliates the 2257 documents in digital format but encrypted and when the government asks the affiliate for the docs, the affiliate calls the sponsor's special hotline and request it and they give the affiliate the key to de-crypt the data into readable text?

Again do you trust your sponsor enough to keep you out of jail?

You're right, it wasn't legal advice. I was going by what their main mission statement read as, which from what I understand of plain English means they want access to the information they want access to. I plan to comply and provide that access.

Lenny just loves to cock off at me whenever he gets the opportunity for some odd reason. I must smell good today.

Why couldn't the sponsors give affiliates the 2257 documents in digital format but encrypted and when the government asks the affiliate for the docs, the affiliate calls the sponsor's special hotline and request it and they give the affiliate the key to de-crypt the data into readable text?

Don't flatter yourself, I give you shit when you post moronic things, such as your earlier post. If you keep acting like a moron, I'm obliged to keep calling you one.

Also, I never said you were providing legal advice, what I said was if that's your plan be glad you're in Canada, because people in the U.S. who think that if the law says A, but all they really want is B, so I'll do B, will end up filming gay reality sites in prison.

It's like saying "The speed limit is 65, but they really just want people to drive safely and not have an accident, so I'll drive 80 but be extra careful"

My 2 cents. This whole law will blow over. The government hasn't set a budget for prosecution...they don't have any special agency in place to go after anyone. Think of the billions of dollars spent with tons of govt. agencies formed 20 years for the "WAR ON DRUGS'. I don't know about you, but there's more drugs of every type available on any corner now, then there was before the govt's billion dollar a year war.

Think of the billions of dollars spent with tons of govt. agencies formed 20 years for the "WAR ON DRUGS'. I don't know about you, but there's more drugs of every type available on any corner now, then there was before the govt's billion dollar a year war.

Under what was originally proposed, it would be required to hand full 2257 documents to every affiliate wanting to use the content. That is overwhelming amounts of paper out there (imaging a program with 1000 affiliates used 30 images each per day... )that would be 60,000 pieces of paper having to be mailed each day... and the end of 1 year that is 22 million pieces of new paperwork not currently required by law.

Some of you are missing the fine-points of the new proposed regulations. You must have your 2257 documents ready to show the inspectors when they arrive at your front door. The documents MUST be in alphabetical order. You must also have your documents CROSS-INDEXED by the stage names used by the performers AND by the locations of where these performers can be found (video name, URL, etc.) If one document is out of order (eg: not alphabetized) then that is a violation. The inspectors may visit you up to three times a year.

The obvious purpose of making this so difficult is to drive the porn industry out of business.

(And to the poster above who said that there is no funding or organization to do this - the Justice Department has set-up a new Obscenity Division to handle this.)

the government just wants to organize and clean it up. Which I think we should have done in a long time. This way the conversions will get better and so will the retention when people can't view obscene content for free.

Do you honestly believe that?

If you really think that, you need to talk to your lawyer right now.

There is no free speech lawyer in the United States who is worth talking to that will tell you that the government is just doing this to help "organize" the adult industry.

The right wing claim this is a change to help fight child porn, but it is an attempt to stifle legal free speech and will do nothing to fight child porn.

This is an attack on free speech. "Obscene" content is another issue altogether.

I really think I could pull off a digital solution. Gonna bat it around in my head over the weekend.

Then again, you would still run into the whole thing about stalkers... I could pretend the detectives came looking for the info... I would imagine they would also have some kinda important papers with the papers they are looking for stated on them... Then I could fax that to you... but then you would still not know if I am just a stalker...

I totally understand! the companies who are fly by night and not orginized will have to worry if you comply to the regs you don't. It's as simple as that.

Trust me I know its a bitch but it can be done. the strong will survive

Here is where it gets really interesting. There is no way in hell, I intend on freely passing out copies of all 2257 for every Joe webmaster that comes along saying he needs it to ?comply?. So don?t ask???

We were talking about intent. This was not done to "organize" the adult industry, it was done to try to shut it down. Do you really think that free speech hating right wingers want to help "organize" this industry?

Okay, without getting into a discussion on what could happen, or getting everyones different opinion on what 2257 is all about (because I have read all these posts and it is aparent that more than half the people either didn't read and of it, or don't understad the current regs as is), check this out:

I'm with JasonandAlex.com. Lets say we take our new tranny site for example:

www.sexyshemalesfrombrazil.com

Lets say we have a total of 50 scenes of exclusive content shot for that site, and that site only. I know for a fact we have all the proper documentation to abide to 2257 because we shot it all down in Brazil and our producer was pretty much told, if he didn't come back with the EXACT proper paperwork for any of the models he would not get paid. Period. Luckily, he knows what he was doing (Contact me if you want his name).

So anyway, 50 scenes were shot. Two people per scene, and 4 threesome scenes in there as well for total of 104 releases needing to be signed. This is also 104 copies of government issued IDs. Each release is 6 pages long, plus one page for the highly enlarged copy of their identification card (AGAIN, government issued). This is a total of 728 pages of 2257 documentation for ONE site already.

In addition to that, we scan in every release and 2257 related info and store it digitally as well. This takes approximately 2 days to do properly. The next step is putting everything into a database. Fact of the matter is, we act as if the Feds are coming in to check on this the minute the sight goes live, and they point at our members area at a specific girl and say "I want to see her ID and proof that she is 18 or above."

Now, for us this would take about 15 seconds to pull that up. We have a Master Spreadsheet for all of our sites and content, and we have an additional Master Spreadsheet for each and every site. Simply cross reference the stage name, to the spreadsheet, to the actor/actress real name, flip through the filing cabinet, broken down alphabetically, and yank it out. We have back ups of all of the originals in storage as well. The Master Spreadsheet for one site takes about 1.5 days to finish.

So before we go further, lets go over the cost of all of this up until now:

$450.00 - Legal work regarding documentation
$25.00 - Paper/Ink/Printing cost of original 2257
$25.00 ? Paper/Ink/Printing cost of 2257 backups.
$500.00 ? Payment of $10.00 per scene to producer for proper records and offsite 2257 work.
$700.00 ? Payment for Administrative Assistant to scan, copy, file, and create spreadsheets.

$1,700 ? Total

I know I missed a bunch of stuff as well, but I?m trying to keep this simple. Even if you call it $2,000 per site, it?s a fairly reasonable cost of doing business. No, I am not defending the 2257 rules and regs, just stating a fact.

Here is where it gets really interesting. There is no way in hell, I intend on freely passing out copies of all 2257 for every Joe webmaster that comes along saying he needs it to ?comply?. So don?t ask??

(I?ll come back and finish where I?m going with this: including how it affects TGPs from the programs perspective (both small and large), how it effects webmasters, the implementation of invite only webmasters, the costs associated with it, etc? I gotta get some work done really quick?

stop crying, you make good money from it. I applaude the regulations, there is to much shit flooting around.

Sometimes I despair for the intelligence levels of some people who have posted in this thread.

this thread should be copied to the FSC as a court exhibit.

is that the 48 point version? wtf

You're right, it wasn't legal advice. I was going by what their main mission statement read as, which from what I understand of plain English means they want access to the information they want access to. I plan to comply and provide that access.

Lenny just loves to cock off at me whenever he gets the opportunity for some odd reason. I must smell good today.

That isn't immediate access to the information because when they ask said producer to "show me the documents for the girl on this url" it's not even his damn site. He might not remember all girls by looking at them, the page might have changed, and he damn sure won't have the legally required database listing every page that model is on because YOU would be the producer of that site, not him. Regardless of your opinion, your way would help nothing. Hell people do that now.

It's the producer / owned of the content that is required to hold onto the 2257, and affiliates would merely be 'licensed' for free to use your content but would have to link to a page that lists your main 2257 holder's name/address/contact information, etc...

It's good that you have a reasonable handle on the old 2257 regs, but where have you been the last few months? Unless what has just passed into law is considerably softer than the original proposals, one major difference is that everyone displaying sexually explicit material is now responsible for keeping their own records.

As someone else noted, the only way to get affiliates who want to use more than heavily censored content off the hook, is if the sponsor hosts the content and the affiliate is therefore not the page/site operator.

It's better than nothing.

What's your solution? You conveniently left that part of your post out.

The news link xxxjay posted in a different thread mentioned the producer having to have proper identification on hand to be able to prove age