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sorry, not really against it... just personally think its sick. that wont stop me from promoting sweet money or meatcash's pissing sites. if i can make easy $ on anything legal i will do it as long as it doesnt involve underage kids. legal or not thats where i draw the line.Originally posted by Johny TrafficI host with VacaresComment
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Donovan you're a fucking cluesless nobody, fuck off idiot
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Why shouldn't consenting adults make or watch BDSM videos?Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Why do you think that is wrong? Why do you think it should be banned?
Because you don't like it?Comment
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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
so you think its right to impress YOUR PERSONAL opinion & views on others? no one is asking you to watch it, buy it or sell it. you should just simply say, hey... i don't like it, but they should have the right to do it because i NEVER want someone to tell me i don't have the right to do what I AM DOING RIGHT NOW. you can't see how people like you will bring about the downfall of the industry? last thing we need is some cat in the game turning into a traitor.... basically, that's what you are... the extreme sites ensure your comfort in the game. when they're gone, where's your buffer? you're next kid.... u should change your stance. no one is saying what "extreme producers" do is right or wrong, because that's a PERSONAL DECISION for you to make for YOURSELF... but defend their right to do it as a member of this community. plain & simple.
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See the problem is its a slippery slope, as soon as we try and inforce our likes and dislikes on people.Originally posted by beemk
OK so first we ban anyone watching two people pissing on each other, then we ban two people pissing on each other, then we ban two people pissing near each other, then we ban two people pissing in the same room as each other? You see these right wing church people wont be happy untill everyone are like them. Thats the point. They'll never be happy untill there is no porn. Then that wont be enough Im afraid. Censorship is bad, its even worse when people outside the government start censoring on what they feel is right and wrong
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"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
Replace Communists, Socialists and Jews with "Extreme niche", "Fantasy and Fantasy horror", and basically any deviant content other than vanilla porn and there you have it.
Think, people. Think before you censor yourselves right out of business. As someone else said here, it's a slippery slope being played with. Pointing the finger at someone else's site leaves yourself wide open for a dozen other fingers pointing at your stuff. If CCBill or Visa etc has thought long and hard about their decisions on censorship maybe they ought to think even longer and far harder, because something isn't right when it's okay to watch a movie on TV with scenes of violence, rape depictions, murder, gore, horror, all coupled with sex and sexuality..... yet because it's on the internet that same content magically becomes "obscene"??
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Originally posted by CDSmith
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I'm making a lot of my money from BDSM and female domination sites.
in fact a big part of my income is either pissing or violent (as CCBill describes it), or other sado stuff.
I hate it - but it's a living for me.Comment
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I was talking with someone from ccbill about it, and all the other stuff except person to person watersport is old news. I mean the violence thing.Comment
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It's much more fun to watch you proving once again that you have no idea.Originally posted by DonovanPhillipsLeft intentionally blank ... just like my brainComment
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very wise words!Originally posted by CDSmith
sitting back and doing nothing while they are slowly butchering the freedom of choise just because it doesnt hit your niche is stupid, applauding it is beyound stupid!Daddy Strokes - mature men stroking their meat
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wtf is wrong with you guys in the us ?Comment
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I think you are trying to compare apples to oranges here.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Merchant accounts/banks are ultimately swayed by local laws. While the US banks are tightening their ships due to the administration in office .. that is NOT the case elsewhere. Have a look at where CCBill and Epochs banks are located - two different animals.
I'd also like to make it clear that there is Visa US and then there is Visa International .. they are NOT the same animal and its a well known fact that the two don't play well together. Visa international would never bow down to change policy based on the localized jurisdiction rules Visa US might adopt.
As for Visa hating adult ... I think you are confusing that with their dislike of the IPSP (3rd party processing) business model
In summation, for you to ask 'how long do you think their own merchant accounts would last'? I'd say a long time (especially non US based)
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What I was trying to say but put alot betterOriginally posted by CDSmith
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And mineOriginally posted by Kirsten
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Let me repeat this, I was talking with someone from ccbill about it, and all the other stuff except person to person watersport is old news. I mean the violence thing.Comment
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Stuff like the one MaxHardcore sells should ad been banned long time ago...Comment
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Why, because you dont like it?Originally posted by Rui
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What's wrong with watersports? It's not my thing but between consenting adults it seems fine.Comment
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Theres nothing wrong with it. Its a slippery slippery slopeOriginally posted by Mike33
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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
How you think about MC and MH is EXACTLY how Christians feel about YOUR stuff.
Makes you pretty much of a hypocrite.Comment
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I am telling you guys right now. The gov't was just chipping away at us first, now it is starting to chop with the 2257 nightmare and now basically, the forcing of 3rd party processors to be ultra-sensitive and ultra-conservative. Why do you think this is happening on the heels of the obscenity task force being strengthened and this recent 2257 final passing and announcement?
I will put something out there; if the Republicans get in once again, in 2008, CCBill will not survive that term. Be it by lawsuit or new ways cooked up by Republicans to guarantee extinction, I believe this. Look at how its trending. You think its going to end at watersports and fisting? (these two things I just shake my head at-------to actually censor them in this day and age..........be it consenting adults.......well its beyond pathetic). This is just the beginning of a new round of censorship. And if Hillary Clinton gets in, and lets face it, she's the only hope of adult webmasters and the Democrats, not much will change. Remember, she's an ardent feminist and probably finds most of pornography personally morally objective. She will leave 2257 in place, and most regulations. Do you honestly think she would cut back on the obscenity task force zealots? It wouldn't be politically expedient. Yet she is by far the lesser of two evils.
Bad times are ahead for porn in the usa. Watch European billers begin to gather even more strength. That is the real future, not ccbill. CCbill will continue to be clawed back on by the Republican administration. Its how the whole thing is trending.Comment
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Umm. to the mainstream, we ALL look bad...Even if they shoot clean little white girls nude like you do. Getting rid of fisting or scat or whatever will NOT make us look better to ANYBODY.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
To them, my site is crap, YOUR site is "crap" and all of the other shit with a boobie showing is crap.Comment
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So wonder where this leaves Spanking sites ?Comment
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I'd love to see you eat a fat horse.... errr... sausageOriginally posted by DonovanPhillipsI sale fu-fme, hit me up for a killer deal!Comment
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this is so stupid.. fuck Bush and his flunkies, they'll just do the business from another locationComment
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Exactly.Originally posted by shermsshackI sale fu-fme, hit me up for a killer deal!Comment
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Everybody that is on here saying "If it's legal they can do it" is a fucking tool. Obsenity changes by location. Perhaps CCBill doesn't want their name associated with sites that can be considered obscene is the majority of locations if it was brought to court there?
Or perhaps they see the many prosecutions coming in the near future and know as well as everyone else that they will start with the sites that are EASY TO PUT A FUCKING ON! I wouldn't allow my business to process for someone like Max Hardcore ever, regardless of whether or not I think it should be ok. It's a business move, plain and simple. Nothing to do with CCBill finding morals.Comment
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post far from reality having in mind visa willingly processes for rape sites in certain regionsOriginally posted by DonovanPhillipsComment
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All porn is not the same to 95% of Americans. Sure they talk about the evil pornographers and lump everyone together but it's all fluff. You know damn well they won't be shutting down sites with content you can see on HBO. They know this as well. They will shut down the extreme sites at every chance they get though. Would you want to be processing for not 1, but multiple sites that ride on the edge of the law?Originally posted by BVF
Which brings up the question, if you take payments as a 3rd party for someone to get into a site that is later found illegal, couldn't they bring federal charges against your ass too?Last edited by chadglni; 05-18-2005, 04:24 AM.Comment
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Very salient and well thought out points, CD.Originally posted by CDSmith
A PERFECT example of the hypocrisy you are talking about is available for us today on the largest mainstream newssite around, cnn.com.
Today, for example, they have an article detailing how Samuel L. Jackson has helped himself to a successful acting career that has entailed many death scenes ("Prolific actor has made a living off interesting death scenes...").
Not only do they have this article, they then post a link to a gallery WITH ALL OF HIS DEATH SCENES INCLUDED. For eg.:
The hypocrisy of this issue in particular, to put it bluntly, fucking reeks.Comment
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Why do you even bother explaining anything to him?Originally posted by Soul_RebelI sale fu-fme, hit me up for a killer deal!Comment
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Dude, you are living in a fucking dreamworld. HBO regularity has ultra-violent movies with rape and murder depictions, etc. CCBill and Epoch do not process for sites such as these.Originally posted by chadglniComment
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With one big difference, nobody has their dick up someones ass while they do it. Murder and rape is mainstream in the movies. Murder and rape while fucking will get you locked away. Are people really this fucking ignorant?Originally posted by BansheelinksComment
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actually not visa but acquiring banks. Visa set rules and on these rules banks further extend the do not process list.
CCBILL decisions.....let's see. In an industry with so many open issues if I was running the 2nd largest 3rd part processor I would make sure to be around for years to come and since the communication path between visa/mc and processors is almost non-existent (yes,that's right, not my words but coming from employee of big 3rd part processing co) I would try to fly under radars.Last edited by Theo; 05-18-2005, 04:36 AM.Comment
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so trueOriginally posted by BCyber
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This is where you are wrong. You are not considering what they consider, and that is the context of sexual depiction. The censor's excuse to us is that violence, on an adult site, in conjunction with sex, is a sexualization of that said violence.Originally posted by chadglni
However, in movies, they let it go all the time. Many successful movies blend in sex and violence seemlessly. Everyone knows that. But they come after adult websites with this hypocrisy and nonsense. Not only that, they constantly change definitions to harrass adult webmasters in this matter. And they back billers like ccbill into a corner, and thus you have ccbill reacting the way they are. CCBill is in it for self-preservation.
But look at the trends over the last few years. Now its fisting that is gone (unbelievable in my opinion.......), and watersports, EVEN BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS. You have to look at the trends, folks. With another Republican administration in 2008, do you think even a photo with a girl, saying taking a very large cock and looking uncomfortable because its a really tight fit, will make it past the censor czars? I think not.
More and more of this censorship leads to INTERPRETATION. An emboldened Republican administration will be pressing lawsuit buttons. It is trouble.Comment
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I really think ccbill didn't decide out of the blue 2 draw a line.
And I know they are in business to make money, and they have there reasons. Who knows maybe some congressman told them you might think about doing such and such. Not saying it happened, could be any number of reasons.
it's there business and it looks like they want 2 stay in business.
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It's just slippery cause of the pee running down it...Originally posted by Johny Traffic
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I like the Republicans hypocritcal cry............"We want government off your back!"..........or "the less government, the better."
Pure bullshit.
They only want government off their backs in the context of keeping more of what you earn money-wise, and less social spending on government programs they deem expendable or a waste.
Unless............those programs, of social consequence, have to deal with their quasi-religious bent..........which brings us to pornography.
Then they have NO problem spending taxpayers money to create bogus legislation that ultimately will be struck down as unconstitutional, but is designed in the meantime to harrass the 'vile pornographers, the filth peddlers'. They have NO problem spending taxpayers money to try and bankrupt via prosecution the peddlars of so-called extreme or edgy sites. Even when they lose (see Extreme Associates) they try, try again........pissing more of our money down the drain.
Their 'hands off by the govt' cries ring hollow.
Guess what? They can fuck right off.Comment
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Originally posted by f | a s hDonovan you're a fucking cluesless nobody, fuck off idiot
I'd say the clueless one was the man with less than 100 posts who thinks Donovan has anything to do with the decision CCBill made. There are some fucking morons in this thread. This thread is all about a decision made by the industry's best processor. I happen to agree with it. But if you don't agree with it, what the fuck does it have to do with me?
Clueless, idiotic, moronic fuckheads....Comment
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I'd love to see your shit go bye-bye ....Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Why not ... I feel like it.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Originally posted by andrej_NDC can't convince these people...
I have one sponsor and ccbill won't take any more of that kind of sites, they did this about 2 1/2 years ago, and it's not a rape, or pissing site nothing like those type sites
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What we think as webmasters morally leads us to what will will or will not have or promote on our web sites. As processors, they have the right to do the same.
In that article, it clearly shows the stance that each of the main 3 processors (CCbill, Netbilling, & Paycom) in this space are taking. It is their choice of what they will and will not accept.Comment
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I'm not completely clear on all this yet, but Donny don't you shoot a little bit of pee content too? Does this not affect that sort of thing as well?
As long as Hollywood keeps putting out violent movies, well adult isn't too far off from there in terms of the violent stuff.
Maybe some pornographers should get together and create a lobbyist group and donate some money to a republican campaign or cause. Send the new pope some money or something, maybe that will help since we know its all about the mighty dollar anyhow.
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