Do you support xpays? or do you think they are just being greedy?
After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.
After all the tape has been out now and is all over the net free anyway.
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Everything is available for free online...Doesn't mean its legal...Originally posted by allanuk
Check out www.torrentspy.com - There is paris's video there...There is also windows...and office...and scripts...Doesn't mean its okayComment
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XPays winning would kill all celeb sites, all blogs etc. etc.. you would no longer be able to post anything "news worthy" etc... So no..Comment
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How would it kill them? Not allowing them to act like they have the video and not? If they are providing the video for sale thru Xpays then its allowed? Seems pretty simple to me?Originally posted by Tempest
I don't see how it has a impact other then keeping people from being able to make money off copyrighted content that they have no rights toComment
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As a content company owner I wholeheartedly support Xpays. The videos are owned. Just because they were pirated doesn't make it right for those who profit through illegetimate publication/endorsement of them.HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
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I totally agree, copywrite law must be upheld!Rod Macdonald
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Surly this tape is not the same as content you make.
This was home made.
Its also been out a while.Comment
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If you can't write a "review" with images from the movie... or post a "news" article with images unless you have permission or are paying a royalty, then those types of sites will die.Originally posted by Adult WardenComment
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As business owners they are entitled to defend any copyrighted material which they own the rights to. And yes as long as the owners have never ever illegally downloaded any copyrighted mp3's or movies then yes I support them.Comment
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I need a third option. Unsure.
I support copyright ownership and the ability to profit or not off of it.
I also support that fair usage should be upheld for the partial use (clip, story, review, so forth) of newsworthy items and or celebrities. Even if the reviewer does not send sales, traffic, or pay royalties to copyright holder. Though I feel they would be liable if they sent traffic to someone else who did not hold the copyright and sold them the video.Comment
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Even in this situation...Why would you not link to Xpays in reference to where to get the video? If not even to make the sale but a place to get the video.Originally posted by TempestComment
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I don't know all of the details of the case, however I don't think this is a frivilous lawsuit inasmuch as Evan (Xpays) has made it abundantly (and redundently) clear, that Xpays will go after copyright violaters - they provided plenty of fair warning.
When you dabble in the gray area, be prepared, and when you get into the darker areas, look out.
I think you would be hard pressed to find many content creators who believe copyright infringement is okay, and the same is probably true for most people that own or are granted rights through the licensing of copyrighted content.
Kind of hard to operate a business if everyone is stealing your content and reaping profits that rightfully belong to you.
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Good riddance i say....i think you should have to pay a royalty...i hardly think people are writing "news" about the clips anyhow....after all...why not just write about it...do you really "need" to show it??Originally posted by TempestComment
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I support his right to go after people. If he took the risk in paying big bucks for it, he should be the only ones profiting from it. I do think his gloating about lawsuits and scare tactics do scare away potential affiliates.Comment
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Originally posted by Tempest
What???
hmmm, how about sending all the traffic from that to the sponsor who owns the content.
Doesnt seem like that hard of a concept to me.
And yes, I 100% support Xpays in this
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I see it pretty black and white really.
Xpays own the video
Other businesses were selling the video without xpays permission via there own billing.
Say I had gone and ripped mrskin etc website and copied the code and made a complete copy. Would this be allowed ? no. They have copyright over it.
Same with xpays.
Just because this video is majorly popular does not make the law all the colours of the rainbow.
I laugh at some of the hypocricy, that when someone steals someones normal porn content. all hell is blown loose on the forums and everyone agrees with the original content holder and calls the other a theif and a scammer.
Same with xpays, they own the fucking video! therefore noone should copy it.
I do not see how some people on this board are sticking up for those at fault.
quite beyond me.Comment
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I am really surprised and bothered by the poll results thus farComment
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I also believe xpays have gone the right way about this aswell. They warned people before hand. they made threats and thankfully they have gone through with those threats. Good riddance to theifs, whoever they may be.Comment
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^ The judge will decide if they are guilty or not thoughComment
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What's the point of making the poll public? So no one votes?Originally posted by allanuk
Pretty smart, not.Comment
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Damn I just noticed that...Interesting to see who voted which thoOriginally posted by SomeCreepComment
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Does this mean we can rip the content of the sites of the people who voted no?Comment
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hahahaha wouldnt they keep up a fuss at that adult warden lol!
Ive had a few people comment on my site foxyreviews at how I have brooke skye etc on there and how the owners could easily sue me, but I got permission first
always a smart thing to do
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So every person out there that runs a blog and posts about it with screen captures and maybe a video clip should be forced to sign up to XPays first? Even if they're primarily mainstream? What about new agencies?? Is XPays going to make every news agency out there pay them or put up links to them for using the term "Hotel Heiress"? This lawsuit opens up more issues than just copyright infrigement.Originally posted by Adult WardenComment
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You're smarter than that.Originally posted by EpicJimComment
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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Didn't notice that.. That's going to push it to one side and end up not being truly representative.
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ahh tempest has a good point. maybe my point is not so clear cutComment
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I agree they should have the right to enforce their copyright on it.
I think it's been made clear for a long time that this video, much like Playboy, Perfect 10, and Suz Randall are shit you need to stay away from (amung others).
However, I do not agree with the way this is being blown up into a huge issue. It's going to send a ripple effect to others who are int he celebrity niche, even those NOT in hardcore.
It reminds me of the stuff with the RIAA a few years back.
I'm not saying the Xpays should not enforce it. Nor that they do not have the rights, because they obviously do. I just do not agree with the broader implications this brings.
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I'm split 50/50 for several reasons, and I think they could handle it much better and make a lot more money. However, I hesitate to do much business with them and am constantly reconsidering it because they are always trying to sue someone, always threatening people, including affiliates, getting their own affiliates pages DMCA'd, etc.. It's just EASIER to avoid them and their program, and easier to stop finding traffic to send them.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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I support them 100%.
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Originally posted by Tempest
why do you think that?Comment
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Oh... is this the same Xpays that Microsoft sued for spamming? Perhaps this "law and order" company can tell us how thats going?
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Originally posted by allanuk
not so long that the copyright has expiredComment
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So...since they got sued they can't sue others?Originally posted by ronbotxComment
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Originally posted by Tempest
you think as an affiliate they are going to deny allowing you to use their sponsor content?Comment
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Originally posted by Adult Warden
Only one name surprises me, and I sure wish he would post his opinion . . especially since he sells content.Comment
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this poll is useless...Comment
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Originally posted by Adult Warden
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yeah, all politicsOriginally posted by nico-tComment
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Originally posted by Tempest
What news agency is going to be talking about Hotel Heiress or posting images?Comment
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Originally posted by Tempest
You obviously aren't.Comment
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Playboy did. Do you feel they shouldn't have either?Originally posted by EpicJim- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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I can't remember Evan and I agreeing on much of anything. I haven't been a fan of some of his business, umm, "concepts" in the past, so we aren't exactly on the same page.
To an extent, the idea of legal action in this particular case is good. Exclusivity of license is an important issue, and rights holders need to agressively and jealously protect those rights.
However, specifically in the case of Mr Skin, well, I am not seeing the same application here. Mostly for the reasons that all of Mr Skin's content is lifted from other sources, and from companies with MUCH deeper pockets and stars to protect. However, judging from the specific lack of action on the behlf of the studios to get their copyrighted material removed suggests to me that there is a reason, maybe a legal angle that protects them.
I think all of the others look pretty cut and dry, if Xpays is the only license holder, and they have not granted a license to anyone else (or have granted limited license that doesn't allow redistribution) than I think they are pretty much good to go.
Of course, they might also want to try to sue the usenet and every ISP and company that distributes it, because the hilton video is "out there".Comment
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I forgot how you just post questions or make blanket statements (with no substance to them) without actually saying anything intelligent in attempt to stir up some shit...Originally posted by baddogLast edited by Tempest; 09-15-2006, 08:01 PM.Comment
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Freedom of speech typically trumps copyright... Of course it depends on the application etc.Originally posted by RawAlexComment
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Looks like I jumped the gun. I said yes but that is only if they were actually selling the video. I see MrSkin says they just did a review and if they are getting sued for that it's pathetic.Comment
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pot calling the kettle????????Originally posted by ronbotx
funny coming from one of the wanna be spammers on this board
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