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  • kadudu
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    • Mar 2011
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    California passes bill letting non-citizens serve on juries

    Thought this was pretty interesting. I think this could run into a lot of problems though, especially with jurors not being impartial. But the gap between rights of citizens and non-citizens in the country seems to be closing more and more. Doesn't seem like there will be too much of a benefit of being a US citizen a few years down the road. Do you think other states will follow California's example?

    The California Assembly passed a bill on Thursday that would make the state the first in the nation to allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty.

    Assemblyman Bob Wieckowski, D-Fremont, said his bill, AB1401, would help California widen the pool of prospective jurors and help integrate immigrants into the community.

    It does not change other criteria for being eligible to serve on a jury, such as being at least 18, living in the county that is making the summons, and being proficient in English.

    The bill passed 45-25 largely on a party-line vote in the Democratic-controlled Assembly and will move on to the Senate. One Democrat ? Assemblyman Adam Gray, of Merced ? voted no, while some other Democrats did not vote.

    Democratic lawmakers who voted for the bill said there is no correlation between being a citizen and a juror, and they noted that there is no citizenship requirement to be an attorney or a judge. Republican lawmakers who opposed Wieckowski's bill called it misguided and premature.

    Assemblywoman Diane Harkey, R-Dana Point, said there is no shortage of jurors.

    "Jury selection is not the problem. The problem is trial court funding," Harkey said before the vote. "I hope we can focus on that. Let's not break something; it's not broken now. Let's not whittle away at what is reserved for U.S. citizens. There's a reason for it."

    Wieckowski's office said the bill is the first of its kind in the nation and suggested that courts regularly struggle to find enough prospective jurors because jury duty is often seen as an inconvenience, if not a burden. His office did not cite any statistics but pointed to a 2003 legislative report that said numerous articles have noted high rates of non-participation.

    A 2007 survey by the Center for Jury Studies said 20 percent of courts across the country reported a failure to respond or failure to appear rate of 15 percent or higher. The center is run by the National Center for State Courts, a Virginia-based nonprofit dedicated to improving court systems.

    It's not clear, however, if that rate translates to a shortage of jurors in California.

    Noting that women were once kept off juries, Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, said the judicial system should be changed to allow a person to be judged by their peers.

    "This isn't about affording someone who would come in as a juror something," Perez said. "But rather understanding that the importance of the jury selection process of affording justice to the person in that courtroom."

    An estimated 10 million Californians are summoned for jury duty each year and about 4 million are eligible and available to serve, according to the Judicial Council, which administers the state's court system. About 3.2 million complete the service, meaning they waited in a courthouse assembly room or were placed on call.

    In 2010-2011, the most recent year available, only about 165,000 people were sworn in as jurors.

    The judicial branch has not taken a position on AB 1401.
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  • Harmon
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    • Vendzilla
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      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
      think about that

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      • BlackCrayon
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        like they would actually show up. if they aren't citizens they are not their 'peers'.
        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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        • Grapesoda
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          well the only 'exclusive right' that citizens have is to get drafted I think

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          • L-Pink
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            #6
            So a jury of my peers is now non US citizens?

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            • Rochard
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              I'm guessing the problem is they can't get enough jurors. I've never done it but I'm told by those who did the process was a huge waste of time - sit around and wait all day, and then get sent home.

              Maybe we should have professional jurors? Paid?
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              • Webmaster Advertising
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                #8
                That's awesome actually, once they show up and get asked if they are a legal resident, once they answer 'no' INS can put them in cuffs and in-front of the judge who's trial they were going to be on the jury for... An awesome way to save tax-payer money

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                • kadudu
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Webmaster Advertising
                  That's awesome actually, once they show up and get asked if they are a legal resident, once they answer 'no' INS can put them in cuffs and in-front of the judge who's trial they were going to be on the jury for... An awesome way to save tax-payer money
                  I don't think that's gonna happen with amnesty bills just around the corner.

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                  • Sly
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    I'm guessing the problem is they can't get enough jurors. I've never done it but I'm told by those who did the process was a huge waste of time - sit around and wait all day, and then get sent home.

                    Maybe we should have professional jurors? Paid?
                    If they are sitting around all day doing nothing and then go home, it sounds like we have plenty of jurors? the problem would be above that somewhere.
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                    • baddog
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      I'm guessing the problem is they can't get enough jurors. I've never done it but I'm told by those who did the process was a huge waste of time - sit around and wait all day, and then get sent home.

                      Maybe we should have professional jurors? Paid?

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                      • StickyGreen
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                        Fucking California... smh
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                        • DaveMG
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                          wow... California is messed up. They aren't legal to be here. now you are giving them rights?!

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                          • Vendzilla
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                            California is funding ads for allowing illegal aliens to benefit from Obamacare
                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                            think about that

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                            • L-Pink
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                              California is funding ads for allowing illegal aliens to benefit from Obamacare
                              Do you have a link? I'd enjoy viewing one, thanks.


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                              • L-Pink
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                Do you have a link? I'd enjoy viewing one, thanks.


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                                Never mind, found them, thanks.


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                                • marcop
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                  well the only 'exclusive right' that citizens have is to get drafted I think
                                  Not sure about that... when I came to the US from England, some of the guys I came over with were under 26, and they were told they had to register for the draft.

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                                  • marcop
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                    I'm guessing the problem is they can't get enough jurors. I've never done it but I'm told by those who did the process was a huge waste of time - sit around and wait all day, and then get sent home.
                                    I was just on jury duty--for a whole fucking week--and didn't get called. The problem is that I'm a freelance photographer, and couldn't book any shoots that week as I didn't know if I'd get called. And I couldn't go on vacation.

                                    It's unfair because if you work for any decent sized company, they'll pay your salary/wages while you do jury duty. To make it fair, I think that should not be allowed--nobody should be paid anything.

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                                    • PornDiscounts-V
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                      well the only 'exclusive right' that citizens have is to get drafted I think
                                      Correct. But you can now serve in our Army without being a citizen.
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                                      • crockett
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                        I'm guessing the problem is they can't get enough jurors. I've never done it but I'm told by those who did the process was a huge waste of time - sit around and wait all day, and then get sent home.

                                        Maybe we should have professional jurors? Paid?
                                        Jurors are paid.. but it's minimum wage.

                                        We already have "paid" experts in court cases and far too often these guys are just "experts" saying what the the guys paying them, wants them to say. Do you really think it'a wise to go down that road with a jury?
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                                        • baddog
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DaveMG
                                          wow... California is messed up. They aren't legal to be here. now you are giving them rights?!
                                          What do you mean they are not legally here? Did you bother to read the post? Didn't think so.


                                          The California Assembly passed a bill on Thursday that would make the state the first in the nation to allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty.


                                          Originally posted by marcop
                                          Not sure about that... when I came to the US from England, some of the guys I came over with were under 26, and they were told they had to register for the draft.
                                          So what? We don't have a draft; haven't in close to 40 years. But you are right, we aren't getting drafted either.

                                          Originally posted by marcop
                                          I was just on jury duty--for a whole fucking week--and didn't get called. The problem is that I'm a freelance photographer, and couldn't book any shoots that week as I didn't know if I'd get called. And I couldn't go on vacation.

                                          It's unfair because if you work for any decent sized company, they'll pay your salary/wages while you do jury duty. To make it fair, I think that should not be allowed--nobody should be paid anything.
                                          It's unfair because some people work for themselves and others work for companies?

                                          I used to work for the phone company and they paid 100% of our wages when we were on jury duty, and the courts loved us. Not sure where you live, but usually, around here anyway, you are on jury duty but you call in the night before to see if you have to report or not.

                                          Originally posted by vvvvv
                                          Correct. But you can now serve in our Army without being a citizen.
                                          When did you have to be a citizen to serve in the Army?

                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                          Jurors are paid.. but it's minimum wage.

                                          We already have "paid" experts in court cases and far too often these guys are just "experts" saying what the the guys paying them, wants them to say. Do you really think it'a wise to go down that road with a jury?
                                          Minimum wage? In CA we get about $5/day as I recall. That isn't gas money.
                                          Last edited by baddog; 04-26-2013, 06:43 PM.

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                                          • seoxpertz
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                                            Never mind, found them, thanks.


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                                            • DWB
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                                              Sure, why not? Who doesn't want to be judged by a group of people from Mexico, Nigeria, China, and Vietnam, who probably don't know the difference between The Pledge Of Allegiance and Miranda Rights.

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                                              • epitome
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                                                I get that it's only those who are here legally but I do not agree with it. Bad idea.

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                                                  • Grapesoda
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                    California is funding ads for allowing illegal aliens to benefit from Obamacare
                                                    about 20 years ago if I remember correctly the people of LA passed an measure to stop giving benefits to illegal aliens... health care, welfare, schools and housing food stamps etc... the 'city of LA' sued and had the measure tossed out

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                                                    • epitome
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                      California is funding ads for allowing illegal aliens to benefit from Obamacare
                                                      I thought all of the illegals were already getting free health care and that is one of the big reasons why the state is now broke? I believe you've made that argument yourself many times...

                                                      So now the state would want the majority of them to buy their own insurance under ObamaCare? That's nuts.

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                                                      • Gozarian
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                                                        Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles "just as women were once kept off juries, the judicial system should be changed to allow a person to be judged by their peers…"

                                                        So illegal aliens serving on juries is now a civil right? WTF it is no fucking wonder fly-over country calls CA the land of fruits and nuts.

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                                                          • Brad Mitchell
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                                                            What a fucking joke. Absolute liberal nonsense in my opinion.

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                                                            • CDSmith
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                                                              Get used to it! This is the next step in the non-naturalized citizen political rights movement. Someday soon it will be legal for Arnie to make his run on Washington.

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                                                              • baddog
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                                                                #32
                                                                I guess non-citizens who are in the country legally are illegal aliens to a vast majority of GFY.

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                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                  I guess non-citizens who are in the country legally are illegal aliens to a vast majority of GFY.
                                                                  Also common to the vast majority is being too lazy to read more than the thread title before replying.

                                                                  And.... reading comprehension in general.




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                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                    Also common to the vast majority is being too lazy to read more than the thread title before replying.

                                                                    And.... reading comprehension in general.




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                                                                    • videobunch
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                                                                      Great, well I hope their is a translator there so they can understand what is being said. I hate when they say "how you say" like my gardener and house cleaner do.
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                                                                        Originally posted by videobunch
                                                                        Great, well I hope their is a translator there so they can understand what is being said. I hate when they say "how you say" like my gardener and house cleaner do.
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                                                                        • MrMaxwell
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                                                                          I absolutely would most definitely not accept that if I were to stand trial. A jury of my peers is NOT immigrants who hate the fuck out of white people. Illegals sneer at us like WE are here illegally and they DESPISE us. I'll be damned if one of them is going to be sitting in the jury box at MY trial. That'd be like allowing a klansman to be a member of the jury at a black persons trial. It'd make no sense.

                                                                          But anything is possible these days. We have sotomayoro or whoever that spanish looking woman who hates white people is as a member of our SUPREME COURT now so who knows WHAT they will do next.

                                                                          I'd not accept it. There HAS to be SOME line drawn.

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                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by MrMaxwell
                                                                            I absolutely would most definitely not accept that if I were to stand trial. A jury of my peers is NOT immigrants who hate the fuck out of white people. Illegals sneer at us like WE are here illegally and they DESPISE us. I'll be damned if one of them is going to be sitting in the jury box at MY trial. That'd be like allowing a klansman to be a member of the jury at a black persons trial. It'd make no sense.

                                                                            But anything is possible these days. We have sotomayoro or whoever that spanish looking woman who hates white people is as a member of our SUPREME COURT now so who knows WHAT they will do next.

                                                                            I'd not accept it. There HAS to be SOME line drawn.
                                                                            So, what does a racist do about those from other countries that got their citizenship?

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                                                                            • MrMaxwell
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                                                              So, what does a racist do about those from other countries that got their citizenship?
                                                                              I don't know because I'm not a racist. I don't like motherfuckers who don't like me, it's that simple.

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                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by MrMaxwell
                                                                                I don't know because I'm not a racist. I don't like motherfuckers who don't like me, it's that simple.
                                                                                You are racist if you automatically assume someone does not like you because of where they are from.

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                                                                                  That's interesting indeed

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                                                                                  • MrMaxwell
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    You are racist if you automatically assume someone does not like you because of where they are from.

                                                                                    Good point. I didn't mean that I do. But I do know that I've caught the good ol' "I wish I could kill you for being white, you trash" from immigrants of questionable status a whole damned pile of times. Some Mexican people don't hate white people, some do.

                                                                                    Do I want to take a chance letting a non citizen from any country, much less from a country where a good percentage of the people hate Americans, sitting in a jury box with my life in their hands?

                                                                                    No.

                                                                                    I give everyone the same chance. Not much of one. White, Black, Mexican, you name it. I don't trust anyone. But I've known people of all colors I've gotten along great with because they treated me properly and I treated them properly.

                                                                                    Racist against human beings, maybe. I don't like most of them. I don't like being one.

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