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  • Myst
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    • Feb 2004
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    #1

    When did America win its last war?

    Fill me in
    I need to understand why Americans think their army is so superior, why their country is so amazing

    I seem to recall America losing its last war to basically a 3rd world country, vietnam...
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  • hydro
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    #2
    with a little assistance from mcdonalds we beat the war on anorexia

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    • Spunky
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      • Jun 2002
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      #3
      Waiting for the fuck Canada insults

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      • crockett
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        • May 2003
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        #4
        I guess you don't remember Dessert Storm...
        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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        • Love Brokers
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          #5
          Originally posted by Myst
          Fill me in
          I need to understand why Americans think their army is so superior, why their country is so amazing

          I seem to recall America losing its last war to basically a 3rd world country, vietnam...
          The same as the French. A reminder also, it took the French about 20 minutes to roll over for the Germans in WWII.
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          • NaughtyRob
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            #6
            We are so superior that we do not need to win. Think about it.
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            • mardigras
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              • Feb 2003
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              #7
              America won the war against intelligence in 2000
              .

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              • escorpio
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                • Oct 2002
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                #8
                Our military is the reason Canada barely needs one.
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                • DX
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                  • Sep 2001
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                  #9
                  if we weren't so busy going out of way trying not to offend anyone for fear of looking bad on tv... we could end every war we get into in about an hour.. unfortunately (or fortunatley for everyone else) we've got our balls in a sling.

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                  • VeriSexy
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                    #10
                    America has the best weapons in the world, enough said..........
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                    • Myst
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by escorpio
                      Our military is the reason Canada barely needs one.
                      answer the question bigshot
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                      • Snake Doctor
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                        • Mar 2001
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Myst
                        Fill me in
                        I need to understand why Americans think their army is so superior, why their country is so amazing

                        I seem to recall America losing its last war to basically a 3rd world country, vietnam...
                        Hmmm...well since Vietnam we rolled over Grenada in about 5 1/2 minutes, kicked the Iraqi army out of Kuwait in the 90's and recently rolled our army right into Bagdhad in less time than it takes to get from Manhattan to Queens during rush hour.

                        Oh yeah, it took us a couple of weeks to take out Afghanistan too.

                        I'm sure I'm forgetting a few but I've made my point.
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                        • xclusive
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                          • Apr 2004
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                          #13
                          even better why do you think nobody really wants to fuck with us. If we so choose we can wipe out anybody

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                          • Fire
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                            #14
                            Contrary to popular belief we did not lose in Vietnam... we decided not to fight anymore. Any idea how many dead gooks there are compared to Americans?? Our military was not the problem in that war, it was the political leaders. If our generals were allowed to fight... history would tell a very different story.

                            The Russians fought the Afghanis for 8 yrs and then ran like little bitches.
                            America ran over them in two weeks or so.

                            Iraq supposedly had the 4th most powerful army in the world. We completely destroyed them twice.

                            Most of the bigger countries in Europe dislike us cause they are jealous little panzies, the others love us because we opposed the former Soviet Union, and a couple still stand by us because they know we dominate the world.

                            If politics were taken out of it and we let the generals fight, the US military could easily defeat any country on the planet with the exception of China. China would probably be difficult, but I don't think the US would lose.

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                            • mardigras
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by VeriSexy
                              America has the best weapons in the world, enough said..........
                              Weapons of mass distraction
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                              • volante
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Love Brokers
                                A reminder also, it took the French about 20 minutes to roll over for the Germans in WWII.
                                It took the Americans several years to decide which side was going to win WWII before joining in

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                                • smack
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                                  • Mar 2002
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                                  #17
                                  vietnam wasn't really a war. if the military had been allowed to operate without restraint, things would have been much different.
                                  Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                  • CDSmith
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                                    #18
                                    US-led coalition forces kicked royal ass in Bosnia fairly recently, as far as wars go. Took control of the region and put the Serbs in their place pretty damned fast I'd have to say. It was done so fast in fact that no one has even mentioned it in this thread yet. :D
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                                    • Paul Markham
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Fire
                                      Contrary to popular belief we did not lose in Vietnam... we decided not to fight anymore. Any idea how many dead gooks there are compared to Americans?? Our military was not the problem in that war, it was the political leaders. If our generals were allowed to fight... history would tell a very different story.

                                      The Russians fought the Afghanis for 8 yrs and then ran like little bitches.
                                      America ran over them in two weeks or so.

                                      Iraq supposedly had the 4th most powerful army in the world. We completely destroyed them twice.

                                      Most of the bigger countries in Europe dislike us cause they are jealous little panzies, the others love us because we opposed the former Soviet Union, and a couple still stand by us because they know we dominate the world.

                                      If politics were taken out of it and we let the generals fight, the US military could easily defeat any country on the planet with the exception of China. China would probably be difficult, but I don't think the US would lose.
                                      I was not going to reply to this thread, but had to becasue of this post.

                                      1) If the US troops had of gone through Vietnam as the Generals wanted you would of been fighting the Chinese. This is what turned Korea into a stalemate.

                                      2) The Russians had a different war to fight, the people were against them. The US were largely supported by the people.

                                      3) Another idiot who believes what GWB tells him. Iraq had a shit army and if the US intelligence thought it was the 4th most powerful you are led by liars or fools. I prefer the first option, the second is too scary to think of.

                                      4) Why do you thin Europeans dislike you? They just don't support you invading countries on lies.

                                      5) If politics weree taken out of it you would be ruled by a militaty Junta. The Army works for the people in a Democracy.

                                      There's some real idiots here today.



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                                      • Mr Pheer
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                                        • Dec 2002
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                                        #20
                                        The Haitians threw their guns down and ran the minute they learned we were airborne to thier little part of the island.

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                                        • Rich
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                                          • Jan 2003
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                                          #21
                                          Dessert Storm, before that, Grenada.

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                                          • painintheass
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Myst
                                            Fill me in
                                            I need to understand why Americans think their army is so superior, why their country is so amazing

                                            I seem to recall America losing its last war to basically a 3rd world country, vietnam...
                                            American military history of the 20th century

                                            1. World War 1 1914 - 1918:

                                            Great Britian, France, Canada, Poland, etc slug it out from the start

                                            America gets inovlved in 1917 when german U-boats threaten their commerce with europe. On 17-Feb-1917, the Cunard passenger liner S.S. Laconia set sail from New York harbor bound for England. It was sunk off the coast of irland.

                                            2. World War 2 1939 - 1945: Again Great Britian, France, Poland, etc from the start.

                                            America becomes involved in 1941 after perl harbour is bombed. Still only declares war on Japan and it is not until Germany declares war on the United States does the U.S become a full partitipant.

                                            3. The Korean conflict 1950-1953:

                                            President Truman sends ammunition to south korea to help ensure american evacuation. Later authorizes General MacArthur to secure Seoul.

                                            4. Vietnam 1956-1975:

                                            According to the terms of the Geneva Accords, Vietnam would hold national elections in 1956 to reunify the country. The United States and many anti-Communists did not support the Accords. President Dwight D. Eisenhower supported the creation of a counter-revolutionary alternative south of the seventeenth parallel.

                                            5. U.S. Invasion of Grenada 1983:

                                            Reagan Administration used force to combat what it considered hostile governments in the area. The Marxist, pro-Cuban governments of Bishop and Coard were eliminated and a regime friendly to American interests took over.

                                            6. 2nd Persian Gulf war 1991:

                                            Hussein accuses Kuwait on 17 July of oil overproduction and theft of oil from the Rumailia Oil Field. President Bush freezes Iraqi and Kuwatti assets. Sanctions are imposed but they prove to be just as costly, if not more so, to american economic interests.

                                            7. Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003 - present:

                                            Lingering tension and hostility left over from the Gulf War of 1991, in which Iraqi occupation troops were forced out of Kuwait. President George W. Bush's rhetoric implied an (as yet unproven) Iraqi connection with al-Qaida. Using the potential threat of Saddam-supplied Weapons of Mass Destruction in the hands of terrorists, the U.S. government increasingly insisted on total Iraqi disarmament

                                            End result of all american conflicts:

                                            A) They do not get involved until it some how interferes with making money.

                                            B) They do not get involved until it some how interferes with american patriotism. (Excuse me sense of national self-importance)

                                            C) Left on their own Americans cause chaos and seldom finish what they started.

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                                            • painintheass
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                                              • Apr 2004
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Love Brokers
                                              The same as the French. A reminder also, it took the French about 20 minutes to roll over for the Germans in WWII.

                                              I am Quebecoise and I have been living in France for several years.

                                              There are two french proverbs:

                                              1. To be happy you must hide.
                                              2. Do not fart higher than your ass. (IE: Do not bring attention to yourself)

                                              The french of france are an aristocratic society of extreme cowards. The deportation of chidren into the Nazi hands during world war 2 proves this fact.

                                              You can not even do normal business with them. Because if you have a probleme they literally disappear and try to pretend nothing happen.

                                              I speculate that per capita that there are more assholes in france than anywhere else in the world.

                                              I admit I am anti-american but I am also anti-france. Here in france I only associate with people from other countries. It is an amazing country with great art, buildings, etc. But it is a shame it is filled with frenchmen.

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                                              • PornGeneral
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                                                #24
                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

                                                The Vietnam War was a war fought roughly from 1957 to 1975 after the North Vietnamese government secretly agreed to begin involvement in South Vietnam. Time period placement for the Vietnam War is sketchy. Some consider the Vietnam War to have begun in 1946 with the French attempt to re-establish control over their colony.
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                                                • Pretty_Lara
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                                                  #25
                                                  Dear Myst I think you are not from Canada, you are stupied russian communist :D...
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                                                  • FunForOne
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by charly
                                                    I was not going to reply to this thread, but had to becasue of this post.

                                                    1) If the US troops had of gone through Vietnam as the Generals wanted you would of been fighting the Chinese. This is what turned Korea into a stalemate.

                                                    2) The Russians had a different war to fight, the people were against them. The US were largely supported by the people.

                                                    3) Another idiot who believes what GWB tells him. Iraq had a shit army and if the US intelligence thought it was the 4th most powerful you are led by liars or fools. I prefer the first option, the second is too scary to think of.

                                                    4) Why do you thin Europeans dislike you? They just don't support you invading countries on lies.

                                                    5) If politics weree taken out of it you would be ruled by a militaty Junta. The Army works for the people in a Democracy.

                                                    There's some real idiots here today.


                                                    The US could actually defeat most army's without putting boots on the ground.


                                                    Anyone remember the term "Shock and Awe"?


                                                    Doesn't matter which side of the isle you sit on, its common knowledge that the democratic party has and will cut spending on the US military. Its no secret that countries that cant afford to "spend" along side the US or propser when I country is impotent in foreign relations desperately want the US to elect democrats to even the playing field of power. Hence, we get examples like the michael moore standing ovation in france and gay frenchmen calling US citizens pussies on porn message boards.

                                                    For moral purposes, we get world governments with agenda to keep its citizens in the dark about the power and agenda of the United States military.
                                                    Hence, we get all the US is evil and the US must cheat to win.




                                                    They dont like us invading counties? The only land we have ever asked for and kept outside our borders was the amount of land necessary to bury the men that died fighting to save those countries that couldn't fight.

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                                                    • BabeHunter
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by FunForOne

                                                      The US could actually defeat most army's without putting boots on the ground.

                                                      It's all about controling the sky and Nukes.
                                                      Yep

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                                                      • who
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                                                        • Aug 2003
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Pretty_Lara
                                                        Dear Myst I think you are not from Canada, you are stupied russian communist :D...
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                                                        • David!
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                                                          • Apr 2004
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                                                          #29
                                                          The only reason the Vietnam war turned out the way it did is because of the same factor as to why the current Iraq waris lagging. That reason is that the US Army has to fight a war with the media looking over their shoulder. War is bad and war is ugly, and war should be avoided at all costs, however it is a necessary evil.
                                                          As far as the strength of the US Armed forces, only China today could challenge them in a conventional war, if you are thinking otherwise, then you are living in a "Mooresque Dream"
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                                                          • FunkMachine
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                                                            #30
                                                            Well, the Iraq war was won/ is being won. Whichever way you want to look at it.

                                                            The Vietnam war was won on a military basis. However, politically it was lost by the American media and idiotic people who thought all that mattered was to smoke weed constantly instead of washing.

                                                            The Vietnam war was the beginning of the downfall of the West as it showed for the first time a real threat from internal traitors who think that socialism/ communism is better than capitalism. I mean, how dumb can you get.

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                                                            • Ian
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                                                              #31
                                                              US helped win WWII. Everything since then has been a "police action".

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                                                              • Napolean
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by spunky
                                                                Waiting for the fuck Canada insults
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                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Myst
                                                                  Fill me in
                                                                  I need to understand why Americans think their army is so superior, why their country is so amazing

                                                                  I seem to recall America losing its last war to basically a 3rd world country, vietnam...
                                                                  They got thier asses badly kicked in Korea. The Marines held together in the retreat but the US Army just disintegrated when the Chinks crossed teh Yalu River.

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                                                                  • Drake
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                                                                    • Mar 2003
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by painintheass
                                                                    End result of all american conflicts:

                                                                    A) They do not get involved until it some how interferes with making money.

                                                                    B) They do not get involved until it some how interferes with american patriotism. (Excuse me sense of national self-importance)

                                                                    C) Left on their own Americans cause chaos and seldom finish what they started.
                                                                    That can be said about every country that has ever been involved in war. Those are the causes of war.

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                                                                    • David!
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                                                                      • Apr 2004
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                      They got thier asses badly kicked in Korea. The Marines held together in the retreat but the US Army just disintegrated when the Chinks crossed teh Yalu River.
                                                                      Your buddies did not do too well in Afghanistan, did they?
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                                                                      • nico-t
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by escorpio
                                                                        Our military is the reason Canada barely needs one.
                                                                        canada doesnt need a huge military, cuz they dont make enemies all over the world and cause wars everywhere like inbred victims. Canada was also the biggest help for holland in WW2.... Seems to me that u cant stand the almost perfect things canada does, when u look at all the fuckups the US does.

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                                                                        • DarkJedi
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                          Hmmm...well since Vietnam we rolled over Grenada in about 5 1/2 minutes
                                                                          Yeah, we're pretty tough at taking out a small band of spear-chuckers.


                                                                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                          kicked the Iraqi army out of Kuwait in the 90's and recently rolled our army right into Bagdhad in less time than it takes to get from Manhattan to Queens during rush hour.

                                                                          All through superior numbers and superior technology.

                                                                          Pit yourself against an equivalent force and you'll fold.
                                                                          Last edited by DarkJedi; 05-14-2005, 04:52 AM.

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                                                                          • Theo
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            urgent call to theking.


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                                                                            • DarkJedi
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
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                                                                              we have an issue that requires your attention at gfy. Thanks a lot. Soul_Rebel

                                                                              Fixed it for you.

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                                                                              • David!
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                                                                                • Apr 2004
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                Yeah, we're pretty tough at taking out a small band of spear-chuckers.





                                                                                All through superior numbers and superior technology.

                                                                                Pit yourself against an equivalent force and you'll fold.
                                                                                Remember Afghanistan, 1 millions Russian soldiers with all the might and the latest technology who could not muster 50,000 Afghan rebels armed with spears?
                                                                                Or maybe, the Chechnyan spear-chuckers?
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                                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by PussyMan
                                                                                  Remember Afghanistan, 1 millions Russian soldiers with all the might and the latest technology who could not muster 50,000 Afghan rebels armed with spears?
                                                                                  Or maybe, the Chechnyan spear-chuckers?
                                                                                  Dear moron,

                                                                                  Take a deep breath and re-read the thread title.

                                                                                  Hint: we are not discussing the Russians here.

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                                                                                  • Quotealex
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Fire
                                                                                    The Russians fought the Afghanis for 8 yrs and then ran like little bitches.
                                                                                    America ran over them in two weeks or so.
                                                                                    Not entirely true. The afghans were being supported by the Americans so technically the Russians were fighting both the Afghans and the US.

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                                                                                    • escorpio
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                                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by nico-t
                                                                                      canada doesnt need a huge military, cuz they dont make enemies all over the world and cause wars everywhere like inbred victims. Canada was also the biggest help for holland in WW2.... Seems to me that u cant stand the almost perfect things canada does, when u look at all the fuckups the US does.
                                                                                      You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
                                                                                      Canada does not need a huge military because it is of no use to them. If any nation wanted to invade Canada only one of two things can happen
                                                                                      a) The U.S. approves of the takeover and lets them roll over Canada
                                                                                      b) The U.S. disapproves the invasion and kicks the shit out of the invading nation

                                                                                      fyi - my father, though born in the U.S, was raised in Edmonton. He served in both the Canadian and U.S. Armed Forces and today is a member of a military think tank in Canada. I know Canadian generals. Do you?
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                                                                                      • neverlearn
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                                                                                        #44
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                                                                                        • ssp
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                          I guess you don't remember Dessert Storm...
                                                                                          Do you mean Desert Storm?

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                                                                                          • justsexxx
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Another war game toy story. Who gives a fuck who has more weapons. I prefer a stable and good economy. Good education. Good health system etc.
                                                                                            Questions?

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                                                                                            • escorpio
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by justsexxx
                                                                                              Who gives a fuck who has more weapons. I prefer a stable and good economy. Good education. Good health system etc.
                                                                                              These are the things Canada can concern itself with since they don't have to worry about maintaining a huge military, thanks to the U.S.A.
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                                                                                              • justsexxx
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by escorpio
                                                                                                These are the things Canada can concern itself with since they don't have to worry about maintaining a huge military, thanks to the U.S.A.

                                                                                                DId you really mean that? Nothing wrong with having SOME power. But spending billions a day in Iraq and those other countries is kinda useless isn't it?
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                                                                                                • 12clicks
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  more idiot US bashing. too funny.

                                                                                                  I should move to canada or the czech republic so I can learn what it feels like to be irrelevant.
                                                                                                  Maybe then I could better understand why these asshats feel a need to pretend all these things.
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                                                                                                  • jimmyf
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                    more idiot US bashing. too funny.

                                                                                                    I should move to canada or the czech republic so I can learn what it feels like to be irrelevant.
                                                                                                    Maybe then I could better understand why these asshats feel a need to pretend all these things.
                                                                                                    you know something, I must agree with you yet again.
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