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  • theking
    Nice Kitty
    • Sep 2002
    • 21053
    #51
    Originally posted by DarkJedi
    In the last year of the war the Germans had something like 36 divisions committed to the Western Front and 138 divisions committed to the Eastern Front.

    At that point the Russians had the most powerful army in history.

    I really don't think it was up to anybody to give them permission to do whatever Stalin wanted them to do.

    We're all just lucky that war simply didn't break out between Russia and the West at that point whatever else Patton may have felt about it.
    With hindsight Patton was right...we should have engaged the Soviets.

    FYI...the number of Divisions is not necessarily important. The size of the Division is important (not all militaries have the same number of warm bodies in a Division). The types of Divisions are important...Infantry...Armor...Artillary. The type of armanent in a Division are important (not all militaries arm their Divisions the same).

    FYI the US and Great Britain alone...from 1940 to 1945 had more than 60 million (22 million Great Britain...38 million USA) men in uniform compared to the Soviets 48,000,000...so I would say that the Soviets had more than a little assist.
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      • DarkJedi
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        • Feb 2001
        • 28301
        #52
        Originally posted by CDSmith
        You really need to think more about what it took to mobilize a force during those times. To an "army" that was all but beaten, thousands upon thousands of vehicles are needed to get them on their feet. Why? Because millions of tons of people, food, ammo, fuel and weapons needed to be moved around to where it was needed most. VEHICLES did that.... as in the trucks and armored vehicles sent from the US.
        All but beaten ? By that time Russians have already turned the tide of war.

        They would have won either way. With or without these "supplies".

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          • theking
            Nice Kitty
            • Sep 2002
            • 21053
            #53
            Originally posted by CDSmith
            That was DJ's supposition, not mine. I know that the retreat in part was developed into what was later called the scorched-earth policy, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one point :D
            I knew you were...and I should have posted with more clarity...my apology.
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              • xxxjay
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                • Aug 2002
                • 13482
                #54
                Originally posted by DarkJedi
                Jay are you stupid ?

                Russians took complete controll of Berlin on May 9th (Night of May8th to be prescise)

                How would have Americans "taken it" if they were not even there ?
                German surrendered on the 8th (last week)...Stalin, whose ego was much too huge, insisted on a separate surrender on the 9th.

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                  • DarkJedi
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                    • Feb 2001
                    • 28301
                    #55
                    Originally posted by theking
                    With hindsight Patton was right...we should have engaged the Soviets.
                    You would have ended up totally OWNED.

                    Originally posted by theking

                    FYI...the number of Divisions is not necessarily important. The size of the Division is important (not all militaries have the same number of warm bodies in a Division). The types of Divisions are important...Infantry...Armor...Artillary. The type of armanent in a Division are important (not all militaries arm their Divisions the same).

                    While Allies were fighting scrap, Russians were facing the most battle able forces. Kursk permanently burned out the Panzer divisions.

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                      • CDSmith
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                        • May 2001
                        • 51460
                        #56
                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                        All but beaten ? By that time Russians have already turned the tide of war.

                        They would have won either way. With or without these "supplies".
                        Did you ever get to watch the acclaimed award-winning series "The world at war"? It was a multi-installment ongoing series of one-hour episodes from back in the 70's based on actual war footage and interviews with vets, survivors and from official records of the WWII era. I watched every episode, and the subsequent reruns over and over.

                        Back in my early teens I was fascinated with the subject actually.

                        Believe me, if I thought for a second you were right, I would say so. But from what I know of it, there was a time when the Russian army had vanished into the east and was looking to regroup. It is of that time that I speak, and it is of that time that they needed (and recieved) a good portion of the help you say they didn't need. Sorry, but on this you are flat-out wrong.

                        Other than that you are right, their accomplishment was incredible. I don't particularly like what they chose to do after the war, annexing countries and putting up walls and the like, but to try and suggest that they were some golden force that liberated the universe is ludicrous at best.
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                          • DarkJedi
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                            • Feb 2001
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                            #57
                            Originally posted by xxxjay
                            German surrendered on the 8th (last week)...Stalin, whose ego was much too huge, insisted on a separate surrender on the 9th.

                            I know my WW2 facts. Don't fuck with me.
                            Germany surrendered at night of May 8th - 23:01 Central European Time (00:01 Moscow Time, May 9th)

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                              • theking
                                Nice Kitty
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 21053
                                #58
                                Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                You would have ended up totally OWNED.




                                While Allies were fighting scrap, Russians were facing the most battle able forces. Kursk permanently burned out the Panzer divisions.
                                The Germans lost approximately 300 tanks during the Battle of Kursk...this from 2700 tanks at their disposal...and this from the more than 46 thousand tanks Germany produced from 1940-1945. BTW...the Soviets lost approximately the same number of tanks. So...no the Panzer Divisions were not..."permanently burned out".
                                Last edited by theking; 05-09-2005, 03:17 PM.
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                                  • Rich
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                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 11486
                                    #59
                                    CDSmith, no offense dude, but you can't have a firm understanding of WWII because you watched a couple documentaries. That's like people who watch CNN a couple hours a night thinking that they understand politics.

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                                      • DarkJedi
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                                        • Feb 2001
                                        • 28301
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by theking
                                        The Germans lost approximately 300 tanks during the Battle of Kursk...this from 2700 tanks at their disposal...and this from the more than 46 thousand tanks Germany produced from 1940-1945. BTW...the Soviets lost approximately the same number of tanks. So...no the Panzer Divisions were not..."permanently burned out".
                                        Organizational strength of Panzer divisions TO&E changed from a high of ~300 AFVs (1940) to 125 AFVs (1944). Paper strength of 1945 Panzer divisions was 25 AFV.

                                        From 1940-44 German monthly AFV production hovered in the 50 machines areans.

                                        The Krauts were totally boar hogged by '43-44.

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                                          • GatorB
                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 18208
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by xxxjay
                                            It was actually last week and the only reason that we didn't take Berlin ourselves it that that Eisenhower felt enough Americans had died in the war. The Germans begged to a full surrender to us, but we let Russia savage them...Russia also was also under the command of Stalin at the time, who acually murdered around 43 million of his own people (7 or 8) times what Hitler did.
                                            Actually Ike let the USSR be aprt of a german surrender because we were stilla t war with Japan and he had hoped that by us letting the USSR be a part of the surrender they would help us with Japan.

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                                              • tony299
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                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 57021
                                                #62
                                                america couldnt have won the without russia and 50 million russians died in ww2

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                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                    • 30307
                                                    #63
                                                    When idiots collide...

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                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 11913
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                        Russia had already decisively won all four of the major battles which crushed the German war making capability:

                                                        1) Gates of Moscow Dec 41
                                                        2) Stalingrad Feb 43
                                                        3) Kursk Jun 43
                                                        4) Crushing Army Group Central Jan 44

                                                        The Russians had 225 divisions with 22 armored divisions under Koniev and Zhukov in 1945 and were facing the best the Germans could muster.

                                                        And the Russians just rolled the Krauts over..

                                                        why was leningrad under seige for 3 years (900 something days) with residents starving daily and forced to cannibalism to survive?
                                                        Last edited by Pleasurepays; 05-09-2005, 03:32 PM.

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                                                          • DarkJedi
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                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 28301
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                            When idiots collide...
                                                            stfu and go back to sleep.

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                                                              • gxer
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                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 846
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                Did you ever get to watch the acclaimed award-winning series "The world at war"? It was a multi-installment ongoing series of one-hour episodes from back in the 70's based on actual war footage and interviews with vets, survivors and from official records of the WWII era. I watched every episode, and the subsequent reruns over and over.

                                                                Back in my early teens I was fascinated with the subject actually.

                                                                Believe me, if I thought for a second you were right, I would say so. But from what I know of it, there was a time when the Russian army had vanished into the east and was looking to regroup. It is of that time that I speak, and it is of that time that they needed (and recieved) a good portion of the help you say they didn't need. Sorry, but on this you are flat-out wrong.

                                                                Other than that you are right, their accomplishment was incredible. I don't particularly like what they chose to do after the war, annexing countries and putting up walls and the like, but to try and suggest that they were some golden force that liberated the universe is ludicrous at best.
                                                                USSR would win in this war anyways with or without help from US, it was only matter of another few K of dead people and we all know it wasn't a prob for Stalin.
                                                                Though, for some reason, i'm sure that US people would start to help USSR 2 years before they did it, but US gov decided it only in 1944
                                                                And US nation not killed millions of jews like it was done in Europe just to show their tolerance for Hitler.

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                                                                  • DarkJedi
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                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                    • 28301
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                    why was leningrad under seige for 3 years (900 something days) with residents starving daily and forced into cannibalism?
                                                                    Because the war was going on ?
                                                                    What the fuck is the point of your question ?

                                                                    The point of this thread is that Russians won all major WW2 battles and actually broke the Nazi Germany.

                                                                    With or without "help" - they would have won either way.

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                                                                      • theking
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                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                        • 21053
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                        The Germans lost approximately 300 tanks during the Battle of Kursk...this from 2700 tanks at their disposal...and this from the more than 46 thousand tanks Germany produced from 1940-1945. BTW...the Soviets lost approximately the same number of tanks. So...no the Panzer Divisions were not..."permanently burned out".
                                                                        In addition...even though the General in charge of Operation Zitadelle wanted to re-engage...assuring Hilter that they would totally defeat the Soviets in the second battle (he was probably correct...since the Soviet losses (850,0000) in men and material during the battle far exceeded German losses (100,000). The Soviets had lost 50% of their available tanks.
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                                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 11913
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                            Because the war was going on ?
                                                                            What the fuck is the point of your question ?

                                                                            The point of this thread is that Russians won all major WW2 battles and actually broke the Nazi Germany.

                                                                            With or without "help" - they would have won either way.
                                                                            the point of my question is that Russia suffered massive losses and it was not so simple as you are trying to make it out to be. russia was nothing more than a military dinosaur when they were invaded with calvery vs tanks. with outdated artillery vs. the best in the world... with no airforce vs the best airforce in the world. russias achievement was that they turned their own situation around astoundingly fast and got great results.... but not before mounting massive losses.

                                                                            dont forget the role that winter played in all this.

                                                                            with or without help they would have won either way because Stalin was more than willing to produce 1 unarmed teenage soldier to be thrown help helplessly at every bullet the Germans produced. it was just a numbers game.

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                                                                              • wedouglas
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                • 5921
                                                                                #70
                                                                                what was the nazi capital? berlin or nuernberg?

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                                                                                  • theking
                                                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 21053
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                    america couldnt have won the without russia and 50 million russians died in ww2
                                                                                    The majority of Soviet losses were civilians...but the Soviet military did lose something like 13 plus million compared to the USA's less than 300 thousand.
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                                                                                      • theking
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                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                        • 21053
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                        In addition...even though the General in charge of Operation Zitadelle wanted to re-engage...assuring Hilter that they would totally defeat the Soviets in the second battle (he was probably correct...since the Soviet losses (850,0000) in men and material during the battle far exceeded German losses (100,000). The Soviets had lost 50% of their available tanks.
                                                                                        I left off the part where Hitler absolutely refused the advice of his General/Generals as he was prone to do...which enraged the CG of Operation Zitadelle.
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                                                                                          • DarkJedi
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                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 28301
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                            In addition...even though the General in charge of Operation Zitadelle wanted to re-engage...assuring Hilter that they would totally defeat the Soviets in the second battle (he was probably correct...since the Soviet losses (850,0000) in men and material during the battle far exceeded German losses (100,000). The Soviets had lost 50% of their available tanks.

                                                                                            ROFL ! Where are pulling your facts from ?

                                                                                            Battle of Kursk:
                                                                                            German forces - 570,000
                                                                                            Russian Forces ~ 1 million.

                                                                                            Fight for Kursk involved the largest tank battle in history, a total of 6,000 tanks, and the German loss of approximately 3,000.
                                                                                            The Germans army impaled themselves on Russian defenses 165 kilometres deep.

                                                                                            The German attack lasted for four days before stiff resistance stopped it. The Russians counterattacked and began to reverse the German gains.

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                                                                                              • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 28301
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                the point of my question is that Russia suffered massive losses and it was not so simple as you are trying to make it out to be.
                                                                                                I never disputed these facts.

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                                                                                                  • theking
                                                                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                    • 21053
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                    ROFL ! Where are pulling your facts from ?

                                                                                                    Battle of Kursk:
                                                                                                    German forces - 570,000
                                                                                                    Russian Forces ~ 1 million.

                                                                                                    Fight for Kursk involved the largest tank battle in history, a total of 6,000 tanks, and the German loss of approximately 3,000.
                                                                                                    The Germans army impaled themselves on Russian defenses 165 kilometres deep.

                                                                                                    The German attack lasted for four days before stiff resistance stopped it. The Russians counterattacked and began to reverse the German gains.
                                                                                                    Here is one source...there are others with various accounts.

                                                                                                    http://zhukov.mitsi.com/Kursk.htm
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                                                                                                      • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        and after Kusrk followed Bagration, where the Russians ripped through 40 German divisions in 40 days or whatever, and then just stopped outside Warsaw. So it was quite a change in momentum.

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                                                                                                          • Drake
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                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                            • 12508
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            It was the result of a concerted effort by many nations.... the reasons for those nations involvement is varied... but primarily for self preservation against what was an obviously aggressive and powerful force that would eventually attempt to overthrow all nations if drastic measures of resistance weren't made.

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                                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                CDSmith, no offense dude, but you can't have a firm understanding of WWII because you watched a couple documentaries. That's like people who watch CNN a couple hours a night thinking that they understand politics.
                                                                                                                Well you're right but that's not what I was saying. What I said was that I had studied WWII history for years, and mentioned particularly my early teens and in watching that series on TV. I didn't say that that was my only base of knowledge, and why you would think that is beyond me. Are you in the habit of learning about something and then never learning anything further about it? I'm not. I'm 42 and still learning about things, history etc.
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                                                                                                                  • Rich
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 11486
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                    Well you're right but that's not what I was saying. What I said was that I had studied WWII history for years, and mentioned particularly my early teens and in watching that series on TV. I didn't say that that was my only base of knowledge, and why you would think that is beyond me. Are you in the habit of learning about something and then never learning anything further about it? I'm not. I'm 42 and still learning about things, history etc.

                                                                                                                    I would think that because of your post. You referenced that movie as at least the primary example of where your information was coming from. I apologize if I was mistaken, but that's what it sounded like when I read your post.

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                                                                                                                      • CDSmith
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                        • 51460
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                        Because the war was going on ?
                                                                                                                        The point of this thread is that Russians won all major WW2 battles and actually broke the Nazi Germany.
                                                                                                                        Just plain wrong, but that's okay.... you have a right to be wrong.

                                                                                                                        There were significant battles in N. Africa..... no Russians involved in beating Rommel there.

                                                                                                                        The famed "Battle of Britain" ..... no Russian involvement there.

                                                                                                                        Battle of the bulge...... western front, no Russian influence there.

                                                                                                                        Battle for Sicily.... no Ruskies.

                                                                                                                        Invasion of Italy...... zero Russian participation.



                                                                                                                        You talk as though you have all the answers DJ.... I'll give you that much. And again, I'm not trying to diminish in any way the incredible accomplishment of the Russian forces..... but without the combined allied naval forces fighting the nazi subs and warships, without our air force fighting the luftwaffe, keeping their Afrika corps at bay, etc etc..... there is no way Russia or any other single country could have defeated the germans.

                                                                                                                        Sorry, your accounting is full of holes.
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                                                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                            • May 2001
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                            I would think that because of your post. You referenced that movie as at least the primary example of where your information was coming from. I apologize if I was mistaken, but that's what it sounded like when I read your post.
                                                                                                                            I brought that series up not to support my own position so much as because in several episodes it went into great detail on the Russian front, the retreat, the defeats, the "scorched earth" policy... the siege of Leningrad, and how the Russian forces were able to regroup themselves. You would have had to see that series to know what great detail they went into. It was no mere "documentary", and I'm surprised you weren't glued to the TV back then watching it as well. It was about as far from CNN as it gets.
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                                                                                                                              • mockingbich
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                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                • 274
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by hilly
                                                                                                                                OK, shall we speak our minds?
                                                                                                                                Who is the great hero of ww2? Yes, its Great Britain. England.
                                                                                                                                Because it is surrounded by water.It stood alone against nazi tyranny
                                                                                                                                It asked the Yanks for help when Hitler was invadig Europe with his Nazis.
                                                                                                                                Did they help England? No. They didn't want to get involved.
                                                                                                                                But then came Pearl Harbour. And they were fucked and had to join the war.
                                                                                                                                The Brits had plenty of time to deal with Hitler when he was just a small threat. They could have invaded Germany while the Nazi army was busy in Poland. But instead the British army sat in France with their thumbs up their ass. It's pretty trendy on the other side of the pond to blame America for getting into the war too late... But do ya'll remember Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" Bullshit and the big swim from Dunkirk

                                                                                                                                When it comes to Hitler EVERYBODY WAS GUILTY. America got into the war too late...and so did everybody else

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                                                                                                                                  • mockingbich
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                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 274
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                    With hindsight Patton was right...we should have engaged the Soviets.

                                                                                                                                    FYI...the number of Divisions is not necessarily important. The size of the Division is important (not all militaries have the same number of warm bodies in a Division). The types of Divisions are important...Infantry...Armor...Artillary. The type of armanent in a Division are important (not all militaries arm their Divisions the same).

                                                                                                                                    FYI the US and Great Britain alone...from 1940 to 1945 had more than 60 million (22 million Great Britain...38 million USA) men in uniform compared to the Soviets 48,000,000...so I would say that the Soviets had more than a little assist.
                                                                                                                                    Damn straight Patton was right

                                                                                                                                    We should have threatened the russians with nuclear weapons and told them to get the hell out of Eastern Europe.

                                                                                                                                    Funny thing is now most americans really like Russians... I love Russian girls in particular... long legged beauties

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                                                                                                                                      • smack
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                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 10652
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                        The Russians had 225 divisions with 22 armored divisions under Koniev and Zhukov in 1945 and were facing the best the Germans could muster.
                                                                                                                                        russia had their advantage because hitler largely ignored the eastern front. he had mustered most of his might for his push to the coast to capture alied fuel depots. which became known as the battle of the bulge. this action forced him to expend valuable resources he could have used in defense of berlin.
                                                                                                                                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                                                                          • Rich
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                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 11486
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                            I brought that series up not to support my own position so much as because in several episodes it went into great detail on the Russian front, the retreat, the defeats, the "scorched earth" policy... the siege of Leningrad, and how the Russian forces were able to regroup themselves. You would have had to see that series to know what great detail they went into. It was no mere "documentary", and I'm surprised you weren't glued to the TV back then watching it as well. It was about as far from CNN as it gets.
                                                                                                                                            ........
                                                                                                                                            Last edited by Rich; 05-09-2005, 06:04 PM.

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                                                                                                                                              • Rich
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                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 11486
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                I brought that series up not to support my own position so much as because in several episodes it went into great detail on the Russian front, the retreat, the defeats, the "scorched earth" policy... the siege of Leningrad, and how the Russian forces were able to regroup themselves. You would have had to see that series to know what great detail they went into. It was no mere "documentary", and I'm surprised you weren't glued to the TV back then watching it as well. It was about as far from CNN as it gets.
                                                                                                                                                I have seen that movie, I rarely watch TV, and I didn't say it was anything like CNN.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Odin88
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Yes, lets all thank Stalin for defeating evil in Europe lol.

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                                                                                                                                                        May 13-19.

                                                                                                                                                        In Europe, the Nazi threat is all but gone as the "Big 3" nations begin to tackle the problem of restructuring the shattered continent. In the Pacific, the situation in Okinawa has turned into a bloody stalemate between the Americans and Japanese. Meanwhile, significant progress is being made in overcoming the enemy in the Philippines. The US also continues to soften the enemy's defenses on mainland Japan. In the US, shocking evidence of a Japanese/German bombmaking alliance ends up on the shores of New Hampshire--a timely and valuable discovery for the United States government and its atomic bomb project. Join us for another gripping hour of our series that takes a week-by-week look at the end of World War Two.
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                                                                                                                                                        Fighting on Okinawa intensifies as the Japanese begin their retreat. Enemy forces on the island of Borneo send hundreds of Australian and British soldiers on a death march across the island, while US forces continue to wipe out scattered opposition on the Philippines. In Europe, British troops oversee the transfer of thousands of Nazi sympathizers from Russia to Yugoslavia. And the continent's food shortage is now a top priority in Washington. In this episode of our week-by-week overview of the closing months of WWII, we'll profile US General Simon Bolivar Buckner and highlight the P-51 Mustang escort fighter.
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                                                                                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                                                            I have seen that movie, I rarely watch TV, and I didn't say it was anything like CNN.
                                                                                                                                                            Wasn't a movie though. It was a weekly series that went on for many weeks. I don't know exactly how many, but it was a lot, like 20 or 30 at least. It covered WWII from beginning to end in great detail, won several awards. Was one of my fav shows as a kid.
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                                                                                                                                                              • aeon
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Odin88
                                                                                                                                                                Yes, lets all thank Stalin for defeating evil in Europe lol.
                                                                                                                                                                Finally some logic...and let's not forget those holy Soviets would have sit quietly and watched Europe raped and collected the spoils had it not been for barbarossa.

                                                                                                                                                                Such a lovely bunch they were. That whole molotov-ribbentrop pact and all. That interesting little agreement that the holy Soviets will sit quietly by and allow Hitler to conquer Europe as long as the Russians get the east?

                                                                                                                                                                The Soviets saved the world...everyone should be thankful that Stalin decided to defend the Soviet Union against Hitler's breach of the non aggression pact. The stuff fuckin' heroes and legends are made of right there.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Odin88
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by aeon
                                                                                                                                                                    Finally some logic...and let's not forget those holy Soviets would have sit quietly and watched Europe raped and collected the spoils had it not been for barbarossa.

                                                                                                                                                                    Such a lovely bunch they were. That whole molotov-ribbentrop pact and all. That interesting little agreement that the holy Soviets will sit quietly by and allow Hitler to conquer Europe as long as the Russians get the east?

                                                                                                                                                                    The Soviets saved the world...everyone should be thankful that Stalin decided to defend the Soviet Union against Hitler's breach of the non aggression pact. The stuff fuckin' heroes and legends are made of right there.
                                                                                                                                                                    Not to mention that Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. Not as if it makes either less evil, but praising the Soviet Union and Stalin is like worshipping the devil.

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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Odin88
                                                                                                                                                                        Not to mention that Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. Not as if it makes either less evil, but praising the Soviet Union and Stalin is like worshipping the devil.
                                                                                                                                                                        I'll make sure to thanks them on the 60th aniversery of the Cuban missle crisis as well.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • PenisFace
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                                                                                                                                                                            Don't forget Canada you fuckers, we liberated Holland. And just so I can fit in, I'll also defend my countries honour. All other countries in ww2 were not needed, Canada could have won hands down. You all suck, Russia was stupid and lost 27 million, US was stupid and hid until they absolutly had to join, britian is just full of gays, who cares about britian? Canada for life, children.

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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Odin88
                                                                                                                                                                                Not to mention that Stalin killed more innocent people than Hitler did. Not as if it makes either less evil, but praising the Soviet Union and Stalin is like worshipping the devil.
                                                                                                                                                                                What about praising the Russian soldiers who were given a rifle and told to charge a machine gun? "Go comrade, and if you retreat, I'll kill you!".
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by PenisFace
                                                                                                                                                                                    What about praising the Russian soldiers who were given a rifle and told to charge a machine gun? "Go comrade, and if you retreat, I'll kill you!".
                                                                                                                                                                                    during May in Russia (celebrating Victory Day), they always show a lot of WWII movies - many of them show kids charging down machine guns without weapons and ammo - with their own officers behind them with machine guns trained on them, to kill them if they don't continue forward.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                                                        thank them.


                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL. You got to be joking. We let them have it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Rich
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PenisFace
                                                                                                                                                                                            What about praising the Russian soldiers who were given a rifle and told to charge a machine gun? "Go comrade, and if you retreat, I'll kill you!".

                                                                                                                                                                                            American soldiers who don't obey orders during a war get cake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                                                                                                                                COMUNISM HAS ONLY KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE...


                                                                                                                                                                                                LETS GIVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE!


                                                                                                                                                                                                and the catholic church has killed 680 million people (not to mention all the peodofilia)! Funnily enough people seem to dislike communism more for some reason.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Russia did well in the war, and if it weren't for them the war would either have ended by Germany winning, or the war actually taking 5 years longer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                It is funny how Americans always expect forever lasting gratitude from Europeans for saving us from the nazis, but they can't for example say a good thing for the French that helped them gain their indipendence...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Superterrorizer
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    (This is partially in response to the retard who said Communism killed 100 million people)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I believe Stalin once said: The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    That should give you a little bit of insight in how much Stalin cared about his own people. Not that I could give a fuck, I'm just saying.



                                                                                                                                                                                                    Communism didn't kill the Russians, Stalin did. The Soviet death toll would have been considerably lower if the men doing the fighting fought under the same circumstances and guidance the Western Allies did. If you were a Russian in WW2, you probably had German guns pointing at you in on direction, and your commanding officers gun pointing at your head in the other. (At least that's how it works in the WW2 video games I play, and by juding from some posts in this thread so of you consider WW2 shooters a history lesson)


                                                                                                                                                                                                    Japan was responsible for the deaths of at least 15 million innocent people during WW2. Why don't you ever hear about those deaths? Because the ethnic Chinese don't run Hollywood. (Just kidding, but not really)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    You don't hear people crying about how "EMPIRES KILLED 15 MILLION PEOPLE" How many people died during the Vietnam war? You don't hear people saying "DEMOCRACY KILLED ALL THOSE VIETNAMESE".

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Why? Because people kill people, political ideologies just give those in power the means to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just look at Canada. They've been communists since the Tommy Douglas days, but the only thing they're guilty of killing are baby seals.

















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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is one source...there are others with various accounts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://zhukov.mitsi.com/Kursk.htm
                                                                                                                                                                                                        by 1944, 90% of all German forces were fighting the Russians on the Eastern Front and 10% fighting allies on the Western Fromn (D-day)


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