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  • DamageX
    Marketing & Strategy
    • Jun 2001
    • 14293
    #1

    If you run trading sites, you're fucked

    I've known about this thing happening for long, always suspected a few trades for doing it. Looks like someone outside adult made an effort and documented it:

    http://www.webhelper4u.com/CWS/cwshotoffers41105.html
    Whitehat is for chumps

    If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!
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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204
      #2
      A trojan?

      Am i missing something?

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        • Dirty F
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2001
          • 59204
          #3
          Welcome to the intraweb.

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            • DamageX
              Marketing & Strategy
              • Jun 2001
              • 14293
              #4
              Originally posted by Franck
              Welcome to the intraweb.
              I bet you're REALLY proud of those intelligent comments.
              Whitehat is for chumps

              If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204
                  #5
                  I bet youre really proud you just found out about trojans and make a topic title like you just did.

                  If they would be fucked because of this this wouldve happened 5 years ago already.

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                    • jawanda
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6040
                      #6
                      Edit: Nevermind, I get it now. Well you're only fucked it you trade with dishonest bastards right? Who wants to trade with those assholes anyway.
                      Last edited by jawanda; 04-29-2005, 12:28 AM.

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                        • DamageX
                          Marketing & Strategy
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 14293
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Franck
                          I bet youre really proud you just found out about trojans and make a topic title like you just did.

                          If they would be fucked because of this this wouldve happened 5 years ago already.
                          I'm not proud, I'm just trying to make the life easier for webmasters who run trading sites, like I do. I'm sure you get a kick out of posting crap just to up your worthless postcount, but please, this is a serious thread, get the fuck out of it.

                          Originally posted by jawanda
                          Edit: Nevermind, I get it now. Well you're only fucked it you trade with dishonest bastards right? Who wants to trade with those assholes anyway.
                          1. How do you know who's a dishonest bastard? Some of the worst cheaters I've busted were the nicest people on ICQ.
                          2. What if the honest ones you trade with will pass on the hitbot traffic to you?
                          Whitehat is for chumps

                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                            • FireFoz
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 480
                              #8
                              The amount of cheaters in this scene is getting higher and higher. On my tgps 95% of the submissions i get change after the submission or "skim" (like an x amount of traffic goes to a dialer or something).
                              Its so lame, but unfortunally it is very hard to do something against it... only list your own galleries helps.

                              Now this is something else, i think the oly solution is to pick your own trades through icq etc and friends and not have an open signup for for trades at your tgp.

                              Still then you can get affected of course..

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                                • jayeff
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 2944
                                  #9
                                  Bloody amazing that someone posts info which will be a heads up for some who are already being botted and a warning to others to take some precautions, and the main reaction is smart-ass sig placements...

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                                    • Dagwolf
                                      President of Canada
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 23141
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by jayeff
                                      Bloody amazing that someone posts info which will be a heads up for some who are already being botted and a warning to others to take some precautions, and the main reaction is smart-ass sig placements...
                                      Hey, it helps keep the message in front of the people!

                                      See sig!
                                      Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                        • DamageX
                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                          • Jun 2001
                                          • 14293
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by FireFoz
                                          The amount of cheaters in this scene is getting higher and higher. On my tgps 95% of the submissions i get change after the submission or "skim" (like an x amount of traffic goes to a dialer or something).
                                          Its so lame, but unfortunally it is very hard to do something against it... only list your own galleries helps.

                                          Now this is something else, i think the oly solution is to pick your own trades through icq etc and friends and not have an open signup for for trades at your tgp.

                                          Still then you can get affected of course..
                                          I'd say if the sponsors took a stand and didn't allow traffic from sites running exploits, it would be a great start. Still, many sponsors will pay you to run exploit-like toolbars and other shit...
                                          Whitehat is for chumps

                                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                            • FireFoz
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2002
                                              • 480
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                              I'd say if the sponsors took a stand and didn't allow traffic from sites running exploits, it would be a great start. Still, many sponsors will pay you to run exploit-like toolbars and other shit...

                                              Yeah, ppl do anything for money Too bad they are fucking up the biz for everybody else meanwhile.

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                                                • alias
                                                  aliasx
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 19010
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by DamageX
                                                  I'd say if the sponsors took a stand and didn't allow traffic from sites running exploits, it would be a great start. Still, many sponsors will pay you to run exploit-like toolbars and other shit...

                                                  SPONSORS CARE!
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                                                    • jayeff
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 2944
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by FireFoz
                                                      Now this is something else, i think the oly solution is to pick your own trades through icq etc and friends and not have an open signup for for trades at your tgp.
                                                      That's only a partial solution. Check out the sites in "tlist.dat" that this one guy is botting... there are several there big enough that their traffic gets everywhere.

                                                      I'm not enough of a coder to know whether this particular bot can go more than one level deep, but there are plenty around which can. Thanks to them, although you can avoid the worst effects by picking your trades carefully, you still end up trading bot traffic. You get it from honest trades and pass it on just as innocently.

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                                                        • DamageX
                                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 14293
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by alias
                                                          SPONSORS CARE!
                                                          Of course they care. About their own pockets.
                                                          Whitehat is for chumps

                                                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                            • FireFoz
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                              • 480
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by jayeff
                                                              That's only a partial solution. Check out the sites in "tlist.dat" that this one guy is botting... there are several there big enough that their traffic gets everywhere.

                                                              I'm not enough of a coder to know whether this particular bot can go more than one level deep, but there are plenty around which can. Thanks to them, although you can avoid the worst effects by picking your trades carefully, you still end up trading bot traffic. You get it from honest trades and pass it on just as innocently.
                                                              Yes you are right, the traffic can go over multiple trades... so you should trade with sites that are honest and also trade with honest sites
                                                              but hey thats hard to find and make sure they are honest...
                                                              its all sad

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                                                                • DamageX
                                                                  Marketing & Strategy
                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                  • 14293
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by FireFoz
                                                                  Yes you are right, the traffic can go over multiple trades... so you should trade with sites that are honest and also trade with honest sites
                                                                  but hey thats hard to find and make sure they are honest...
                                                                  its all sad
                                                                  I'm finding this very hard to implement as well. A month ago or so a bunch of us posted info on here and we help bust a big MGP cheater league. Or at least so we thought. I see BIG sites still trading with them, many people unaware about the fact that they're cheaters. I see people trading big with sites that trade big with the cheaters. They argue that they don't get hitbot traffic that way. Well, guess what, they're helping the hitbotters stay up, if they trade with sites which they hitbot, since those sites still have legit traffic which the cheaters can suck away.
                                                                  Whitehat is for chumps

                                                                  If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                                    • FireFoz
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                      • 480
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                      I'm finding this very hard to implement as well. A month ago or so a bunch of us posted info on here and we help bust a big MGP cheater league. Or at least so we thought. I see BIG sites still trading with them, many people unaware about the fact that they're cheaters. I see people trading big with sites that trade big with the cheaters. They argue that they don't get hitbot traffic that way. Well, guess what, they're helping the hitbotters stay up, if they trade with sites which they hitbot, since those sites still have legit traffic which the cheaters can suck away.
                                                                      yeah you are right... i think its almost impossible to get around this problem

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                                                                        • DamageX
                                                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 14293
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by FireFoz
                                                                          yeah you are right... i think its almost impossible to get around this problem
                                                                          Well, it's not impossible, nothing is impossible. But if we, the webmasters, are to do this alone, without any support from sponsors, it sure as hell is hard to do. It'd take a hell of a long time to contact ALL trades EVERY time some new fucking cheater comes around... One of my clients was seriously considering blocking all Russian IP's, since 99% of the cheating webmasters who sign up for trades originate from Russia. I've always been tolerant towards people and thought everyone deserves a fair chance, but with so few honest Russian webmasters, I'm starting to think his idea wasn't so bad after all. It'd sure as hell save me a lot of headache...
                                                                          Whitehat is for chumps

                                                                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                                            • Tipsy
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 6989
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                              They argue that they don't get hitbot traffic that way.
                                                                              They're also wrong. If the hitbot hasn't been written by a 5yr old it'll certainly be going deep enough to visit their site and in all probability sites they trade with too. Have to love the idiots who can't see the wood for the trees.

                                                                              Still - at least your intelligent enough to know about it so you can avoid many of them. Pain in the ass though.
                                                                              Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                                                • zentz
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                  • 8062
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  hey my domain is listed there ? wtf ?
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                                                                                    • fris
                                                                                      I have to go potty
                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 55814
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                      I've known about this thing happening for long, always suspected a few trades for doing it. Looks like someone outside adult made an effort and documented it:

                                                                                      http://www.webhelper4u.com/CWS/cwshotoffers41105.html

                                                                                      thats why. i only trade with trusted people, usally only from thinkreel. or i have signup on, but disabled. cause a bunch of assclowns signup and send to trojans. espcially if you list on findtrades.
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                                                                                        • zentz
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                          • 8062
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          ok so my site is listed on that tlist.dat , will someone explain me what does that mean and what steps should i make ?
                                                                                          Programs that owe me money ---- Epassporte.com ~ $2700 | Protraffic.com ~ $2600 | XonDemand.com ~ $3000

                                                                                          Email: [email protected]

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                                                                                            • Quotealex
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                                              • 6265
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                              I'm finding this very hard to implement as well. A month ago or so a bunch of us posted info on here and we help bust a big MGP cheater league. Or at least so we thought. I see BIG sites still trading with them, many people unaware about the fact that they're cheaters. I see people trading big with sites that trade big with the cheaters. They argue that they don't get hitbot traffic that way. Well, guess what, they're helping the hitbotters stay up, if they trade with sites which they hitbot, since those sites still have legit traffic which the cheaters can suck away.
                                                                                              Some, if not many, sites with a public counter pretty much only care on the amount of hits they get so that they can rank higher on the counter list and maybe sell links/ads. They dont care if they are being hitbot and as long as it is not too noticeable and doesn't decrease their traffic, they will continue to trade with these sites that have sophisticated bots......

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                                                                                                • spacemonk
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                  • 969
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by zentz
                                                                                                  ok so my site is listed on that tlist.dat , will someone explain me what does that mean and what steps should i make ?
                                                                                                  It means you are fucked, run now!
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                                                                                                    • slapass
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                      • 14625
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      adult friend finder is on there too.

                                                                                                      " adultfriendfinder.com"

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                                                                                                        • Dalai lama
                                                                                                          Strength and Honor
                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 16540
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                          adult friend finder is on there too.

                                                                                                          " adultfriendfinder.com"
                                                                                                          How sad.

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                                                                                                            • Terenzo
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                              • 971
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              more and more people do hard coded link trades only.
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                                                                                                                • HairToStay
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 1521
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by zentz
                                                                                                                  ok so my site is listed on that tlist.dat , will someone explain me what does that mean and what steps should i make ?
                                                                                                                  .htaccess and block them.
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                                                                                                                    • DamageX
                                                                                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                      • 14293
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                                      thats why. i only trade with trusted people, usally only from thinkreel. or i have signup on, but disabled. cause a bunch of assclowns signup and send to trojans. espcially if you list on findtrades.
                                                                                                                      That will limit the damage, but will not keep you safe.
                                                                                                                      Whitehat is for chumps

                                                                                                                      If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                                                                                        • webgurl
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                          • 7954
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by zentz
                                                                                                                          ok so my site is listed on that tlist.dat , will someone explain me what does that mean and what steps should i make ?
                                                                                                                          none of my sites are listed there but i trade with several of them , what does that list mean anyway i am curious ?

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                                                                                                                            • fireorange
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                              • 1648
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by webgurl
                                                                                                                              none of my sites are listed there but i trade with several of them , what does that list mean anyway i am curious ?
                                                                                                                              The trojan/virus/spyware/whatever hitbots those sites and possibly the hitbot traffic gets passed onto the trades, hence affecting your site.

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                                                                                                                                • HairToStay
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 1521
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  What sucks is my domain is on that list so I'm being blacklisted all over the place, but the day they began hitbotting me, I put them in .htaccess so they have never been able to reach the site again.
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