DRM in a paysite members area. Good or Bad?

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  • Blaze
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 298

    #1

    DRM in a paysite members area. Good or Bad?

    Anyone have any experience? Does adding DRM actually increase retention? Or just piss off your members?
  • FreeHugeMovies
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2001
    • 14141

    #2
    Yes it pisses them off

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    • bigdog
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2001
      • 6964

      #3
      bump la bump

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      • pstation
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2003
        • 1135

        #4
        i hate it, i like being able to download all content within the 3 day trial or whatever and watch it whenever i want

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        • alan-l
          Confirmed User
          • May 2003
          • 2477

          #5
          it depends.

          General, non exclusive, saturated niches, it's good to have DRM, specially if you're using trials. We're working on software to give free trials with DRM for short lapses and then the non-DRM comes once the surfer becomes a full member

          on very specific niches, or niches with all exclusive content updated periodically, DRM is not needed, members retain just because of the updates and content

          if you've no idea about DRM, it's better to avoid it, it's a great thing if used in a creative way. If you just use DRM for your content "as is", better cross fingers

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          • alan-l
            Confirmed User
            • May 2003
            • 2477

            #6
            Originally posted by pstation
            i hate it, i like being able to download all content within the 3 day trial or whatever and watch it whenever i want
            then this is a webmaster board, not surfer's...

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            • pstation
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2003
              • 1135

              #7
              Originally posted by alan-l
              then this is a webmaster board, not surfer's...

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              • MickeyG
                Confirmed User
                • May 2004
                • 4134

                #8
                pstation just tell em your a webmaster like everyone else does

                I've done some research on drm and it seems alot people report customers complaining like crazy. I for one hate bitching customers so im holding off.

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                • billywatson
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 3281

                  #9
                  We only use it for the customer who's terrified of recurs to their credit card:

                  Payperscene is our one and (so far) only forray into this arena.

                  I Shoot Porn.

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                  • WarChild
                    Let slip the dogs of war.
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 17263

                    #10
                    Personally I think members dont like it.

                    Reality cash started with it, removed it, never looked back.
                    Xbang cash started with it, removed it.

                    There's a reason for that.
                    .

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                    • iBanker
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 2758

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WarChild
                      Personally I think members dont like it.

                      Reality cash started with it, removed it, never looked back.
                      Xbang cash started with it, removed it.

                      There's a reason for that.
                      yup. i heard the same thing. interesting concept though, there is an appeal to it from the progrmas side....
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                      • Kimmykim
                        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 16015

                        #12
                        It all depends on how you disclose to the members at the time of join. DRM is THE single best way to recover lost income from your members out there right now.

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                        • alan-l
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2003
                          • 2477

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kimmykim
                          DRM is THE single best way to recover lost income from your members out there right now.
                          well, I wouldn't go that further, but if you know what you're doing, it's quite good. yet not even close to a total solution, and far to be THE best way to recover lost income. It's just another way, nothing else

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                          • SomeCreep
                            :glugglug
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 26118

                            #14
                            Surfers hate it. Now just use basic logic, is it easier to sell a surfer something he loves, or something he hates?

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                            • Dirty F
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 59204

                              #15
                              If i would sign up for a site that doesnt clearly mention it uses drm for the member area i would ask for a refund and in the worst case do a cb.

                              Some claim it will be the future. I think the amount of pissed of surfers will make them think different in a year or so.

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                              • Kimmykim
                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 16015

                                #16
                                Originally posted by alan-l
                                well, I wouldn't go that further, but if you know what you're doing, it's quite good. yet not even close to a total solution, and far to be THE best way to recover lost income. It's just another way, nothing else
                                Everyone is entitled to their opinion

                                People tend to confuse DRM with content protection, imo.

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                                • aico
                                  Moo Moo Cow
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 14748

                                  #17
                                  I have never had a single complaint from a member about the DRM on any of my sites. I have had several complaints from people who were no longer members asking how come the videos didn't play anymore, which I loved to hear.

                                  I also use DRM on my free samples, let them get circulated for a few months, then start sending that traffic back to my site. Seen a lot of sign-ups from this.

                                  Also great for Payperview...

                                  the list goes on...

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                                  • Fukeneh
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 1245

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by aico
                                    I have never had a single complaint from a member about the DRM on any of my sites. I have had several complaints from people who were no longer members asking how come the videos didn't play anymore, which I loved to hear.

                                    I also use DRM on my free samples, let them get circulated for a few months, then start sending that traffic back to my site. Seen a lot of sign-ups from this.

                                    Also great for Payperview...

                                    the list goes on...
                                    very very interesting idea.

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                                    • keyboard warrior
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jul 2004
                                      • 1435

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pstation
                                      i hate it, i like being able to download all content within the 3 day trial or whatever and watch it whenever i want

                                      This is what all the fucking surfers do, and why trials suck!

                                      - nothing here -

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                                      • directfiesta
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 30176

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by keyboard warrior
                                        This is what all the fucking surfers do, and why trials suck!

                                        my trials are at $ US 8.95 or Euros 8.95 ....

                                        DRM is not well understood by surfers and will impact directly and negatively on your chargeback ratios ....
                                        Maybe it will be good in the future, but right now it is not a good idea
                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                        • naitirps
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2004
                                          • 761

                                          #21
                                          someone say DRM?
                                          KK is right, its the best way to recover lost income among many other things
                                          But then again its my market, so i say YA to DRM ;)
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                                          • pstation
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2003
                                            • 1135

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by keyboard warrior
                                            This is what all the fucking surfers do, and why trials suck!

                                            Perhaps putting in a data transfer limit would help, maybe 1GB/day can be downloaded while on the trial period

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                                            • bigdog
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2001
                                              • 6964

                                              #23
                                              i would think drm is a good idea especially if you offer full movie downloads. I see way too many sites with their full length exclusive movies on BearShare

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                                              • SGS
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 5176

                                                #24
                                                Needs to get a bit more userfriendly on the surfer side and a lot of sites would need to be using it to break the fears of the surfers. We would like to use it for various reasons as KK pointed out but have no plans to start "experimenting" with DRM until it gets a bit further down the line.
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                                                • bigdog
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 6964

                                                  #25
                                                  what sucks about drm is that they don't work for mac users

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