Its a free heaven for the surfers. I wanna make more money!
and yes, I am having a bad day
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I've been saying that for yrs... some people are giving away 4-6, 20 sec mgp movies and graphic pics... we're fucking ourselves in the long run. I don't do it
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Stop complaining. TGP Galleries with 4-6 20secs mpg movies are not that bad.
I mean, when they click your link, it goes to the paysite, with another 10-15 20secs mpg movie previews.
I don't see why you guys are even talking about this..
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No Shit !!!You Dun Goofed!Comment
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Um, how you guys ever going to compete with this?
http://babes.usefulidiot.com/
Bottom line is that sooner rather than later, you guys will be forced into a Napster style monthly fee where a surfer pays $30 a month to get almost all major sites. Not like sexkey or the other passes, but more like bearshare or napster.
It's happening to the music business, and will happen to the movie business (eventually). You guys are next in line.
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Everyone with a NON profit TGP; Shut it downOriginally posted by polish_aristocrat
Making galleries with no more than 10 images(or less).
NO 4-6, 20 sec mgp movies
No, actually I have NO idea! I just think that we are doing things wrong. But I guess there are poeple in this business that makes to much money this way.M&A QueenComment
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People have been saying it for years.Everybody and his brother has a TGPComment
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i agree the model is kinda wrong, TGP's should offer samples and not free good quality hardcore porn
TGP's probably hurt the converions in generall across the whole industry, but the top guys are making good money of them and all the n00bs want to be like themI don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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I fucking agree. It's too easy for hahahahas to get enough free stuff to jack off to. once they finish jacking off, they finish looking for porn. Damnit.Comment
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Ok, see your point. But what I'm saying is that we make a lot of money in this industry, but we could make WAY more if we changed the structure somehowOriginally posted by NoCarrierM&A QueenComment
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programs could pay less for sales generated from their hosted galleries ( or from TGP's in general ) than f.e from SE trafficOriginally posted by RockatanskyI don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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I have a blog where i post free 3-6 minute videos of teens/blondes and make more by offering mortgage offers and credit cards than i do by offering $1 trials. My friends know what i do and will ask for free porno every now and then and when they do i tell them to go to thehun and they always say it kicks ass
. Oh well, part of surviving is adapting. If we have to give surfers unlimited porn downloads (not streaming) for $10 a month then i guess thats what will have to be done.
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Stop whining and work instead
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I guess that would get rid of the huge amount of gallery submitters?! Theres is WAY to many of them.Originally posted by polish_aristocratM&A QueenComment
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Its too late for change. Surfers pretty much DEMAND free porn and if they don't get it from 1 tgp there are thousands of others they could go to. And if somehow all of those got shut down a thousand more would just pop up overnight. At this point free porn is pretty much the standard.Originally posted by RockatanskyComment
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its been like this for 3-4 years now.....
gfynicky @ gmail.comComment
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there is not enough free quality porn, thoughComment
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I'll add another thought... you can still make $$ if you have something different to offer. And I don't mean the typical, standard siteComment
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Originally posted by Nicky
That made me smile.
tripple those numbers...Comment
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Too much free porn has been a problem since about 1994.Originally posted by NickyComment
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I guess what you are saying is that its impossible to change it. And I guess I can agree. Everybody are just following the trends...Originally posted by hydroM&A QueenComment
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i don't really think there is any way you can change it now.
but look at it this way...considering how much free stuff there is it's amazing we get any sales at all. so it's not all that bad.Comment
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hehe... Positive thinking, positive thinking!Originally posted by MandyBlakeM&A QueenComment
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More sites like sexocean (watch for flames shortly lol)Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
One click goes to a gallery then the rest go to trades & start trying to auto-install stuff & come up with pop-ups. That's what a good marketing ploy should do, give them a chance to see something they might want to buy, then if they start freeloading do something else with them, send them to another site - but most tgp's have risen based on the exact opposite theory, by giving away as much for free as possible, encouraging potential buyers to become freeloaders.
I've also read of at least one of the major tgp owners post on GFY how sexocean was altering the prod on his site since some of his trades also trade with that site.... which means sites like this can and do affect other tgps with traded traffic - its bad for the other tgps (at least in the short term) but good for anyone else in the industry trying to make a sale.
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More Non Nude galleries, if they want to see pink get them to join!
Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn SitesComment
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Non-nude is a niche and it converts way better. But keep it a secretOriginally posted by cybermikeMore Non Nude galleries, if they want to see pink get them to join!
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I agree...there is to much free porn out there
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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
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I agree... but it's way too out of control to turn back now. I don't understand the logic behind it. A few samples on a tour or whatever are one thing... thousands of samples are a whole other thing. For DECADES Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc didn't give anything away and made billions. Then porn goes digital and someone has the notion that people now need to be convinced to buy porn. *SHaKeS HeaD*
Some people say, ride the wave... if you can't beat them, join them. Yeah, ok... I don't think so. There's still sales out there obviously... but how many more would there be if free porn was reduced and/or eliminated? We'll never know.Last edited by Furious_Female; 04-22-2005, 09:11 AM.Comment
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I guess that is the key question. Are we ready to try?Originally posted by Furious_Female Lets call all the paysites and tell them to reduse their free content for webmasters and fhg's!
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tgp porn is here to stay, why on earth would you want to get rid of it? anyone with a half decent exclusive product can make a killing off tgp traffic alone.
those with low end cookie cutter content are always the ones who complain about tgp, not sure if that is you or not but thats what i usually find.Comment
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We seriously cut back on the length of or tour trailers. It is about all we can do. If we cut back on the content affiliates CAN use in the affiliate area, affiliates would say we dont enough.Originally posted by RockatanskyI guess that is the key question. Are we ready to try? Lets call all the paysites and tell them to reduse their free content for webmasters and fhg's!
So it seems it is one of those "you can make everyone happy all of the time" things.
I agree there is too much free out there, we are diluting our own target market.www.JasonandAlex.com
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Well you've answered your own question, in a way - why on earth would anyone want to sell good and exclusive stuff when they could be making just as much (or likely much more) money selling nonexclusive material if the marketing environment was improved?Originally posted by MetaMan
VHS porn made a ton of cash from rehashing scenes of one video into another video, putting a new title on it, new box artwork, and reselling it - many times over - most buyers never complained because they had never seen the scenes before. If they had a way to see as much as possible for free all the time do you really think they'd have bought as much? But that's the TGP marketing environment.
There's a rather disturbing trend in this industry to constantly seek improved quality - at an unprofitable level - when most customers would be quite willing to crawl through a gutter to obtain items of lesser quality that could be produced much more profitably, were it not for people giving it all away on tgp and fusker and the like.
TGP and fusker are the same to a surfer; they only differ to webmasters...Comment
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i agree about the galleries posted on tgps
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- Unbelievable Ratio | High % of Rebills | Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte)
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I know and I agree. There are lots of money to be made out of tgp's. BUT would there be more money if we changed things a bit? Like cutting down the amount of pictures in the galleries or something?Originally posted by MetaManM&A QueenComment
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the best statement in this whole threadOriginally posted by Furious_Female
so funny, but so true of the ignorance and stupidity that is rampant in our industry
people don't need convincing to buy porn...and it is unfortunate that we have so many tgp's giving shit away cause the owners are too fucking stupid to think of other ways to make money
sorry, this is a touchy subject for me...I have made a damn nice living out of NEVER giving anything substantial away...my conversions are excellent, my sales are very nice...too bad other idiots can't think the same way
my conversions right now are 1:100 at the most on almost every page I have up selling shit...and these tgp idiots get happy when they get 1:1000 ratio...wtf is that shit? freeloader sites suck, if I had the chance, i would nuke them allComment
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Originally posted by Rockatansky
i work with tgps so i personally say no haha.
i know what you are saying the problem lies that there are TO MANY, with TO MANY webmasters who do not know shit about traffic.
some tgps traffic are mint: ie. pussy.org, richardsrealm, 89.com.
the traffic is full of credit card buyers, thus instead of having 50 marketing campaigns to get the same amount of signups you have a place with centralized buying traffic.
you should be asking the question, why the hell dont people filter traffic?
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vhs porn? try all major porn studios still do this with vhs and dvdOriginally posted by AmateurFlix
comping a porn scene is a standard practice in the video porn industry, it always will be...Comment
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Free porn is a problem, but people just doesnt put porn on there First To Buy List... its all about religion, you got to be a real open minded person to buy porn,.. thats my 2cents..
XXX passowrds etc 6ooo searches a day. go ´figure. but but but..
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I make more sales from tgps with nn galleries - Problem is many tgp owners will not list galleries unless they contain nudity (I suppose they want to jerk off to something, too)Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Nice thread, Rockatansky - Now give a link to some of your music - Sure many gfy'ers would like to listen to it.Comment
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most of the free porn on TGPs comes from the programs/sponsors... TGPs just list it, we dont make it...Comment
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Sex (and porn), booze, drugs, and gambling are a few things that never have a problem selling. Even through the worst economic times those things always have a market. Sex is the oldest profession and it will always be in demand. Unless of course it becomes so common place in society that people no longer have to charge for it or things related to it. Which I don't see ever happening.Originally posted by maxjohanFree porn is a problem, but people just doesnt put porn on there First To Buy List... its all about religion, you got to be a real open minded person to buy porn,.. thats my 2cents..
XXX passowrds etc 6ooo searches a day. go ´figure. but but but..
I have marketed adult for nearly 6 years and I don't give anything away. I don't own any sites, I send to affiliate programs, I don't show any nudity on my pages, and I still get more sales and better ratios than any TGP gallery ever could. Lets face it... most guys don't need very much to get off. Look at how softcore Playboy is and yet built an empire showing a minimum amount of nudity (compared to today's standards). Heck, there's probably enough free images/videos on GFY that any surfer could come here daily and never have to pay for porn again.Comment
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The most intelligent post in this thread. Period.Originally posted by the Shempwww.JasonandAlex.com
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Yes but if you were to apply what many tgp owners say of their own sites to that field, there's no money in doing that, they should get new exclusive content all the time LOL.Originally posted by JaceXXX
SE traffic is good for snaring those that don't know where to get free porn, or those who are looking for niche content.
Link Lists get SE traffic but make it somewhat difficult to browse; i.e., click on a link, go to a warning page with ads, go to a link page with more ads, got to the content pages with more ads, finally get to the content. Click the back button many many times to repeat the process and see something else.
Go figure the traffic converts well.
TGP shows it all with very few ads, usually no pop ups, opens the content page (with only 2 or 3 ads) in a new window that is easily closed, the surfer can scan the entire page in a few seconds to see if anything appeals to him and close the page & be on to the next gallery.
And why wouldn't they go on to the next gallery?
It's not like they have any reason to buy anything with hundreds of other links all placed together for them so conveniently.
Shovel 50,000 viewers or so through a site like that and maybe one of them will buy something. Maybe.
TGP would probably be vastly improved if site owners allowed pages with far fewer pictures, and allowed the jpg files to be on an html page with a banner. This isn't going to drive away any customers worth keeping; actually I tend to see the best sales from galleries just like that on my own TGPs.Comment
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hehe... Rockatansky - Return To Battle (Free mp3, now THATS rare these daysOriginally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
Yes I know, BUT many tgp's only accept galleries with > 15 pictures. Thats why most people create galleries with 15 images.Originally posted by the ShempLast edited by Violetta; 04-22-2005, 11:36 AM.M&A QueenComment
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