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Old 08-14-2006, 02:32 AM  
godisdead
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Originally Posted by dig420
This is really something your mother should have taught you a long time ago, but I'll give it a shot:

'you don't like it when people hurt YOU, do you? Now, how do you think it makes little Susie feel when you pull her hair? Not very good right? You don't want anyone to pull YOUR hair like that right? Well Susie feels the same way!'

slightly more advanced: Animals have consciousness, nerve endings, five senses, the capacity for suffering etc. As a human being with supposedly evolved thought processes, it should be a simple matter for you to understand that you don't make other creatures suffer unnecessarily. If you have the basic and necessary trait of empathy, you can see that being force-fed your own body weight several times daily is extremely unpleasant, therefore you do not subject another creature to that, especially for bullshit and self-indulgent reasons. We eat meat, therefore animals have to die to provide it. We DON'T require foie gras for a balanced diet, and animals suffer horribly to provide it. Can't see the problem with this equation? Too bad for you, because it means you're missing something in your basic make-up, and it's probably genetic. The GOOD thing is that most people don't have this problem, therefore we're on the verge of outlawing foie gras permanently just like we did bullbaiting.
You think rights come from the fact that a being has feelings? Jesus, you don't even know where rights come from. And you've got a BA in political sciences? There are very good reasons for humans to accept human rights, namely that it's a contract among humans to respect each others life and property. I can only claim my right to my own life by allowing the same for all other humans.

How an animal can enter such an agreement is beyond me. Animals can't care about rights. They don't even know what that is. Only humans can. With rights comes the necessity to respect those of others. Animals can't do that. It's nonsense.

Instead of rambling on about how everyone that doesn't agree with your unsubstantiated views should be executed (which shows quite a lot of human decency ), just answer this question:

Why should humans care for the well-being of animals who can't give a fuck about rights to begin with? Why? Just give one simple reason.

All you're saying boils down to: I don't want to see the cute animals suffering.

This doesn't give you the foundation to claim animal rights which should be enforced by humans. In fact, it gives you no foundation for anything at all, because it's not an argument, just an expression of your feelings.

And it doesn't turn into an argument if you scream it louder or make threats.
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