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of you course you do right now. But if Quebec separates what currency are you going to pay them in? My understanding is that Ted Moses agreed and signed based on Quebec staying in canada and NOT separating.Originally posted by directfiesta
Quebec, contrary to what many Quebecois think, gets more money from Confederation than it gives. When you add in all the direct federal spending this number increases. In each of the referendums this has been a major factor in keeping Quebec in Confederation. On the other hand Quebec is hungrier for provincial power than any other province except Alberta.
Lets talk about Immigration too.
Quebec has an unprecedented control over it?s own immigration. (A policy which is ridiculous, since once in Canada and past the first period immigrants can move anywhere.Comment
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I've lived in Quebec my entire adult life.
I love watching these kinds of conversations go down... lolComment
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Originally posted by ElvisManson
hum sorry
Moses had publicly committed support for Landry during the election campaign.
we have been screwed all our history by the federal governement
most the ppl in Quebec will know that, most ppl will vote YES and this never-ending story will endComment
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I think Canadian's in general are hungrier for more provincial powers. I personally don't see why the Feds collect all this money only too pass it along to another level of government who in turn passes it along again.Originally posted by ElvisManson
Why do the Feds pay the provinces money for health care? I've never been to a federally run Hospital or doctors office. Let the province you live in collect the taxes for this. Same thing with National Daycare; let the province you live in decide if thats what they want and then collect the taxes for it. Same thing for the gas taxes and on and on and on. The Feds have stuck their fngers into too many local juridictions.Comment
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Most of you webmasters who are french and support separatism are in your 20's, maybe a few in your 30's and the odd one older than that. The only reason you are separatists is because your parents were separatists.
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Easy, via this way, they can get a % for their friends.Originally posted by yysComment
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The federals collect the money to give to the queen, imagine the bitch has her face on the canadian money, the only countries like that was Irak under sadam's regime and couple monarchies like jordania, morocco etc...Originally posted by yys
why her face is on the canadian money?? and why canada don't have a President like USA or france?Comment
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I know that Landry was an admitted separatist during his campaign, but how much of his platform was based on forming a sovereign nation?Originally posted by skillfull
Why do Separatists feel that they are the only province that gets screwed by Ottawa?
You know that most of the western provinces feel that you get extra special attention from the Feds and lots of Extra money that they don't?Last edited by ElvisManson; 04-21-2005, 12:56 PM.Comment
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federalism doesnt workOriginally posted by CDSmith
and you have to admit it
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Originally posted by skillfullfederalism doesnt work
and you have to admit it
c vrai que tous les quebecois s'appelle Joseph et les quebecoises Marie? comme 2eme ou 3eme nom je parleComment
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i spoke with a guys from Vancouver about that when i was in MexicoOriginally posted by ElvisManson
we came to the conclusion that Canada isnt a real country
we should split up in 5 smaller country
BC
Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba
Ontario
Quebec
and the Maritimes
and make something like the european association
we need more provincial power in Canada, not fucking federal crooks power :PComment
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Originally posted by Thrawn$
c vrai que tous les quebecois s'appelle Joseph et les quebecoises Marie? comme 2eme ou 3eme nom je parle
bin tout les catholiques tk
;)Comment
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Fact is Quebec does get extra attention and also awarded contract to Quebec companies, in effort to appease the whiners.Originally posted by ElvisManson
Notice the least little infraction perceived by separatists as being against Quebec and they are quick to start howling at the moon.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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sure when you are screwed over by the federal government for more than 200 years, you dont feel confortable to be screwed against and againstOriginally posted by CDSmithComment
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We already have the European model, they're copying us.Originally posted by skillfullComment
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I agree with you. Decentralization of power is neccesary. It is too bad that Quebec wants to separate to acomplish this goal rather than working with the rest of the provinces.Originally posted by yys
Since decentralization means a new role and status for Provinces, as many groups as possible should participate in designing and implementing decentralization. At the very least, the opinions and positions or each group should be considered in planning decentralization.Comment
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falseOriginally posted by yys
the constitution of Canada is centralised to the federal power
unlike the USA where states have more power than our provinces have
learn your history and dont forget
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Precisely.. Quebec exports Natural Resources... Wanna bet Canada will tariff them at the borders?Originally posted by directfiestaHydro - power wood, mines... Quebec has always been a massive exporter of " matieres premieres" ... Now we could at least transform it here to create jobs.
We already have a government, including taxation ... We can use US dollar as many other countries do ... Wouldn't hurt at all the canadian currency ....
Export to leave thru Canada... sure, we have no airports or ports ... Don't forget, we own a part of ALL ports and airports of Canada ...
Your attitude is the type that makes be lean on the separation side. And when I change or forget, there is always another TED WINTERS to remind me .... JE ME SOUVIENS.
As for 'owning part of all ports and airports', do you really think that will stand when Quebec walks away from it's portion of Canadian debt?? (As is currently planned)...
Unfortunately, you can use the St. Lawrence river to ship all your exports out, cause it's iced over 6 months of every year....
So, you'll have to truck 'em to the coast...
Now, in terms of 'government' already existing, just imagine how much work will have to go in to creating your own post office!! There's so many little things like that..
The US won't want you using the US dollar, as it'll change their money supply... you'll need to either continue using Canada's. or creat your own.. And of course, if Canada doesn't want to let you, you can't 'just use it', without facing even more sanctions!!Comment
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Originally posted by ElvisManson
that the only way i can see Quebec staying in Canada
but you dont have political party thinking this way
that leave us no other choice...Comment
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That is the most retarded plan I have seen yet. You really need to stop spending your time with retards.Originally posted by skillfull
Separate from the chaff or you become chaff.
Just as the PC's are going to take the opportunity to maximize the sponsorship scandal and avail themselves of this opportunity, so to is the bloc Quebequoix, or as I like to call them, the bloc-heads. What do the separatists say regarding the notion that Canada may get a PC government when all this is over and done with?
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For one thing, you are a CONQUERED PEOPLE, if history serves. Let's start there shall we? Second, as I see it over the past 40 years Quebec has been coddled and funded and indulged and given special attention like no other province.Originally posted by skillfull
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just this part make no sense, so im not going to explain you why you are wrong on all those facts, its just a waste of timeOriginally posted by tedwintersComment
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It's only going to get worse. Back in the 1970's when the PQ took office they began their 'cultural training' by rewriting history books and other ' educational materials' so that no good Quebecois child would ever grow up without learning how much they have been victimized by the big bad english canadians.Originally posted by CDSmith
Baghdad Bob would be very proud!Comment
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Decrentalization won't work..
Well, it would, and it would leave a HUGE disparity...
Under income equalization payments, 9 of the 12 provinces RECEIVE money, where's as 3 of the provinces pay money..
Quebec RECEIVES the most!! $4.2 billion a year....
What does that say about Quebec's economic feasability???
The Quebec economy is bloated... Too many unions, too many rules..
The roads are horrendous, hospital care is a nightmare, social programs are the pits...
All governments are crooks... That's hardly a valid argument for separation...Comment
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having a PC government is a fucking good thing for separatismOriginally posted by CDSmith
what do you think ppl in quebec will think of a federal governement straight from Jesusland ?
it will just gave us 10-15% more vote for the YES option :PComment
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Yeah, that was a typo.. it was supposed to be 'can't use the st. lawrence'Originally posted by skillfull
I'm sure people would appreciate seeing if you actually have answers for those facts...Last edited by tedwinters; 04-21-2005, 01:12 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by skillfullfederalism doesnt work
and you have to admit it
Tres Drole!!!
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Originally posted by CDSmith
The only reason you are federalists is because your parents were federalists ..I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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IMHO, It just seems like this is a plan thats going backwards. European Countries are uniting to create a stronger economy and to have a more prominent role in the world. Instead of moving forward, we are going regressing. Less power on the world stage, a weaker economy and isolating ourselves. We are headed towards being the next HondurasComment
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Just because someone is against Quebec separatism does not make them a federalist.Originally posted by directfiestaComment
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and you are REFUGEES, dont forget thatOriginally posted by CDSmithComment
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Wrong.Originally posted by directfiesta
My family comes from Eastern Canada. My dad and his family tree are straight out of Montreal, my mom's side is from N. Ontario by way of New Brunswick. And who said I was "federalist"? Manitoba has it's own provincial government too, but before being a Toban I am a Canadian first and formost, as you too should be.
Fact is a good half of Quebec's population does NOT want ot separate, and those peoples comprise a full 75% or more of Quebec's land mass. Just what kind of "new country" do you think you would be starting?
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bigger the structure, less efficient it isOriginally posted by SL|M!
its a know factComment
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How so?Originally posted by skillfull
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sophism here, i will let you find it yourself :POriginally posted by CDSmithWrong.
My family comes from Eastern Canada. My dad and his family tree are straight out of Montreal, my mom's side is from N. Ontario by way of New Brunswick. And who said I was "federalist"? Manitoba has it's own provincial government too, but before being a Toban I am a Canadian first and formost, as you too should be.
Fact is a good half of Quebec's population does NOT want ot separate, and those peoples comprise a full 75% or more of Quebec's land mass. Just what kind of "new country" do you think you would be starting?
The answer is still no.Comment
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LOYALISTS, flee from the United States when the american revolution occured and the british lost.Originally posted by CDSmith
never heard about Upper and Lower Canada ?Comment
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btw why the fuck arent you bannedOriginally posted by MetaMan
frogs is as racist as the n***** word for black people
we dont need your racists remarks hereComment
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I got to say that Decentralization is not a good idea. Once we do that we create a beaucratic nightmare and stall the entire country in a paperwork mess gone wild. Thats going to hit the economy in sooo many bad ways.Originally posted by skillfull
New rules will be made and rules upon rules with added regulations. I agree that there needs to be more power given to the provinces but they need to have better definition of what their powers are.
If you ask me the biggest thing wrong with federalism and seperatism is.
1. There are no commoners in the house of commons. Most politicians are so out of touch with their constituants it isn't even funny.
For the most part it is just a bunch of rich baby-boomers that have no clue what it is to have to buy no-name brand macroni and cheese because kraft dinner is too expensive. Or go to the Bulk Barn and just get the powedered kraft cheese. They don't know what the concept is to be an working Canadien/Canadian
2. Too much curtailing to the corporate big wigs. It's this "you wash my back and I'll wash yours" crap that leads to things like the sponsorship scandal and idiots like Harper and Stronach that want to turn our country into the 51st state.
3. Too much party line crossing. This is just an example of what I was saying that ulitimately they are all friends. All the politicians are just being self-serving and looking out for their individual interests. My initial argument still stands that the Parti Quebecois does not truly want seperatism and the Federalists are in no hurry to put their buddies out of a job.Comment
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Funny, from my perspective it is in fact your argument that is rife with sophism.Originally posted by skillfull
At present the Quebec separatists are viewed by the rest of Canada as whiners mostly. If you people keep on with your bullshit and end up further harming this country I predict you will become viewed as cancer.
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Since when is French-Canadian a race?Originally posted by skillfull
It's a slur against your French heritage, idiot, not your race. People from France get called frogs too.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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actually no...Originally posted by skillfull
Bigger structures lead to vertical integration and higher efficiency....
Look at corporate power and economic theory....
Bigger corporations/countries have greater purchasing power, greater market control, great production capabilities, greater total world market influence...Comment
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Originally posted by skillfull
less efficient? Ask the US what they think about the Euro. I doubt they say that the Euro is innefficient. Churchill called for a "United States of Europe" to make Europe stronger and compete with the US. 60 years later, they have a United Europe and have become a superpower in the world and threatening American Supremacy. I doubt u can call that innefficientComment
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And stop trying to compare our situation to that of Europe. How can anyone in their right mind not see that Europe is comprised of distinctly SEPARATE countries who are now choosing to collaborate and unite economically to become a stronger world presence, whereas Canada and ALL of it's provinces and territories is ONE country, of which about half the population of one such province is attempting to divide us which WILL result in all of us becoming a much weaker presence on the world market.
You idiots are trying to compare your backward movement to a forward movement, and it doesn't wash, much like the rest of your parent's arguments you all keep parroting.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Def:Originally posted by CDSmithSince when is French-Canadian a race?
It's a slur against your French heritage, idiot, not your race. People from France get called frogs too.
Redneck - A person from a southern area, who is outside all day under the hot sun - frying his brains. Distinguishing characteristics are his sunburned neck, ignorant behaviour and foul mouth.
Blueneck - A person from a northern climate that is outside all day in the cold - freezing his brains. Distinguishing characteristics are similar to the redneck.Comment
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Originally posted by skillfull
CD already caught it so there is no reason for me to explain.
you just dont get it YOU should be banned from Canada, YOU make it a worse place, move to France and hop back in the pond.
some of my best friends are from Quebec and they pray to God one day all you people die and do not spawn, seriously.Last edited by MetaMan; 04-21-2005, 01:41 PM.Comment
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Not true. Say that to a French ( from France) and he will look at you like you are an idiot ... ( well, thinking about it ...)Originally posted by CDSmithSince when is French-Canadian a race?
People from France get called frogs too.
It is used solely towards " french quebecers " as well as " Pepsi " ( long story behind that one).
Just like to us " English Canadians" are " blokes and you are a " redneck " ...
or Metaman is a " child abusing slovak" ...
Now, let the insults flyI know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Originally posted by directfiesta
directfiesta you know i can dish and take, i do not whine. that is your opinion, i do not care in the first place.
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