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  • RedShoe
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    • Feb 2001
    • 14831
    #1

    Page Rank: Ynot vs. GFY (SE experts please advise)

    I've been doing some research and I thought I was just about to understand some of the basics of PR. I'm learning about internal linking structures as well as hardlink outbound exchanges and how they work together to increase or decrease PR.

    I have a PR 4 site, (it's a BBS) It only 4 or 5 outbound links that I added, including a few outbound sponsor links. (again) It's a PR 4 and only has 5 outbound links, and as far as I know it doesn't have any inbound hardlinks. It's just been sitting there for years, and it's a PR of 4.

    I can understand how I got a PR 4 because of the stuff I've been reading about internal linking structures. So I decided to see if I was understanding it by going to other porn sites and seeing if the PR was about what I figured it would be based on my research. I went to AVNonline, PR4, which is what I expected. GFY, PR5, a little more than I expected. I hit a few more sites with the same expectations. Jay's XXX links, PR5. Then I went to Ynot....

    GFY is a PR 5 site. It's very active and has many.. many inbound and outbound links.

    Ynot has been around longer, has tons and tons of internal links as well as many.. MANY outbound and is a PR of ZERO.

    What gives? How could a site as big as Ynot, have a PR of 0?? This goes against what I've learned so far. In fact it's almost like they had to specifically ask google for a PR of 0. I mean, just by default they should have a PR of 2, and that's at the VERY LEAST.

    How is that possible? (How do I avoid that?) What am I not understanding?

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    • slapass
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Nov 2002
      • 14625
      #2
      GFY bans google internally so the pages do not have PR so it has nothing to do with the size of GFY and maybe ynot bans at the door. Check the robot text.

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        • evildick
          #3
          I'm not sure how these work, but this probably has something to do with it.

          http://www.ynot.com/robots.txt

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            • RedShoe
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              • Feb 2001
              • 14831
              #4
              how can I peep GFY's robots.txt? It's not off the main domain. And how would banning google from seeing internal links increase your PR, if your PR is also based on your internal link structure?

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                • evildick
                  #5
                  Originally posted by RedShoe
                  how can I peep GFY's robots.txt? It's not off the main domain. And how would banning google from seeing internal links increase your PR, if your PR is also based on your internal link structure?
                  I believe banning the internal links just prevents them from getting picked up in the search engines as much. I don't think that affects the index page PR at all. GFY probably just has a high PR from all the people linking to it.

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                    • RedShoe
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                      • Feb 2001
                      • 14831
                      #6
                      I looked at the robots.txt for YNOT but how does that code ban google?
                      As far as YNOT goes, I see the Ynot banner recip on just about every adult resource out there. That's why in my mind they should have SOME PR.

                      Thanks for your answers by the way.

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                        • will76
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                          • May 2003
                          • 18037
                          #7
                          Originally posted by RedShoe
                          I've been doing some research and I thought I was just about to understand some of the basics of PR. I'm learning about internal linking structures as well as hardlink outbound exchanges and how they work together to increase or decrease PR.

                          I have a PR 4 site, (it's a BBS) It only 4 or 5 outbound links that I added, including a few outbound sponsor links. (again) It's a PR 4 and only has 5 outbound links, and as far as I know it doesn't have any inbound hardlinks. It's just been sitting there for years, and it's a PR of 4.

                          I can understand how I got a PR 4 because of the stuff I've been reading about internal linking structures. So I decided to see if I was understanding it by going to other porn sites and seeing if the PR was about what I figured it would be based on my research. I went to AVNonline, PR4, which is what I expected. GFY, PR5, a little more than I expected. I hit a few more sites with the same expectations. Jay's XXX links, PR5. Then I went to Ynot....

                          GFY is a PR 5 site. It's very active and has many.. many inbound and outbound links.

                          Ynot has been around longer, has tons and tons of internal links as well as many.. MANY outbound and is a PR of ZERO.

                          What gives? How could a site as big as Ynot, have a PR of 0?? This goes against what I've learned so far. In fact it's almost like they had to specifically ask google for a PR of 0. I mean, just by default they should have a PR of 2, and that's at the VERY LEAST.

                          How is that possible? (How do I avoid that?) What am I not understanding?
                          not sure what you are looking at but http://www.ynot.com/ has a PR5
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                            • SmokeyTheBear
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                              • Jun 2004
                              • 28609
                              #8
                              ynot is a pr5
                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                • V_RocKs
                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 32451
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by slapass
                                  GFY bans google internally so the pages do not have PR so it has nothing to do with the size of GFY and maybe ynot bans at the door. Check the robot text.
                                  Google for this thread topic in about 2 days and you will see how badly GFY is blocking out google.

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                                    • SmokeyTheBear
                                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 28609
                                      #10
                                      If you do redirects to another page it usually wont show the pr..

                                      Like for example www.cecash.com also has a high pr , but it kicks you to another page as soon as you enter thus its not really showing the real pr.
                                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                        • baddog
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 107089
                                          #11
                                          you don't get PR from outgoing links

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                                            • skillfull
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2003
                                              • 4716
                                              #12
                                              banning :P

                                              its not a PR0 its no PR at all
                                              ynot is a PR5 when i check it
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                                                • baddog
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 107089
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                  ynot is a pr5

                                                  that too

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                                                    • evildick
                                                      #14
                                                      For some reason I get PR0 on both:

                                                      http://www.ynot.com/
                                                      http://www.ynot.com/

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                                                        • Sosa
                                                          In Tushy Land
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 40149
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                          you don't get PR from outgoing links

                                                          was thinking the same

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                                                            • baddog
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 107089
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by evildick
                                                              For some reason I get PR0 on both:

                                                              http://www.ynot.com/
                                                              http://www.ynot.com/

                                                              well, as they are both the same URL, I would expect that they would be identical.

                                                              Google is updating, so maybe it is just where you are coming from

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                                                                • evildick
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                  well, as they are both the same URL, I would expect that they would be identical.

                                                                  Google is updating, so maybe it is just where you are coming from
                                                                  Oops. I was supposed to type one in without the www.

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                                                                    • RedShoe
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                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                      • 14831
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                      If you do redirects to another page it usually wont show the pr..

                                                                      Like for example www.cecash.com also has a high pr , but it kicks you to another page as soon as you enter thus its not really showing the real pr.

                                                                      I think that's it. I'm old school so I always go to ynotmasters.com then it redirects me to Ynot.com and at first it was showing me a PR of 0.

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                                                                        • xfalmp
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                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                          • 1474
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                          ynot is a pr5
                                                                          Strange, it's a PR2 here :S

                                                                          Trust the "WOW" effect.

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                                                                            • DateDoc
                                                                              Outside looking in.
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 14243
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by xfalmp
                                                                              Strange, it's a PR2 here :S

                                                                              I get a PR2 too.

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                                                                                • RedShoe
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                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                  • 14831
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  your monitors are upside down

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                                                                                    • skillfull
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                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                      • 4716
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by RedShoe
                                                                                      your monitors are upside down
                                                                                      i know my PR is good
                                                                                      they have a PR5
                                                                                      googlebar mean shit :P
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                                                                                        • emthree
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                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 10816
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by RedShoe
                                                                                          your monitors are upside down
                                                                                          haha

                                                                                          BTW: YNot only seems to have a PR5 at certain datacenters.
                                                                                          The rest are showing a PR of 0, so I'm guessing things will even out on the next update. I'm not sure why the sudden drop across the board.

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                                                                                            • effer
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 135
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Never just use googletoolbar to assess PR. Check all known google datecenters with a tool like this: http://www.darbyfamily.com/q-check/datatool.asp
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                                                                                                • buran
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                  • 264
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Hey,

                                                                                                  Remember YNOT just switched from YNOTMASTERS.com to YNOT.com so that might be part of it. ;)

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                                                                                                    • sean416
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 3633
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      RedShoe, another thing to keep in mind is google changes the criterea for PageRank based on content and theme of the site. For example, you said you were looking at jays-xxx-links.com thats a porn site, so for him to achieve PR5-6 is very tough. GFY & YNOT are webmaster resources (not as competitive as 'free porn') so a PR5 would be easier to achieve. Depending how competitive any given "niche" or "market" is, it could be easier or harder to achieve a high PR. With porn, its all the same. Don't think I meant if you're optimizing for anal it may be easier then amateurs, but what I meant was if you make a site for baking cookies you would probably accumulate PR a lot easier then if you were making a site for 'free porn'.

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                                                                                                        • Kevsh
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                                          • 8619
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Don't obsess over PR, it's because less and less of a factor in Google's algorithm (mostly likely due to abuse and, of course, everyone obsessing over it!). Focus on getting relevant inbound links that will bring quality traffic and look at PR boosts as a bonus.

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                                                                                                            • Trax
                                                                                                              [----------------------]
                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              this thread is wrong for so many reasons.
                                                                                                              redshoe I highly recommend you to read more about pagerank from resources OTHER than GFY cuz a lot of the people giving seo advise over here got no clue at all.
                                                                                                              read a neutral comment about PR and how it works cuz this thread will not answer all your questions

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                                                                                                                • hershie
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                  • 4642
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                  you don't get PR from outgoing links
                                                                                                                  I thought it could be of some significance.

                                                                                                                  For instance, if you link to relevant "authority sites" throughout your site rather than only other sites you have on the same shared IP, your ranking could be effected I thought.

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                                                                                                                    • Trax
                                                                                                                      [----------------------]
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                      • 14486
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                                      I thought it could be of some significance.

                                                                                                                      For instance, if you link to relevant "authority sites" throughout your site rather than only other sites you have on the same shared IP, your ranking could be effected I thought.
                                                                                                                      where in baddogs comment do you read anything about ranking, authority sites, ips or anything?

                                                                                                                      this is about Pagerank
                                                                                                                      and no you don't gain PR from linking to other pages
                                                                                                                      how much sense would that make anyways lol
                                                                                                                      I link to 1000s of pages and get a PR10
                                                                                                                      haha

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                                                                                                                        • hershie
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                          • 4642
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Trax
                                                                                                                          where in baddogs comment do you read anything about ranking, authority sites, ips or anything?

                                                                                                                          this is about Pagerank
                                                                                                                          and no you don't gain PR from linking to other pages
                                                                                                                          how much sense would that make anyways lol
                                                                                                                          I link to 1000s of pages and get a PR10
                                                                                                                          haha
                                                                                                                          Where did I say you could so easily insult the intelligence of Google that they wouldn't filter for someone throwing up a ton of outbound links to gain more ranking prominence. Having a few links to relevant authority sites that are topical to the page rather than spamming your own network of sites must have some degree of effect on rankings.

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                                                                                                                            • Trax
                                                                                                                              [----------------------]
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              this thread is about apples
                                                                                                                              you are talking about bananas

                                                                                                                              that's all I was saying

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                                                                                                                                • nmcog
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 825
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  PageRank is very simple

                                                                                                                                  http://www2002.org/CDROM/refereed/127/
                                                                                                                                  http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html
                                                                                                                                  http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/
                                                                                                                                  http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html
                                                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank
                                                                                                                                  http://www.markhorrell.com/seo/pagerank.shtml

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                                                                                                                                    • nmcog
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 825
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Fuck I forgot, there's no money in SEO!
                                                                                                                                      Just go to Wendys and ask Nick3131!

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                                                                                                                                        • nmcog
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 825
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Trax, mindblowingporn.com looks like a good Link List

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                                                                                                                                            • DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                              No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 28301
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              pagerank rocks

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                                                                                                                                                • Trax
                                                                                                                                                  [----------------------]
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 14486
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  it was still a waste of time to create it
                                                                                                                                                  I learned with LL game with it however

                                                                                                                                                  I got better and older sites than that one ;)

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