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quite an interesting thread this has grown into
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Even a big SOB like Bob Sapp who was MMA fight experience has tapped out. If a smaller fighter can make Sapp tap then Kimbo may be even easier - that is, he has no idea how to guard against submission holds while Sapp does.
Though Kimbo does seem like a masochist type who get's adrenaline off being hit. I'd say the best submissions will be arm or ankle if you can hold on.Comment
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I've asked before for DS to show his credentials. I have yet to get an answer from him. He said he trained bjj under Relson for 7 years.
Anyways, back to the discussion. Kimbo is no longer untrained. I met him last month and asked him if he's been training with FFA in Miami, to which he said he was.
For those of you in the know, FFA is the Avellan brother's school. Dig should remember them, as one brother beat our Instructor Rener Gracie during the Ultimate Submission Showdown.
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Originally posted by Kevsh
You are kidding right? Sapp tapped out to one of the best heavyweight BJJ fighters in the world.
There's a big difference between Nog and Dirty Ds. A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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It would be cool if the fight would actually take place, but I seriously doubt it will happen.Comment
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No shit... Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira took quite a beating too before submitting sapp when he tired out. I'd say hes ranked 3rd in the world in the heavy weight divison. Fedor is first, cro crop I say is 2nd. or maybe 3rd and Antonio is 2ndOriginally posted by AnthonyLast edited by Vitasoy; 04-17-2005, 08:34 PM.Comment
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Just think Tank Abbot versus Frank Mir.Originally posted by sonofsam26 + 6 = 1Comment
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well good luck dude if it ever happes
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Btw. after seeing you in somce pics I would never think you were into martial arts.Comment
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My favorite was Tank versus Belford... imagine smacking a slugger so much to make him shoot in on a known grappler. lolOriginally posted by chodadogComment
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Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Kimbo won't tap until the damage is done by the heel hook. I have seen guys trying to fight their way out of a heel hook. Heel hooks could to damage to the knee for life.ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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There are only 36 people in the world who are 3rd degree Black Belts.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Who gave you your belt?ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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Do you train in NJ? I'm coming up to visit some friends and would like to meet other webmasters, and Hell would be great to roll with them too.Originally posted by TheSenator
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Going back to this challenge.
I'm 6 foot 1, 260lbs. Kimbo is my size.
DS, I've seen your pics/movies, you wouldn't have a chance in Hell. Just by going with Kimbo's fight in the backyard, and his last one with Gannon, you would be chewed up and spit out.
Couple that with his training with the Avellan's, and you have a sprawl and brawler.
Give it up.
Btw, it's 5 grand I believe to fight.
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size means nothing.... it really does not... if you know what your doing you can use someones weight aginst them really fast... sorry guys had to run out for a few thats why I have not been here responding.... as far as rolling... I am down to roll with anyone anytime.. I love rolling with someone who knows what he's doing.. thats the only way we all get better.. dig you can ICQ me if you want to ... I will come up there you can come down here we will roll around for some fun then hit the strip here for some whores... my fav 2 pass times....Originally posted by AnthonyComment
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Ridiculous. Answer me something, why is every serious combat sport always regulated by weight classes? Size and strength may not be the most important thing, but saying is means nothing is simply ignorant.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
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You are in lala land dude.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Kimbo before he trained with the Avellans would tear you up.
Now, you wouldn't have a chance. Half guard on a guy who will punch your face in, please.
I'm sure you are a good grappler, win some tournaments, enter some ring and cage fights, then think about fighting Kimbo.
Btw, if size and weight doesn't mean anything, can you explain to me why PRIDE FC and UFC have it? LOL
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Originally posted by WarChildRidiculous. Answer me something, why is every serious combat sport always regulated by weight classes? Size and strength may not be the most important thing, but saying is means nothing is simply ignorant.
Man, you and I agree on so many things when it comes to fighting, we're gonna have to meet when I come up to Vancity.
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Oh btw.
Which BJJ school did you receive your 3rd Degree Black Belt from and from whom?
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Holy Fuck, whats your fighting background DS? I hope its all video'd, this will be awesome.
You can get it ploughing a paddock, you can get it makin some porn sites, matter of fact I've got it now.
For a hard earned thrist, you need a big cold beer.Comment
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Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Big balls for sure if you are serious.
Can I take the 10k bet on the one min thing?Comment
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Originally posted by Anthony
For sure man, hit me up anytime.
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I'm glad you edited thatOriginally posted by jonesy
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was it done by weight when the good fighters were fighting? when gracie was winning.. shamrock, abbot,Originally posted by AnthonyComment
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What I seen Kimbo could pummel your face in for 50 k and get your program as well..you aren't serious and this is basically bullshitComment
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I never said he could not pummel my face.. if you look at my post I give him total dominance in the stand up world... in fact one punch from him to me right now witht he lack of getting hit the past year on my part I would prolly be in a coma if not dead.. but the goal is to not get hit.. specally from a hard hitter like him... I have met the guy his hands are like balls and chains... just wicked.. but I doubt his ground fighting skills and I am confident in mine... I would never box him only.. not for 10 million dollarsOriginally posted by spunkyComment
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Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerI'm glad you edited that
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The UFC had no credibility back then, it wasn't long before nobody anywhere would sanction it. They had to change a bunch of stuff, including adding weight classes, before UFC became a credible foundation.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
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now it's no good.. if you ask me it was so much better then IMO....Originally posted by WarChildThe UFC had no credibility back then, it wasn't long before nobody anywhere would sanction it. They had to change a bunch of stuff, including adding weight classes, before UFC became a credible foundation.Comment
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I think you'd probably have to sign something saying that if he killed you with a punch, that he isnt liable, I'am sure he'd be worried..Comment
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so danza how do you propose to go about the fight?
there is no way any state would sanction this type of fight.
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You seriously think so?Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Back when the Gracies ran the whole thing, and you had to win 3 times for a $10000 purse? When you could lay on the ground, not advancing your position at all for an entire fight? I've watched UFC since the very first one, and I happen to think it's a better *sport* now.
Again, I'm not saying size and weight is the only the, or the most important thing, I'm just saying it's one of the variables..Comment
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Fighting doesn't prove shit..save your money and retract your statements.Back out .I'm sure Kimbo would suck this up like a hounds stewComment
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in my opnion it was... back when it was a bracket style... 3 opponionts.. thats the real ultimate fighter I think... know what I mean.. as far as laying on your back right away.. thats my plan with this one... never let him get me in his kill zone which is arms length away... I am either hugging him till we both go down or I am down first and I will get him down there with me eveuntauly...Originally posted by WarChild
let me quote jonsey on a gracie quote
Royce Gracie Undefeated Ultimate Fighting Champion
"you don't have to be a monster to be the champ. You don't have to be the biggest guy or the one who hits the hardest. And you don't have to get hurt in a fight."
Royce Gracie's opponents consistently outweighed him by more than 50 pounds like dan severen, Kimo Leopoldo by 80 lbs and many others -
Royce Gracie lost 2 fights in other competitions
Gracie lost for the first time in a grappling-only match with another Brazilian-jujutsu expert, Wallid Ismail, by a "clock choke." at the Rio Oscars of Jiu-Jitsu at Copacobana Beach on December 17, 1998
Gracie conceded a match against the renowned champion Kazushi Sakuraba Gracie could no longer stand and suffered a broken femur at the Pride Grand Prix 2000 - Finals
He did not lose against any huge guys but against skilled martial artists, proving that brute force and size wins fights
Gracie gave hope to thousands of martial artists who, like him, may not be the biggest or the strongest in their dojo, but who depend on perfect technique to overcome their opponents in competition.Comment
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Originally posted by spunky
like I said I have nothing aginst kimbo really cool guy I have met him a few times... just always alot of talk on here (gfy) abot how he's the baddest.. he is bad trust me.. I would not want to have to stand up with him in a ring on an alley... but a skilled person can take a street fighter anyday.. unless.. and it's a really unless they get that one punch in and go in for the kill and someone who knows how to have good offence will know defence as well... there are points where punches and kicks are the strongest where they sting the most... hence the "reach" factor if you stay inside that chances are you will never get that knock out punch from someone.. I have watched him fight.. he hits really really hardComment
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i was just thinking of posting that - obviously youve read that other thread on fightingOriginally posted by Dirty_DS
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Did you get some new affiliate signs ups yet from this thread?Comment
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Let's see.
Royce Gracie has been training before he could walk.
You have never even trained in Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
Royce Gracie has fought numerous competitions and is a game fighter.
We just have your claims that you can fight.
Now, I know Royce Gracie. You Sir, are no Royce Gracie.
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never said I was royce... but yes I have trained for years in a gracie dojo.. and if you belive me or not I could care less I will let the mat do the talking.. and it will sould like this.. ::: tap tap tap::::Originally posted by AnthonyComment
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That was the wild wild west, People back then only knew one martial art and didn't know how to defend against submissionsOriginally posted by Dirty_DSComment
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So it's trained for years now at a Gracie Dojo? Oh wait a minute, the rest of us Gracie/Brazillian Jiu Jitsu guys call them Academies. Get your nomenclature down right if you are going to lie, eh?Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Where again did you get your 3rd degree BB in BJJ? Or is it going to be something else now?
True you never said your were Royce. Just alluding to the fact that because Royce did it, you can.
Get off of Royce's Nuts already. Do somehting on your own, and stop riding that man's jock.
What tournaments have you won? How about ring or cage fights?
What makes you think you can fight at Kimbo's level?Last edited by Anthony; 04-17-2005, 10:40 PM.
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How much would you bet on wrestling Anthony?Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Anthony would you be willing? heheComment
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Yes it is.. if they both have the same skills. The bigger dude will win every timeOriginally posted by WarChild
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Originally posted by geckoYes it is.. if they both have the same skills. The bigger dude will win every time
Gecko,
There's an old BJJ saying. If skillset is the same, for every 20lbs, go up one belt level.
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I will roll with anthony anytime he wants to... just for fun... like I said I love rolling around for a while..... why all of a sudden to they all want to question me and all that shit.. what happend to .. go for it.. you don;e belive me bet aginst me you will win some money know what I mean...Originally posted by JulianSosaComment
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Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Im sure your affiliates are just concerned that you may be injured and not be able to update your site
EDIT GO FOR IT MAN
One thing who is throwing in the 50k and what would it cost to get a legal fight set up with drs, judges, etc ,etcLast edited by JulianSosa; 04-17-2005, 10:45 PM.Comment
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I'll roll with anyone, anytime. I don't have a chip on my shoulder and have to show the world how big my balls are.Originally posted by JulianSosa
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Cool.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
Good training partners are hard to find in different cities.
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