Epass, what the hell? Is it true that you're dictating programs minimum payouts now?

Laura Lee rocks, as usual.

Honestly, take the check or forget about the $40. AST you're doing nothing but making yourself look unprofessional here. Threatening to go to the boards because a major sponsor won't bend the rules for your account that sent one sale, LMFAO, how childish.

KimmyKim, Rand, BradM, Justsexxx and everyone else who took the time to read this crazy thread, thank you for the support.

Kimmy, you are right.. i did out myself because the last thing i wanted was for our community to think he was pointing the finger at a different program and person.
Except for letting his threats annoy me some earlier, i don't feel that I or TCG did a darn thing wrong.

Again, thank you.
Laura Lee

Big deal, what traffic? Mexican blurred popunder consoles?

Now that I'm back from the doctor, you sure have been busy posting away.

Laura, you're the one twisting words now, isn't that what you're accusing me of?

Take a look here and I don't want to hear "your traffic / our program" stuff because it's bought traffic and basically you'd be saying that a lot of different site traffic sucks and my other sponsors are stellar in response to "my" traffic.



Now that you're playing mix n match with our conversation, let me dig up the ICQ history.:

Date : 4/4/2005 Time : 12:52 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Can you please help me for a minute?

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 1:04 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Hey Laura?

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 1:04 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
I have a problem with my account.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 1:09 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
I'm not showing any overlimit protection payments and also I need to change my payout.

When I
signed up it said minimum $5.00 but now it says minimum $100.00

I will never be able to hit
payout @ $100.00 because I need to pull your links immediately. I need to try to get my payment of
$40.00 please.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 1:24 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Helloooo ??

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 3:58 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Laura?

(Insert Phone Call Here)

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:08 PM
From : Laura Lee
ok accounting is not online or me to IM her.. so i sent her an email, i will let you know the
minute i hear back.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:08 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Thank you

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:09 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
What about the overlimit protection ? I didn't see any of that applied.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:10 PM
From : Laura Lee
let me check your stats.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:10 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Ok.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:16 PM
From : Laura Lee
overlimit protection is based on daily numbers, not/weekly monthly

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:17 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Yea. Haven't I sent 500 to 1000/day ? No ?

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:18 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Just today I sent 564 with your traffic turned off.

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:18 PM
From : Laura Lee
we calculate ratio's/conversions based on 2nd page hits. so you would have to have sent 500 2nd
page uniques per day without a sale to qualify

Date : 4/11/2005 Time : 4:19 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Well that's convienient.

(and time goes by..)

Date : 4/12/2005 Time : 4:38 PM
To : Adult Site Traffic
So can I get paid or no ?

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:31 AM
From : Laura Lee
I did get a reply email from accounting.
*Foreign epass accounts are paid on the 10th of the
month
*We have a minimum payout agreement set up with epass which is why the minimum is
$100
*You have not met the minimum, as you are only owed $40.87

..

..

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:35 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Oh, and that "min agreement" you have with "epass". That's BS Laura. Epass has no such "agreements"
with anyone for any minimums

Don't forget I'm a program owner too.

But I'll be happy to
quote you on that.

..

..

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:47 AM
From : Laura Lee
Accounting has stated that the minimum payout is set for $100, I am confident in assuming this
was agreed upon by BOTH parties when we began utilizing their service.
As a program owner (as you mention above) I would have also assumed that you would understand that, to have and run a
successful business/company you need to have rules. But since you have the ?Look at me i can make
threats and I am the exception to the rule" attitude, I guess those rules don?t apply to you??

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:50 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
How are you eentitled to keep my $40.00 or expect me to invens another approx $500.00 in you to hit
that $100.00 payout?

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:54 AM
From : Laura Lee
You are not going to twist my words, so don't even waste your effort. I NEVER said we were
"keeping your money until the minimum payout was reached"
I SAID:
i don't expect you to waste
your traffic if it is not converting with our sites. I then told you that a check would be sent
for what you are owed.
Tell me, how is that saying to you we would not pay you??
Get you facts
straight... please tell me when i ever said to you "Go spend more money so that you can reach your
minimum"
LIES... never said once, how dare you try to say that stuff

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:55 AM
From : Laura Lee
all i ever said was we would be mailing you a check since you told me straight up you would never
meet the $100 minimum for epass.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 8:58 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
LOL. Well, we already discussed that check thing.

I live in CANCUN MEXICO like I told you, and
checks have a way on not getting here and when they do, they're expired by the time I get them to
my bank.

Now, the definition of a lie is when you told me that TCG has an agreement with epass
which requires you to pay a $100.00 minimum. But I'm gonna give epass a chance to answer to that
publically in just a sec.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:02 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
You tried to snowball me on that e-pass thing and pass the buck to e-pass, not knowing that I have
a personal, commerce and corporate epass account and that I have also run a program and managed
affiliates.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:04 AM
From : Laura Lee
nice try, you are a peice of work, why don't we deal in truths here instead of your continual word
twisting and deception. nice try passing your lack of honestly off on me. not happening and never
will.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:04 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
But I tell you what. I have an idea now that you mention it. And yes, sometimes I don't even get my
power bill or phone bill from this town, much less from out of the country.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:05 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
Oops. What are you coming at me with lack of honesty? I was about to be able to solve this, but
what now .. ?

Explain that.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:08 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
What I said was:

I those that are not, and not one.. not one of them has ever told me that
"sorry, your loss". Keep wasting money on us or you don't get paid 'till you meet the minimum or we
just keep your money.

How are you eentitled to keep my $40.00 or expect me to invens another
approx $500.00 in you to hit that $100.00 payout?

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:09 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
I never said that YOU said you were keeping my money.

So, that leaves you with the epass min
thing, not me "twisting your words".

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:09 AM
From : Laura Lee
EXACTLY, and when did i ever say that to you??? i never said to spend more money to get to the
minimum

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:10 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
I never said you did Laura. I said "what am I supposed to do ... ?"

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:12 AM
From : Laura Lee
if you see fit, take it to the boards, we can battle their is that is what you see as fun

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:13 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
It will cost you more than 40 bucks.

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:13 AM
To : Adult Site Traffic
I promise.

Yes idiot.

No, wait! ... it's the same traffic YOU rave about all day long

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no need to imagine - I will tell you

he takes days to set you up and forgets just about every aspect of the interaction - IT'S FUCKING TERRIBLE!!!!!

Now that's not true and you know it, but you can play the innocent angel if you want to. You knew I was bringing that other screenshot here

$40 bucks is $40 bucks though. I would want it too. Especially if I took a hit on the promotion. That is like saying "How do you make money on $1 trials?"

It all adds up.

You sure do post a lot in my threads acting like we do business. I've never taken days to set up an account ever.

This guy again?

This is coming from the guy who banned me from his board 2 days ago because he couldn't FORCE me to run a fucking Oprano link on my site.

Oh, you're something

trafico de sitio adulto

Perdone mi espanol, pero obviamente usted esta loco/a, esto es una perdida de tiempo.

100% Bullshit. You follow people around in different threads and ALWAYS make yourself look as if you agree with whomever you think is doing better in a thread.

you are aware that it isn't only the traffic that matters right...

the fact you cant remember does not surprise me in the slightest

No, just a waste of 354,000 to hosted galleries.

RIGHT! The fact that it was being sent to hosted galleries doesn't mean shit either.....

Posting icq logs on a message board is so foolish, as well.

that can mean lots of things...most of the time only bad ones tho since overexposure doesn't help with promotions eh

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO


I say whatever I feel I need to say

I couldnt give a rats arse about what any mother fucker thinks

you obviously have NOT seen my posts cockrod

No you're not. I told you I was going to quote you. How does that confuse you?

No you didn't. You pasted me the bulleted list about how epass had a minimum of $100 and all that.

No, you didn't and I don't want a check and yes, I will.

That was never the point about following rules. All I wanted was my $40.00 I earned by sent epass and not have to go on and on until I wasted a lot more traffic and hit payout. And don't act like if someone tried to send less that a hundred bucks the keyboard would fry your fingers. You know you could send it if you WANTED TO as a one time severance.

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where's your gallery? may be it would have converted better, and you would have reached the $100 target if the design were different. show us!

Sure.

Go log in at trafficcashgold.com and take your pic

Or .. read the thread

listen you stupid fuck

you agreed to their terms when you joined the program

they have offered to send you the money - what else do you want bitch!?!?!?!!?

AND

what sort of FUCKWIT sends three hundred thousand hits to a program and then decides they dont convert LOLOLOLO

A FUCKING IDIOT THATS WHO

Well, obviously coupling traffic that converts other sponsors with TCG's own galleries sure sucks balls. So, you're right

Yes, you're right .

Damn, you beat me... What he said!

Class act btw, LL. You're a great credit to your program.

Hope you learned your lesson and use your own gallerys next time...

tcg/laura lee are always very nice and helpful

so stop whining about your $40, fukin drama queen

ive never really understood minimum payouts, especially as im sure this bloke wouldnt be against paying the fees. Its like, getting a job but only doing a few hours a week, it comes to pay day and they say, nah we have a minimum payout of 300 quid, but we will be really cool and roll it over to next month, cya. Now see how stupid it is?

Evan

This issue is now 100% resolved.

Thank you.

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Thank you for being so predictable. I KNEW you were going to alter that log, i just knew it.
Of course you were going to play dirty.. which was why i was not looking forward to seeing you start threads mocking me like you stated you would.
What i didn't realize was, that so many people would already be privy to your style and background.
It is a pleasant surprise to realize i am not the only one who knows you are an outright liar and not to be taken seriouly.

Looking back, do you even realize that all you had to do was explain to me checks were difficult to receive/cash in your country, and i would have gone to bat for you and asked accounting to make a exception?
Do you remember me asking you nicely yesterday "why are you so combative with me"?
Threats are just not what gets things done.
Worse though is the way you attempted to paint me.

unnecessary thread...... btw. LauraLee i owe you an email....

Oh now you are a fucking liar saying I altered that ICQ log.

Let me make some screenshots of it you fucking lair. I croped crap out where it shows cropped out but that log was NOT altered as to the content and the timestamps.

Fucking liar.

Wait. I'll screenshot this motherfucker just for you.

This thread was done. You brought it back.

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Here you go you lying fucking ***.

Who's the fucking liar now?

If you're going to be so rude as to post icq logs, don't duplicate the screens and cut a bunch of stuff off of them.

Looks to me like Laura Lee was trying to help you -- you did agree to the minimum payout with their program BEFORE you sent the first hit -- she is not in charge of accounting --

So you still owe her an apology by my count.

Really Laura? Because what I see from MY end is this:

Date : 4/13/2005 Time : 9:01 AM
From : Laura Lee
what i find real hilarious is that you are the only account from Mexico that has told me they don't get their mail. LOL

Do you have something different since maybe I have ALTERED this one?

You got some SERIOUS atittude problems...

Ever considered Anger Management? gezzzz

Total bullshit thread. If ANYONE considers listening to this guy and taking his 2cents seriously you have issues.

This is a classic example of people with no idea what they are doing sending some traffic, not making money and being so desperate for $40 they need to come to the boards and flame one of the most reputable affiliate reps, with the top adult company on the net.

Nice try dude - just back off and let the thread drop to page 2.

Since you see fit to interject, then can you identify the first "fool" who posted (chopped) ICQ log in this thread?

Well she said I altered them as in they were not true/made up. That's bullshit and she knows it.

Um, no. Actually on the signup form it says $5.00. What other wisdom do you have to impart on us Kimmy?

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Oh I tried that. It was "100% resolved". Then someone came along all saying that I altered some shit..

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I read the entire ICQ conversation.....and it looks to me like Laura remained professional the whole time.

Who posts a conversation log that proves the OTHER person was right?

What a tool

I can certainly identify the first icq log posted in this thread.

This first post in the thread would look like the one.

Ok Touche Kimmy. But that was as a reference as to what the trread is about and it didn't name names. So my bad only, no one else. LOL.

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just in case you missed this post...it will help you tru life belive me

I didn't miss it, I just don't care. I almost always get my way in everything I do so nothing else matters.

Thanks for the resurrection bump. We sure don't want the thread to die off now do we?

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LOL, TCG is not a bad company, they'd have gotten this worked out for you without all this drama, I'd be willing to bet.

Drama is not good.

I can't believe I spent the last 20 minutes reading this whole thread and all this over only $40? Wow, that says a lot to make a huge fuss over this. First off, congrats to LL for remaining professional this whole time, wow, I would have lost it and just hit the terminate account button

Secondly, AST, your approach of bringing something like this to the boards over a matter of only $40 is rather sad. It makes your company look bad, not TCG. If anything, TCG took the high road and knowing them, you'll probably still get paid your $40. Anyways, I don't see why all this drama was necessary over an epassporte payment when it was clearly in the terms all the payouts but nevertheless TCG did a fantastic job in keeping their cool and answering you.

Regards,
WG