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iBill to release $21,000,000 in payments

04-12-2005, 10:07 PM

Interesting article on AVN regarding iBill

IBD Will Make Initial Payments to iBill Clients

"Interactive Brand Development (IBD) will start making First Data Bank payments this Friday in what it hopes will be the biggest statement yet that the company is intent upon pulling a Lazarus act with payment processor iBill."

....

"Gone are remnants of the old iBill, including former president Cathy Beardsley and transitional president Charles Prast, whose last day on the job was April 4. Added are in-house legal counsel and an advisor dedicated solely to working out settlements with webmasters."

Seems to me like the new management at iBill is making serious efforts to regain confidence and improve the condition of the company. The proof will be in the pudding this Friday...

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04-12-2005, 10:10 PM

I'll believe it when i see the cash!

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04-13-2005, 04:37 AM

Even if they do repay everyone in full, would you trust them in the future?
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04-13-2005, 04:39 AM

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04-13-2005, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Even if they do repay everyone in full, would you trust them in the future?
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04-13-2005, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Even if they do repay everyone in full, would you trust them in the future?
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04-13-2005, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Even if they do repay everyone in full, would you trust them in the future?
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That's a good question. I'm not sure of my answer but I would consider using them again if they paid everyone in full. It seems to me that if they paid everybody in full that they probably did not intend on 'stealing' the money but that they did everything possible to keep their business and their clients business. From what I've read, the cause of Ibill's woes was mismanagement and bad decision making. What company doesn't have a backup merchant account when they know their current one is going to close? When First Data says we're getting out of adult processing in a few months, you look for an alternative.

Assuming they have new management and pay in full, I would give them a chance. It's my understanding that other processors had issues with paying at one time or another and that didn't stop people from using them once payments came thru. Some of those are now the leaders in the processing sector.
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04-13-2005, 04:47 AM

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04-13-2005, 04:48 AM

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04-13-2005, 04:51 AM

i'd take the 21 million and then move to siberia

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04-13-2005, 05:30 AM

Problem is they totally fucked all of the affiliates too and are offering them absolutely NOTHING. They leave it up to the program owners to payout the past due monies to the affiliates out of their settlement monies, which they wont even see for 2 years.

I don't understand how or why ibill would go through all this trouble to say we've cleaned up our act and turned a new leaf when they are STILL witholding affiliate payouts even though their being deducted from the master accounts.
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04-13-2005, 05:49 AM

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Problem is they totally fucked all of the affiliates too and are offering them absolutely NOTHING. They leave it up to the program owners to payout the past due monies to the affiliates out of their settlement monies, which they wont even see for 2 years.

I don't understand how or why ibill would go through all this trouble to say we've cleaned up our act and turned a new leaf when they are STILL witholding affiliate payouts even though their being deducted from the master accounts.

Agreed!!!

Once I see the money I'm owed since last year on affiliiate sales I made for several programs they can kiss my fuckin' ass. They keep rebilling surfers and paying the program owners (mostly) but they keep our (the webmaster) 50%?

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04-13-2005, 05:57 AM

just keep getting fucked over with them, glad I'm not owed a shitload of money
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04-13-2005, 06:37 AM

well i wish them luck.

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04-13-2005, 06:39 AM

I'll never trust them again.
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04-13-2005, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by LionDollars

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Originally posted by WiredGuy

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04-13-2005, 06:44 AM

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Never say never because 12 months is a long time on the net.

Exactly, who knows in 12 months time they may be the only third party processor still going, you never know. If they paid everyone up, I would think within a few months they will be exactly in the same position as they are now. Including small sites and even the big sites

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04-13-2005, 07:08 AM

How's that expression go...
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04-13-2005, 07:10 AM

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Exactly, who knows in 12 months time they may be the only third party processor still going, you never know. If they paid everyone up, I would think within a few months they will be exactly in the same position as they are now. Including small sites and even the big sites

Same position as now? You mean oweing more money to webmasters and handing out promises with another company promising to take over and fix things?
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04-13-2005, 07:13 AM

I found this line kind of interesting...

IBD, which also owns 35 percent of Penthouse and 25 percent of XTV

The XTV posters on here were denying any connection between iBill/IBD and XTV. This article could be incorrect, but it seems to me like XTV and iBill both funnel up to the same entity.

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04-13-2005, 07:32 AM

I can forgive the problems with the payments (if they do end up paying) but what I cannot forgive is their lies and their arrogant attitude about it. They bounced close to $10,000 in checks to me and told me to mail the checks back to them and they would be reissued. After I mailed the checks back they told me they would be reissued on the next payout, and we all know there was no next payout. I ended up filing a complaint with the Broward County bad check unit and just as they were about to file felony charges against them they reissued the checks.

As far as this settlement they are offering. My Attorney looked it over and she told me there is no reason whatsoever to agree to it. They owe the money either way and by signing it you are waiving any legal rights. I also want to know what happened to all the money from the hundreds of affiliates we had over the years that never hit the $50 threshold and were never paid. For some reason Ibill thinks this is their money.
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04-13-2005, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Hedonistic

i'd take the 21 million and then move to siberia

Then get it taken away like candy from a baby.

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04-13-2005, 07:39 AM

all my fucking affiliated rebills are gone !!!!!
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04-13-2005, 07:39 AM

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04-13-2005, 07:51 AM

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04-13-2005, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

How's that expression go...
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I defintely hear you. It would take some pretty intimate knowledge of the new ownership for me to feel even comfortable using them again. But if I had such info I would consider it. If they decide to pay out millions instead of running away with it, it's a huge step in the right direction. It's something no other processor that went belly up has done (wsb, globill) because running off with millions is an easy way out.

Ibill must have done something right to have become at one time the largest processor, but along the way for whatever reason (beuracracy?, mismanagement?, scandal?) they took a wrong turn.

With that said, I think that even if they regain their composure they will only be a shadow of their former selves for some time. It's a regretable situation.
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04-13-2005, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

How's that expression go...
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Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me.

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Totally understand where you're coming from. I was not apart of the whole September First Data mess and my hearts go out to you guys who are (hope you get paid this Friday too!).

I've been using their secured solution for the past two months to process content sales and am satisfied thus far. No missed payments.

The new management and paying out $21m is definitely a good thing. It clearly sets the pace and their intention. I think iBill is heading in the right direction and that they are making a real effort to re-establish themselves in the community.

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04-13-2005, 11:41 AM

It's a shame they keep naming Cathy Beardsley in connection to ibill not paying out. She worked at iBill for years before they were sold and everyone got paid on time then. All the stuff that happened last year was not of her doing.

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04-13-2005, 11:58 AM

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It's a shame they keep naming Cathy Beardsley in connection to ibill not paying out. She worked at iBill for years before they were sold and everyone got paid on time then. All the stuff that happened last year was not of her doing.

I remember not long ago that IBD was saying on the CMI that one of the reasons they decided to take over ibill and felt comfortable with it was because of Cathys help and that she was going to help them through all the mess for atleast another 30 days and possibly longer with other projects. Now it seems they are talking as if she was one of the major problems..... or is it just me reading it wrong? Maybe they found out different after they looked further? I don't know Cathy personally just thought it was wierd that they would (seemingly) double talk about thier feelings toward her. But heck.... we're getting paid right?

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04-14-2005, 07:44 AM

Anyone get there FD wire yet?

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04-14-2005, 08:05 AM

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Anyone get there FD wire yet?

Hold tight tiger, according to the article, it starts this Friday if you completed all the steps.
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04-14-2005, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

How's that expression go...
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There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again.
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04-14-2005, 08:49 AM

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There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again.

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04-14-2005, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Even if they do repay everyone in full, would you trust them in the future?
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Probably not, but lets just get paid on the balances owed!

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04-14-2005, 09:59 AM

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I remember not long ago that IBD was saying on the CMI that one of the reasons they decided to take over ibill and felt comfortable with it was because of Cathys help and that she was going to help them through all the mess for atleast another 30 days and possibly longer with other projects. Now it seems they are talking as if she was one of the major problems..... or is it just me reading it wrong? Maybe they found out different after they looked further? I don't know Cathy personally just thought it was wierd that they would (seemingly) double talk about thier feelings toward her. But heck.... we're getting paid right?

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04-14-2005, 10:01 AM

i'll believe it when i see it
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04-14-2005, 10:01 AM

i know several people that will be really happy about that
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04-14-2005, 10:05 AM

fuck it.. I gave up long time ago

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04-14-2005, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by BradM

There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again.

That was president bush's attempt to say what I said above but he fucked it up and his media tried to spin it as a variation to not look like an idiot. LOL. It's in the end of Michael Moore's movie too

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04-14-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by gyrostastegood

Interesting article on AVN regarding iBill

IBD Will Make Initial Payments to iBill Clients

"Interactive Brand Development (IBD) will start making First Data Bank payments this Friday in what it hopes will be the biggest statement yet that the company is intent upon pulling a Lazarus act with payment processor iBill."

....

"Gone are remnants of the old iBill, including former president Cathy Beardsley and transitional president Charles Prast, whose last day on the job was April 4. Added are in-house legal counsel and an advisor dedicated solely to working out settlements with webmasters."

Seems to me like the new management at iBill is making serious efforts to regain confidence and improve the condition of the company. The proof will be in the pudding this Friday...

There is always an interesting turn of phrase when it comes to iBill owners, shareholders or management.

The quotes you used are those of Gary Spaniak Jr - the "President" of Care Concepts and, near as dammit, similiar status in IBD? This is the smartass who now appears to be claiming "new brushes sweep clean" and there is such a thing as an "old Bill" and a new iBill. Gimme a break :-)

Is Spaniak trying to suggest he is pleased to see the "remnants of the old iBill" gone and "blame" being cast on them? If so, Spaniak needs to remember Prast is involved with his own activities in promoting XTV. Instead of using the biblical name of Lazarus in his statement, maybe Judas is more relevant.

Bottom line... who is IBD? Molina, Bell, Galanis and a string of other folks you would not invite to a dinner table. Whether the flavor of the day is Gkard, XTV or a resurrection of iBill, - it remains there are a series of people with fraud, felony fraud, (and all the variations of fraud offenses in the US) as well as drug offenses and other convictions involved.

These are people who either directly or in association with others fraudulently stole people's homes and left them homeless, - and yes, there is still the small matter of recovering the majority of the $400 million defrauded in one instance. How's your memory Jason - you remember where the funds are? You may have to ask Molina. There is also several small matters where the presentation of several million dollars on tables have caused concern, in that there was an inability to show the source of funds. What's new?

When you consider whether you would use iBill again, remember the series of past broken promises and utter bullshit and also who you are dealing with - namely, paper-shuffling fraudulent crooks and scammers who use "shareholdings", corporate paperwork, forward-looking statements and fancy words as tools.

No statements by these people can be taken at face value. They already have been proven to be not-exactly-a-true-picture or were simply more bullshit.

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04-14-2005, 02:27 PM

Ok will be back tomorrows to see if we can have a party!

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04-14-2005, 05:11 PM

"These are people who either directly or in association with others fraudulently stole people's homes and left them homeless, - and yes, there is still the small matter of recovering the majority of the $400 million defrauded in one instance. How's your memory Jason - you remember where the funds are? You may have to ask Molina. There is also several small matters where the presentation of several million dollars on tables have caused concern, in that there was an inability to show the source of funds. What's new?"

Is that like, stealing candy from a baby? Instead it's stealing houses from adults? lol
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04-15-2005, 03:41 AM

The money that is suppose to be released today isnt coming from Ibill, its another lie. Its the money firstdata held. Ibill wants the credit for the payments being made, you can bet you butt that if the money went through the ibill system they would be putting up a message saying " we are currently experiencing problems, there will a slight delay Check back in 6 months"

Give credit where credit is due. FirstData is paying direct to clients

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04-15-2005, 03:48 AM

i am very anxious to see if this happens...i have friends that are owed a nice chunk of change, and they have been very patient...like most of you all have...

kudos to you all for having patience, i would have driven to ibill and slit some throats by now
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04-15-2005, 05:19 AM

most now in the industry wont trust them again since it has been two times - not too mention how horribly they treated everyone during the process. How can they erase or bring back peoples homes or business's that were lost because of their arrogance and "shell" games.

unfortunately there will always be newbies who will fill in the void once again - a whole new generation of webmasters who will get fucked over again and again and again until they get bored of fucking you guys in the ass.

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04-15-2005, 05:42 AM

I dont see how any affiliate program can use them as a processer or anything since they are STILL witholding all of the affiliate payouts.
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04-15-2005, 06:00 AM

Good morning... any payments in your account yet? I am still waiting... and waiting and waiting.... anyone have good news?

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04-15-2005, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by MickeyG

I dont see how any affiliate program can use them as a processer or anything since they are STILL witholding all of the affiliate payouts.

Completely agree, it's amazing. Yet I found 2 programs just this week which still offer only iBill as their 3rd-party processor...

I don't know, skimming through this thread, it astonishes me that some people might be willing to give them another chance and even more that others are still using iBill products, albeit under a different brand name. Why? Sure there is no guarantee anyone else will not screw up one day, but when there are perfectly good (so far) alternatives, what the heck is the motivation to work with someone who has already behaved as iBill have.
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04-15-2005, 07:01 AM

I have a "small" wire, dont think it is ibill.

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04-15-2005, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by debsdeepthroat

The money that is suppose to be released today isnt coming from Ibill, its another lie. Its the money firstdata held. Ibill wants the credit for the payments being made, you can bet you butt that if the money went through the ibill system they would be putting up a message saying " we are currently experiencing problems, there will a slight delay Check back in 6 months"

Give credit where credit is due. FirstData is paying direct to clients

Just curious. I don't know much about the situation. I thought that only Ibill could pay clients because the clients belong to Ibill and not to First Data. Wouldn't it be illegal for First Data to pay clients directly?

If you're owed by Ibill, I wouldn't get your hopes up regardless how promising news sounds until you get your money. My understanding though is that they have been paying EU clients.
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