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04-11-2005, 10:00 AM

Allie and I are taking NaughtyBank to the next level. We feel the first step is the integration of a more robust affiliate backend. We?ve narrowed it down to the following and would like to hear some feedback (pros, cons, etc) from affiliates, programs using these solutions as well as the software companies themselves.

The following options are in no particular order

1. NATS
2. Executive Stats
3. MPA 3
4. Partner Soft
5. Custom Solution
6. CCBill ? Just stick with CCBill?s built in affiliate software and add marketing tools such as gallery generators, custom text file output, etc.

Please limit your comments to constructive input only. I want to hear about the good, bad and the ugly however I?m not looking to see this turn into a pissing match or bashing of one company or another. If there?s anything you?d like to contribute privately please fee free to contact me on ICQ: 159623433 Thanks!
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04-11-2005, 10:03 AM

Feel free to contact me on ICQ or email and I will be happy to give you demo access to the MPA3 webmaster and admin area. This way you can compare the products your self as well.

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04-11-2005, 10:04 AM

I am just waiting for someone to go to the next step and offer 2 different choices of affiliate system backends...As all of these will always have their pro's and con's and some will like this one but not this one.

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04-11-2005, 10:08 AM

I don't know anything about NATS but we've used MPA3 for a while, it is very nice software and the MPA team is very responsive to your technical requirements/support issues.

However in the end we decided to go the custom route so that we can have more flexibility as far as what our program can offer webmasters. Plus I don't like renting software

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04-11-2005, 10:08 AM

All have their negatives and positives. Just make sure you have money available to purchase / integrate into a different script if one doesn't work well...

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04-11-2005, 10:10 AM

mpa3 or executive stats.

or hell, just add some more promo matrerial and stick with ccbill, seeing people rebill for 8-9 months on my stats means ya'll must be doing something right, if it aint broke dont fix it :D

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04-11-2005, 10:13 AM

My only suggestion would be to make sure you have access to the code. If not, it is like running a webmaster program with your hands tied and on your head. Do not make the mistake of going with a program with no code. Customizations can be very difficult, if not impossible.

No code is fine of the guy doing 20 joins a day, but not got a legit program IMHO.

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04-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by JakeR

mpa3 or executive stats.

or hell, just add some more promo matrerial and stick with ccbill, seeing people rebill for 8-9 months on my stats means ya'll must be doing something right, if it aint broke dont fix it :D

Thanks, I'm sure adding a more robust affiliate backend won't have an impact on member retention.

BTW, you're only retaining 8-9 months? We're going to have to work on that for you. Seriously though, we've been doing some things in the member's area that will only increase member retention. We're striving for 12 months+ right now and it looks very attainable.
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04-11-2005, 11:01 AM

Jake,

I have no idea if you got a demo of any of the ones mentioned yet, but I highly suggest you get one so you see exactly what they have to offer.

If you want a NATS demo, let me know on ICQ.

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04-11-2005, 11:02 AM

Go custom, why rely on a third party when you can have everything in your own hands. For the money that the full code (if available) of any of these solutions cost you can have your own custom solution easily

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04-11-2005, 11:03 AM

of those i would choose Executive Stats

NATS = no source, sucks big time.
MPA = lots of bad press in the past and some people are unwilling to even use programs using thier software.
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04-11-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Jake

Allie and I are taking NaughtyBank to the next level. We feel the first step is the integration of a more robust affiliate backend. We?ve narrowed it down to the following and would like to hear some feedback (pros, cons, etc) from affiliates, programs using these solutions as well as the software companies themselves.

The following options are in no particular order

1. NATS
2. Executive Stats
3. MPA 3
4. Partner Soft
5. Custom Solution
6. CCBill ? Just stick with CCBill?s built in affiliate software and add marketing tools such as gallery generators, custom text file output, etc.

Please limit your comments to constructive input only. I want to hear about the good, bad and the ugly however I?m not looking to see this turn into a pissing match or bashing of one company or another. If there?s anything you?d like to contribute privately please fee free to contact me on ICQ: 159623433 Thanks!

Maybe the most important thing to look at when you chose what kind of backend you will use for your core business is to look for what kind of experience the company you chose have. Has the company been in business for some time doing what they do? Do they have a good client base that keeps them just busy enough and that helps them getting better at the same time? Is the solution well tested over time, time and time again, or is the product fairly new and only in the first phase of its infancy with not enough clients to base itself on? Talk to the companies clients. Not just one, but several, get the inside scoop of things.

Any and all of the above things are important to look at when making such an important choice. Because in the end - it is YOUR business?

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04-11-2005, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Jake

Thanks, I'm sure adding a more robust affiliate backend won't have an impact on member retention.

BTW, you're only retaining 8-9 months? We're going to have to work on that for you. Seriously though, we've been doing some things in the member's area that will only increase member retention. We're striving for 12 months+ right now and it looks very attainable.

Very Nice retention Congrats to both of you on that

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04-11-2005, 11:14 AM

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Very Nice retention Congrats to both of you on that

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04-11-2005, 11:20 AM

renting software can be very bad, I never rent.

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04-11-2005, 11:31 AM

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Maybe the most important thing to look at when you chose what kind of backend you will use for your core business is to look for what kind of experience the company you chose have. Has the company been in business for some time doing what they do?

I agree. We have been around since 1997, paysites since 1998. Paid out in the tens of millions of dollars.

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04-11-2005, 11:40 AM

ES since you get the source code so you can add features when you wish with your own programmer.
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04-11-2005, 04:05 PM

Wow - I can't believe this is on the 3rd page. I guess I should have said, "new model, pics inside" or something like that?
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04-11-2005, 04:14 PM

We are very happy with Nats so far...
Have you looked at x3 (ibelieve that's what it's called) NastyDollars and OXCash use them, they are pretty solid programs with a good track record!

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04-11-2005, 04:59 PM

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04-11-2005, 05:21 PM

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We are very happy with Nats so far...
Have you looked at x3 (ibelieve that's what it's called) NastyDollars and OXCash use them, they are pretty solid programs with a good track record!

Are you talking about PartnerSoft V5 from X3 Scripts? I've checked them out but haven't demo'd it. Anyone else have any feedback on them?
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04-11-2005, 05:51 PM

Just stick with ccbill
And if you do change to nats, mpa 3 etc pls keep the option to continue to promote you with ccbill or you will lose people promoting you including me

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04-11-2005, 06:15 PM

Who are you processors besides CCbill? We are using Netbilling as our primary and Ccbill as backup (secondary) and are currently using a custom affiliate soluton that is simple so we have started to look at NATS and MPA3 which both work well with our processors from what I am told.

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04-11-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Paparazzi

Just stick with ccbill
And if you do change to nats, mpa 3 etc pls keep the option to continue to promote you with ccbill or you will lose people promoting you including me

Why would the processor matter as long as you are getting paid?

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04-11-2005, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by BradShaw

My only suggestion would be to make sure you have access to the code. If not, it is like running a webmaster program with your hands tied and on your head. Do not make the mistake of going with a program with no code. Customizations can be very difficult, if not impossible.

No code is fine of the guy doing 20 joins a day, but not got a legit program IMHO.

I would have to agree with Brad. DO NOT go with nats since you will have no flexibility to customize anything, this will prove to be a big mistake down the road.
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04-11-2005, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Jon

I am just waiting for someone to go to the next step and offer 2 different choices of affiliate system backends...As all of these will always have their pro's and con's and some will like this one but not this one.

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04-11-2005, 06:38 PM

I would say to stick with CCBill. Lots of people trust them, and some, like me do not like using other companies. But you have never responded to the e-mails that I have sent you, so I dont expect you to see this.

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04-11-2005, 06:40 PM

Nathan from NATS (posted above) is very helpfull and easy to deal with. Would suggest talking to him about their program.

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04-11-2005, 06:43 PM

Here's another vote to stick with CCBill. Plain and simple--I trust them more than the others and I often earn more $/unique with CCBill programs.
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04-11-2005, 06:47 PM

this is great info/opinions, i'm just commenting so i keep this thread in my subscribed list so i can keep watch, i'm curious as well. thx!

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04-11-2005, 07:10 PM

Well I'll stop promoting the site if you choose NATS.
Almost every sponsor I've been promoting who switched to NATS is now doing terrible.
You would shit your pants if you saw the difference.
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04-11-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Zprogramz

Who are you processors besides CCbill? We are using Netbilling as our primary and Ccbill as backup (secondary) and are currently using a custom affiliate soluton that is simple so we have started to look at NATS and MPA3 which both work well with our processors from what I am told.

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Our program is currently run exclusively through CCBill but we also have our own merchant account with NetBilling and are in the application process with Epoch. What affiliate solution are you currently using?
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04-11-2005, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by pornguy

I would say to stick with CCBill. Lots of people trust them, and some, like me do not like using other companies. But you have never responded to the e-mails that I have sent you, so I dont expect you to see this.

Gregg, I'm not really sure where this comment comes from? I personally respond to every e-mail sent to me. The only e-mail I have from you is one regarding a request for a custom video of Allie for a friend of yours that runs a strip club in Mexico. I replied to that e-mail back in December of last year. I would be more then happy to forward that to you if you did not receive it.

If there were additional e-mails sent to me please tell me what address they were sent to because I've never received anything else from you.

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04-11-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Jake

Our program is currently run exclusively through CCBill but we also have our own merchant account with NetBilling and are in the application process with Epoch. What affiliate solution are you currently using?

We have a solution now that was custom written but it is a bit old so instead of re-writing the book, we are going to choose NATS, MPA or one of the others. They all seem to have their ups and downs. We have excellent conversions through Netbilling and their staff is really top notch. We have been with them for years and only use 3rd party as a backup now.

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04-11-2005, 09:12 PM

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I agree. We have been around since 1997, paysites since 1998. Paid out in the tens of millions of dollars.

Yeah but how long has your program been using executive stats?

You were using fantasymans high rollers program for several years....so to make it seem like your ES program has been around since 98 and you've paid out tens of millions through it is misleading.

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04-11-2005, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

Yeah but how long has your program been using executive stats?

You were using fantasymans high rollers program for several years....so to make it seem like your ES program has been around since 98 and you've paid out tens of millions through it is misleading.

Hew as talking about trusted companies, IE siccash. Everyone knows what Bradshaw does and does well.

Executive stats has been getting the rounds to people's ears. May be worth looking into Jake!
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04-11-2005, 09:24 PM

I'm a firm believer in the NATS software suite. The features are amazing, the affiliate tools are easy to implement and their team is solid. I've witnessed the opposite of what others are saying. I convert better with programs that use NATS, as opposed to ccbill or Epoch alone. Just having the campaign feature alone is a killer tool for affiliates to monitor their traffic sources.

The cascading billing is the way to go!
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04-11-2005, 09:32 PM

NATS does not give you the code.. sure... but when it comes to adding things, NATS adds them to the current version (which is updated immediately, where others come out with block updates months to years later).
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04-11-2005, 10:42 PM

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04-12-2005, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Afrin

I would have to agree with Brad. DO NOT go with nats since you will have no flexibility to customize anything, this will prove to be a big mistake down the road.

Actually Afrin, a good programmer can easily extend NATS with their own features. We have multiple programs that have their own ad tools system for example. Its not rocket science to extend NATS, just certain parts of the system are extremely protected.

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04-12-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Paparazzi

Just stick with ccbill
And if you do change to nats, mpa 3 etc pls keep the option to continue to promote you with ccbill or you will lose people promoting you including me

We'll continue to offer CCBill as an option regardless of which backend solution we choose although I find it hard to believe that anyone would choose "CCBill only" over a "cascading solution that included CCBill".

Any particular reason why you would make this choice? This same question goes out to others who have made similar comments in this thread.
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04-12-2005, 08:20 AM

Why is it necessary to have the code if the company adds features as they are needed? How important is that really?

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04-12-2005, 09:33 AM

After 2,5 years with MPA2 we came to realize which parts of the program a program owner should have open source to to do their own customization needs. So in MPA3 we opened up the most requested ones that would not directly interfer with the main source that protects vital functionalities of the program.

This now seems to have been a smart move. Customers can customize the things needed to do regular "business changes" when needed, and when special customization is needed they ask for a quote, get it, and we do it within the specified timeframe given. Works like a charm.

The DANGER of giving out the source code to "anyone" is that when something happens that needs attention in the form of support, WE, the creators of the software have no way of knowing what was done to the source by the customer, hence creating a confusion whereas to who is to "blame" or who is to "fix what was broken". It is a very cheap insurance and a way to create a comfort level that both sides can accept the terms of.

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04-12-2005, 09:49 AM

Go with NATS, StudioCash has and we are extremely happy.

MPA3 are great people as well and have a good product.

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04-12-2005, 09:57 AM

I have heard nothing but good things about Partnersoft - many of the largest programs on the web use them and there must be a reason why....
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04-12-2005, 10:14 AM

Like I have told you, we use Nats for our affiliate program Sammy Smack and have been very happy with them and our program has only grown since switching over to them. The admin is easy to use and they have been helpful in working with us getting everything the way we need it.

What are you looking to gain by switching to a new affiliate program back end?

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04-12-2005, 10:14 AM

Jake as I said before Netbiling and Nats Combo with CCBill as a backup in your cascade is a great solution for you guys to go forth with.

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04-12-2005, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Sammy4u-Brett

Jake as I said before Netbiling and Nats Combo with CCBill as a backup in your cascade is a great solution for you guys to go forth with.

Thanks for that Brett! We have a bunch of our merchants using all of the programs mentioned here with terrific results. I'm looking forward to seeing you in San Diego.

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04-12-2005, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Sammy4u

....What are you looking to gain by switching to a new affiliate program back end?

These are just a few of the things we're looking to gain:
- Webmaster tools such as hosted gallery text link output in multiple formats, optional tours, and other marketing tools.
- Hoping to pick up that extra 5-20% in sales that most programs seem to realize when using a cascading solution.
- Integrated member management across all processors used in the cascade.
- MOST IMPORTANTLY: Diversification - It's just not a smart move to have all your eggs in one basket regardless of how secure that "basket" is.
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04-12-2005, 11:13 AM

We use Netbilling as our only processor and are very pleased and we do not have an affiliate program currently but are thinking of adding one.

Does cascading really add many sales when you have your own merchant account and are able to set your own fraud scrubbing levels? Does anyone have any data to show? Also, is anyone doing cascading for products sales or it is all memberships?
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