NATS - Disallow join option for old members? Any program owners using this option?

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  • JOKER
    Facit Omnia Voluntas
    • Apr 2003
    • 2105
    #16
    Originally posted by KrisKross
    Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.
    Pay per initial sale would make more sense

    PPS initial sale, then Revshare - a "day-surfer" that joins a few times per month is better than a surfer that is pissed and goes to the next site cause he doesnt want to get forced into a rebilling monthly schedule
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      • JOKER
        Facit Omnia Voluntas
        • Apr 2003
        • 2105
        #17
        Originally posted by Nathan
        This actually has nothing to do with a flaw, if a member joins and was referrered, the referrer gets credited, period. Wouldn't call this a flaw.

        We have added the "disallow join option for old members" feature in v3 of NATS.
        You know what I meant.

        Don't take everything as an insult to your product - it's a flaw in a way, as the Sponsor pays PPS everytime the same guy joins on a daily basis and could cause a huge profit-leak.

        You've seen my ideas in this thread - use it or not, thats up to you and your customers.
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          • d00t
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2002
            • 3766
            #18
            Granted I have nfi how NATS works.... but our system matches emails/name on the join, if a match, then they are sent to a monthly price option with no trial. They also have the option to "re-activate" their membership based on previous information entered. A discount is applied to their monthly membership rate equal to the amount of $$ they have spent on their first trial signup.

            To make it even more interesting, if the user is in any way matched to a webmaster account, it will flag both accounts.

            Maybe NATS v190 will catch up to the rest hehe;)
            Last edited by d00t; 07-27-2006, 11:36 PM.

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              • JOKER
                Facit Omnia Voluntas
                • Apr 2003
                • 2105
                #19
                Originally posted by KrisKross
                Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.
                Also Upsells work quite well with these surfers, as the are "shopping" around quite a bit - so the Sponsor does not really have to lose money
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                  • Nathan
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 3108
                    #20
                    Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.
                    You know what I meant.

                    Don't take everything as an insult to your product - it's a flaw in a way, as the Sponsor pays PPS everytime the same guy joins on a daily basis and could cause a huge profit-leak.

                    You've seen my ideas in this thread - use it or not, thats up to you and your customers.

                    Didn't take it as an insult... and I'm happy people discuss features of NATS on the boards, helps us figure out what people want most.

                    I know that its a problem, of course it is, its also a good indication of fraud if it happends often.

                    That is why we added the feature, if we thought its not a problem we would not have added the feature of course...
                    "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                    - Charlie Munger

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                      • KrisKross
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 5025
                        #21
                        Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.
                        Also Upsells work quite well with these surfers, as the are "shopping" around quite a bit - so the Sponsor does not really have to lose money
                        At $9.95 a pop for the surfer and a payout of $35 PPS, the upsell would have to generate an average of over $30 each time in order to cover the payout, the processing fees, the bandwith and earn even a slight profit for the program. This is obviously not likely at all.

                        The pay per initial and then revshare idea isn't a good solution either. Say it was $35 PPS and then 50% revshare. At $9.95, the surfer would have to signup 6-7 times at that rate in order to cover the payout, fees, bandwith and make a profit. Again, not likely.

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                          • Tempest
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • May 2004
                            • 10217
                            #22
                            Originally posted by media
                            Yes, but with our cookies lasting so long we have some members getting $75 for one member within a month period on multiple occasions, I know it's great for a webmaster and all if this happens but we do not see this as good for business in the long run for anyone...
                            Raise your payout to $35/$30 and change the TOS to only pay out on a surfers initial trial sale. Since the cookie is what's costing you money, can't you use it to raise the trial price? i.e. $4.95/3 days and then $7 for a week etc.

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                              • Alky
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2002
                                • 5651
                                #23
                                isn't it kind of a cost of doing business?

                                i don't see anyone complaining when someone rebills for 12 months when they only had to pay out $35.


                                sure i would try and limit excessive trials... but a few i dont know.

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                                  • JOKER
                                    Facit Omnia Voluntas
                                    • Apr 2003
                                    • 2105
                                    #24
                                    Originally posted by KrisKross
                                    At $9.95 a pop for the surfer and a payout of $35 PPS, the upsell would have to generate an average of over $30 each time in order to cover the payout, the processing fees, the bandwith and earn even a slight profit for the program. This is obviously not likely at all.

                                    The pay per initial and then revshare idea isn't a good solution either. Say it was $35 PPS and then 50% revshare. At $9.95, the surfer would have to signup 6-7 times at that rate in order to cover the payout, fees, bandwith and make a profit. Again, not likely.
                                    Is that your program in your sig?
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                                      • KrisKross
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2006
                                        • 5025
                                        #25
                                        Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.
                                        Is that your program in your sig?
                                        No, it is not.

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