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I believe that I will live again, But maybe I will transform to something else
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Animals have a spirit but not a soul. Humans have a spirit and a soul.
Consciousiness is technically our soul, but it transcends reality. Heaven and Hell are essentially the same thing, only different degrees of change. Hell would be the most chaotic form of reality, most 'hellish' at the Big Bang, and theoritically (if society has evolved) least 'hellish' now.
Time is simply the difference between chaos and harmony (as observed through particle accelerators). Thus at complete chaos you have zero time (Big Bang) and at complete harmony you have infinite time (Heaven).
Heaven to me is like a lucid-state of dreaming where reality is controlled by your thoughts in a ever dynamic shifting of unified quantum wave functions. They do say that your zero point self precludes your personality, so Heaven may be more serene than Earth, but it may not be as fun. Therefore if re-incarantion is real, it may only be only a by-product of energy's constant desire to achieve the stability it held as one in the source previous to the source sharing its Light, condensing into reality, and forming the God-head (the blueprint to return to ultimate balance).
Although I believe Heaven exists on Earth, right now, right in front of your eyes...only that you can't see it yet. Open your eyes!Comment
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I want to be a monkey in my next life. I'd be the alpha-male.Originally posted by HomerI believe that I will live again, But maybe I will transform to something else..and I'm off.Comment
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Tell you what Battuss/Franck.... wait a month until a new pope is elected, then travel to Rome and debate him on this subject. If you can convince him that his beliefs are all wrong then come back to this here thread and I'm sure everyone will have no problem falling in line with your whole "when you're dead you're dead" theory.
And it is a theory. Until you actually die none of us know for sure exactly what happens. That's why I say leave people the fuck alone, let them believe what they want to believe, quit ridiculing them for their beliefs and just be happy you're alive. That's about the best advice I can offer on this subject.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Care to explain that some more??Originally posted by quantComment
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ok.Originally posted by CDSmith
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Cool.Originally posted by Franck
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Originally posted by quant
How do you manage to breathe on your own?
Care about me?
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Originally posted by CDSmith
I hope thats just how you see GFY, and you dont look at life like that.Comment
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Actually its more retarded to think you know for a fact something doesnt exist simply because you cannot physically see it it or prove it. Do you believe air doesnt exist? Afterall you cannot see it. What about electricity? Gravity? 100 years ago there were no instruments to prove their existence. Scientists used to believe the earth was flat, or the sun revolved around the earth. To believe something is fact simply because man says it to be is nothing more than simple minded ignorance.Originally posted by FranckComment
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Do you believe in Santa Claus? If not, why? You can't PROVE he doesn't exist. So therefor he must exist?Originally posted by SuckOnThisComment
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god point!Originally posted by SuckOnThis
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Originally posted by GatorB
I guess the fact that presents don't mysteriously appear in my living room on christmas morning has shown me santa doesnt exist. Next.Comment
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Maybe because you are bad.Originally posted by SuckOnThis
So if I pray to God and my prayers aren't answered he doesn't exist?Comment
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Why? Do you go around trying to make everyone thiink the same way you do about their spiritual beliefs? Telling them they're wrong? Ridiculing them?Originally posted by sean416
I hope thats just how you see GFY, and you dont look at life like that.
If your answer is no, then..... what's wrong with my post?
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Originally posted by GatorB
Prayer is nothing more than an attempt to use energy to alter an outcome of a particular event. God is not interested in what you want. You chose the path you are on as an opportunity to grow, how you choose to deal with that is up to you.Comment
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So just because you don't get what you wish for doesn't mean something is not real. So once again PROVE Santa isn't real.Originally posted by SuckOnThisComment
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Originally posted by GatorB
Hey, if you don't believe in some type of creator then thats your choice. If you would like to think you are here by some type of chaotic biological accident with no meaning you're free to believe that. But I'm curious, what prevents you from going around killing and robbing people for your personal gain? Could it be you have a conscience? If so where does that come from?Comment
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No, I dont go around trying to force people to think like me.. but I do like provoke interesting debate. It's healthy.Originally posted by CDSmithComment
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I belive in reincarnation, no brainer why.Comment
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Probally the same thing that tells a mother bear to take care of her cubs and not eat them or maybe Vishnu or perhaps Zeus maybe Ra maybe Odin maybe Mother Earth. I find insulting that Christians think they are the only ones that can somehow have morals. Frankly I think it's sad that you would need a book to tell you that robbing and killing are bad or the threat of eternal damnation in a firey hell to keep you from robbing and killing others.Originally posted by SuckOnThisComment
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I believe the New Testament, the Torah, and the Quaran indicate that only humans have souls. Other religions like Hindu, consider animals part of the evolution of reincarnation.Originally posted by Franck
Depending on your connotation of choice, animals and humans definitely share one aspect of life (e.g. a spirit) but our consciousness (i.e. our soul) is so profound that it cannot be experienced by an animal. Nonetheless, animals, humans, and all of matter I believe is all part of one and the same.
The only reincarnation I look at seriously is the idea of the 50 Gates of Intelligence. It lists the transformation of the beginning of chaos, to its genesis into the four elements, creation of minerals, plants, animals, humans, the planets (the Heavens), and angels. It's interesting that "Man in the image of God" is only number 30 in our evolutionary path. Supposedly Moses only crossed the 49th gate the Archangels, while the 50th gate God Ain Suph has only been achieved by Jesus Christ.
If you want a more clear explanation of the difference between a feral creature and a conscious being, read The Fall of Man. From a logical standpoint, it's actually the Rise of Man, as we become aware and God-like. But the story is twisted and is merely religious propaganda.
A major difference between the Jewish and Christian versions is that Jews didn't view eating (learning) from the Tree of Knowledge (surrounds the Tree of Life) as the original sin, like Christians did. Rather they viewed the sin as their rebellious behavior against God. Note that it is considered Satanic or Luciferic to now learn from the Tree of Knowledge or Tree of Life, which is essentially the definition of God.
The 50 Gates of Intelligence are intricately related to the Tree of Life, as they were part of the Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation) supposedly created 6,000 years ago by the Patriach Abraham.
Those who say you should let people believe what they want, remember that beliefs have consequences. Besides, no matter what you believe there is only one truth and it seems to me those promoting religion want to supress that fact.
As for Alex's question of how I breathe on my own, I would say only by a coherent ultra-weak bioluminescence field in my cells that somehow intuitively knows, perhaps by their connection to God and his desire for stability, that I need oxygen to live. Hope you learned something useful.Comment
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Originally posted by KRL
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Originally posted by GatorB
Whoever said I was a Christian? I despise organized religion, especially Christianity. My point is that your moral compass, or sense of right and wrong or whatever you want to call it comes from within, so if there is no higher being where would that come from? Why would a sense of right or wrong even exist?Comment
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As a kid, many of my presents had "To little CD from Santa" on them.
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Our sense of right and wrong comes from the values instilled in us as children.Originally posted by SuckOnThis
It doesn't come from within, it comes from external influences.Comment
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Ok, thats as far as i need to read. If you base your facts on 2000 year old fables written by some random guy then i will not discuss with you....i might as well talk to a wall...makes as much sense.Originally posted by quant
Excuse my arrogance but i live in 2005. Sorry.Comment
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Laugh all you want.
I've spent 35 years studying and researching the subject. You have not.
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What sort of formal qualifications do you have?Originally posted by KRLComment
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If someone else chooses to believe in a higher power, who are you athieset losers to be ridiculing that person's beliefs? Debates like this go nowhere except to alienate people from one another, it's a useless argument.
I honestly don't know why some of you have such a problem with letting people believe what they want to believe, and you do the same and shaddap and don'ta worry be happy for fucka sakes :DPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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I reserve the right to ridicule whatever I want, especially beliefs I think are stupid.Originally posted by CDSmith
But thanks for caring.Comment
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Franck, I do not base my facts on 2,000 year old fables. I'm sorry if you stopped reading there, because you probably missed more profound ideas than that. Plus I thoroughly explained the inherent difference between an animal and a human, in terms of logic not religion. Your comment was completely opposite of what I said.Originally posted by Franck
You shouldn't be so arrogant to believe that you are smart just because it's 2005, but please by all means, give your enlightening retort.Comment
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What the...Originally posted by KRL"Energy can not be created or destroyed only transformed."
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Yet you have failed to show 1 piece of scientific proof...35 years and you cant bring ANYTING to the table...nothing...totally nothing.Originally posted by KRLComment
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I would like to add that if you've ever had sex with a beautiful girl, then you would believe in God. That doesn't mean the Bible or religion is true. Also, I wasn't using 2,000 year old fables, rather I was using 6,000 year old fables. Big difference.Comment
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Good. Of course I reserve the right to then call you on said ridicule.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
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Originally posted by KRL
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Ask yourself this question: "Have I ever died?"
If your answer is no, then STFU already. How can you know with 100% certainty what happens after death if you haven't died yet? First-hand knowledge talks, all other dumbass lameass speculation walks.
Btw, there are plenty of documented cases of resurrections in history. I myself was witness to one during my 15 years as a health care worker, having seen a patient pronounced dead by a physician, then 20 minutes later he was back. Some of these people had things to say about what they saw while their bodies were 100% dead.
The biggest problem I have with the argument of many athiests is how they cock off at the mouth like they know something you don't, along with the arrogance in their tone, like anyone who believes otherwise is a gullible idiot or something. Learn to fucking respect the beliefs of others. Or not, and remain an overbearing tool, your choice of course.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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i don't give too much thought about such questions
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Wow you really wasted all that time just to realize that once you die you die.Originally posted by KRL
This is a great example of why you should not owrry about "afterlife"Care about me?
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Me!
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Your soul may die after your body dies, but only because of a failure on your part. You have a very narrow view and understanding of reality, spirituality and science. There is actual proof of continuity of a soul and the existance of one.
Do you truly think that your somewhat dim conscious mind was created 20 or 30 years ago (or however old you are)? Perhaps the coherent field that makes you who you are has been constantly evolving for millions of years, with a certain purpose of attaining a balance between form and source.
Unfortunately for you, your biased judgement used to rationalize your illogical thoughts have overwhelmed you with a conditioning that has prevented you from considering the most basic of observations, that is -- gee maybe there exists a concept that transcends all others and is the source of All That Is.
Remember, the fundamental shift in Abraham's religious thought was the worship of ONE TRUE GOD, no matter how you define it, let's at least assume their is only one real possibility (even if god is random biological ordering). The truth lies in the Tree of Life.
Otherwise, if you can explain everything so well, please do. Also, how do you breathe on your own? God's mercy?Comment
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its true, you must have a certain age to give it a thoughtOriginally posted by jamesonxx
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