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  • VeriSexy
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    • Apr 2002
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    Super spammer sentenced to 9 years

    A MAN convicted in the United States' first felony prosecution for illegal spamming was sentenced to nine years in prison yesterday, but the Virginia judge postponed the sentence while the case is appealed. Judge Thomas Horne said that because the law targeting bulk e-mail distribution is new and raises constitutional questions, it was appropriate to defer the prison time until appeals courts rule.

    Jeremy Jaynes of Raleigh, N.C., was convicted in November for using false Internet addresses to send mass e-mail ads through an AOL server in Loudoun, Va.

    A jury had recommended the nine-year prison term.

    Prosecutors said Jaynes used the Internet to peddle bogus products and services such as a "FedEx refund processor."

    Virginia, where the AOL corporation is based, prosecuted the case under a law that took effect in 2003 barring people from sending bulk e-mail that is unsolicited and masks its origin.

    Jaynes told the judge that regardless of how the appeal turns out, "I can guarantee the court I will not be involved in the e-mail marketing business again."

    Lisa Hicks-Thomas, the prosecutor, said she was pleased with the ruling and confident that the law would be upheld on appeal.

    Defence lawyer David Oblon argued that nine years was far too long given that Jaynes was charged as an out-of-state resident with violating a Virginia law that had taken effect just two weeks before.

    The jury had also convicted Jaynes' sister, Jessica DeGroot, with a $7,500 fine.

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  • Sosa
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    • Oct 2002
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    #2
    your a quick one

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    • Pipecrew
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      • Feb 2002
      • 14888

      #3
      haha he will be a prison bitch in no time..

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      • etech
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        • Feb 2004
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        #4
        Sucks for him

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        • loverboy
          When it rains, it pours
          • May 2003
          • 20609

          #5
          that will teach those spam whores

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          • d00t
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            • Sep 2002
            • 3766

            #6
            I do feel sorry for that lad. Spam laws are WAYYYY tooo unrealistic.

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            • Spunky
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              • Jun 2002
              • 133978

              #7
              9 years will fly by and when he gets out he will probably do it all over again

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              • Blaze
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                • Oct 2001
                • 298

                #8
                What a joke. You would get less jail time for robbing a bank.

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                • GatorB
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                  • Oct 2001
                  • 18208

                  #9
                  If he raped someone or sold crack to kids in front of a elementary school he'd would have gotten less time.

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                  • mufas
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                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1054

                    #10
                    Fuck spamer !!

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                    • RawAlex
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 9465

                      #11
                      number of people annoyed and pissed off - he would get 9 years if he stolen 1 million from a bank - and the amount of money lost and wasted on 10 million spams per day is higher than that.

                      measure it right, he got off easy.

                      Alex

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                      • Redrob
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 4791

                        #12
                        I think scammers should get jailtime; but, spammers should get 9 years of public service cleaning up trash so they know what it feels like.

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                        • GatorB
                          The Demon & 12clicks
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 18208

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RawAlex

                          measure it right, he got off easy.

                          Alex
                          spamming > rape? Hmmmmmmm.

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                          • Beejeebers
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                            • Oct 2004
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                            #14
                            The sentence won't hold up. They're appealing it now. It was the DA who wanted to have a go at the new 2 week old law and make an example out of someone. I hate spammers, (only because they make way more then me), but it won't hold up.

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                            • webspider
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                              • Mar 2001
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                              #15
                              yep, that would be nice.
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                              • jimmyf
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                                • Feb 2001
                                • 12651

                                #16
                                Originally posted by d00t
                                I do feel sorry for that lad. Spam laws are WAYYYY tooo unrealistic.
                                18 years would fine with me. spammers are costing people one hell of a lot of money
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                                • jimmyf
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by RawAlex
                                  number of people annoyed and pissed off - he would get 9 years if he stolen 1 million from a bank - and the amount of money lost and wasted on 10 million spams per day is higher than that.

                                  measure it right, he got off easy.

                                  Alex
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                                  • MetaMan
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                                    • Jan 2003
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                                    #18
                                    good i hope the GFY spamming losers are next, you know who you are, its not my fault you suck at being a webmaster.

                                    spammers = death

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                                    • BlackCrayon
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                                      • Jun 2003
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jimmyf
                                      18 years would fine with me. spammers are costing people one hell of a lot of money
                                      its making more money than its costing. think of the anti spam software industry. the ppl the isps hire to take care of spam on their networks, ect. its a million dollar industry itself.
                                      you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                      • RawAlex
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 9465

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                        spamming > rape? Hmmmmmmm.
                                        Gator, I would never try to create a "schedule of evil" and try to attach value to each crime. However, it is obvious to me that this guy committed the crime hundreds of millions of times. imagine a guy who steals 1 cent from each person each day. Stealing pennies isn't a big deal - but do it enough...

                                        He is a scumbag who annoyed people and wasted the time of many many people in the world. If creating that level of public nuisance isn't punishable, what is?

                                        Alex

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                                        • squizzel
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                                          #21
                                          1/2 the people on gfy should go to prison for spamming.

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                                          • d00t
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                                            • Sep 2002
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jimmyf
                                            18 years would fine with me. spammers are costing people one hell of a lot of money
                                            tell me... how does a spammer cost me money? dont give me some BS about the 0.85/seconds it takes to delete 1 email 10 times a day. I spend more time jerking off than I do deleting spam emails. Hell I even spent more time replying to this post than I do deleting 500,000+ spams/day...

                                            I'd like to see the paper boy that that delivers the paper every week thrown in jail for 9 years too. And the telemarkers that call while we're at it.
                                            If he was just clearly ripping people off, then maybe, but straight up spam does not justify 9 years behind bars.

                                            Remember... 1 internet year = 3 years in real world. that's 27 years behind bars!

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                                            • pornguy
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                                              #23
                                              I think that is the biggest fucking joke in the world, Next to Bush himself.
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                                              • Alky
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                                                #24
                                                i guess spam is exposing people to things they dont want to see by GFY's standards...

                                                so are CJ sites spam? TGP with trade scripts?

                                                afterall you are wasting the users time... so it must be spam

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                                                • blazi
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                                                  #25
                                                  they sure are cracking down hard on spammers these days!

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                                                  • Steen2
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                                                    #26
                                                    I hope most of that time was for product/service theft, not for the actual spamming.
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                                                    • en1
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                                                      • Jun 2004
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                                                      #27
                                                      raises constitutional questions?? i wonder where that will go....

                                                      what would happen if they found can spam regulations to be unconstitutional....

                                                      spam legal....

                                                      i guarantee all the haters would then jump on board
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                                                      • VeriSexy
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                        its making more money than its costing. think of the anti spam software industry. the ppl the isps hire to take care of spam on their networks, ect. its a million dollar industry itself.

                                                        LOL that's like saying terrorist create thousands of jobs cause billions of dollars are spent to fighting terrorism.
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                                                        • VeriSexy
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by d00t
                                                          tell me... how does a spammer cost me money? dont give me some BS about the 0.85/seconds it takes to delete 1 email 10 times a day. I spend more time jerking off than I do deleting spam emails. Hell I even spent more time replying to this post than I do deleting 500,000+ spams/day...

                                                          I'd like to see the paper boy that that delivers the paper every week thrown in jail for 9 years too. And the telemarkers that call while we're at it.
                                                          If he was just clearly ripping people off, then maybe, but straight up spam does not justify 9 years behind bars.

                                                          Remember... 1 internet year = 3 years in real world. that's 27 years behind bars!
                                                          Because of all the spam I get, it takes a few minutes to download it all and a few minutes to filter through the spam that gets pass the filters. Spammers work very hard on getting pass the filters.

                                                          You might sit home and jerk off all day but some businesses hire tens of thousands of people and those minutes add up pretty damn quick. Then they also have to have higher experts and install software to filter most of the spam but there's always some that leakers through.
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                                                          • RawAlex
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                                                            #30
                                                            Verisexy: The problem is that most people around here just don't understand the scale of the problem. Millions of dollars spent each year by companies to maintain mail servers, delete spam, trap out viruses, and so on is all "so much nothing" to these people. Their answer always is "just delete it, it only takes a second". They don't understand for a second that each of those seconds adds up to a ton of time. The expense of having larger net connections than you need, bigger mail servers (50-75% bigger than needed normally), and people spending time to create new rules to trap out spam is all lost money. The huge amount of employee time wasted on this stuff is beyond all imagination.

                                                            d00t, it all comes down to costs to the sender and costs to the receiver. Buy an ad in the newspaper, and the receiver gets it for free (included with the news he wanted). Telemarketters pay employees, phone lines, and all that stuff, plus they are heavily regulated on times, do not call lists, etc, and to the receiver, the only cost is the time - the phone line was a given. Send it by mail, the receiver gets it for free... but the sender is paying by the piece. Circulars, weekly papers, etc... they all cost the sender, not the receiver, except for the time to handle them. In all of these cases, the costs to DELIVER the message are significant to the sender. (direct mail USPS rates run about 20-30 cents per piece, I am sure that there is a good price break for big numbers... but a million pieces a day will still run you $100k a day... plus printing and stuff)

                                                            Email spam is the reverse. spammers get a server, a line, cue up their stuff and spew email out like incontenent monkeys. The cost per piece is negligible (send a few million a day, for a month, from a server costing maybe 1k... the costs are insanely low). The receiver had to spend money for internet connection, computer, etc, plus has to manually and personally handle each piece of mail. The cost to the reciever is HIGHER than that of the sender - and that is where the problem really is.

                                                            Fax spam has basically been outlawed in the US because of the costs the receiver has to incur to recieve the message.

                                                            At even 30 million messages a month, this guy would generate HUGE losses and costs all around. At the numbers he was talking... well, the expenses are insane.

                                                            Spammers must learn that their actions are no longer welcome.

                                                            Alex

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                                                            • ytcracker
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                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • cyber_ninja
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                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 2197

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Blaze
                                                                What a joke. You would get less jail time for robbing a bank.
                                                                my friends dad robed a bank back in 93,hes still in prison but gets out in november

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                                                                • chodadog
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                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                  • 9736

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I think spammers that send out scams should be sent to prison; like this guy. He was scamming people out of their money. I don't think someone spamming regular legit products (except for porn) should be sent to prison.

                                                                  But eventually, this law is going to lead to a normal spammer ending up in jail for 8 or 9 years while rapists and paedophiles are out in 1, 2... 5 years tops. Great justice system.
                                                                  26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                  • d00t
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                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 3766

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                    Verisexy: The problem is that most people around here just don't understand the scale of the problem. Millions of dollars spent each year by companies to maintain mail servers, delete spam, trap out viruses, and so on is all "so much nothing" to these people. Their answer always is "just delete it, it only takes a second". They don't understand for a second that each of those seconds adds up to a ton of time. The expense of having larger net connections than you need, bigger mail servers (50-75% bigger than needed normally), and people spending time to create new rules to trap out spam is all lost money. The huge amount of employee time wasted on this stuff is beyond all imagination.

                                                                    d00t, it all comes down to costs to the sender and costs to the receiver. Buy an ad in the newspaper, and the receiver gets it for free (included with the news he wanted). Telemarketters pay employees, phone lines, and all that stuff, plus they are heavily regulated on times, do not call lists, etc, and to the receiver, the only cost is the time - the phone line was a given. Send it by mail, the receiver gets it for free... but the sender is paying by the piece. Circulars, weekly papers, etc... they all cost the sender, not the receiver, except for the time to handle them. In all of these cases, the costs to DELIVER the message are significant to the sender. (direct mail USPS rates run about 20-30 cents per piece, I am sure that there is a good price break for big numbers... but a million pieces a day will still run you $100k a day... plus printing and stuff)

                                                                    Email spam is the reverse. spammers get a server, a line, cue up their stuff and spew email out like incontenent monkeys. The cost per piece is negligible (send a few million a day, for a month, from a server costing maybe 1k... the costs are insanely low). The receiver had to spend money for internet connection, computer, etc, plus has to manually and personally handle each piece of mail. The cost to the reciever is HIGHER than that of the sender - and that is where the problem really is.

                                                                    Fax spam has basically been outlawed in the US because of the costs the receiver has to incur to recieve the message.

                                                                    At even 30 million messages a month, this guy would generate HUGE losses and costs all around. At the numbers he was talking... well, the expenses are insane.

                                                                    Spammers must learn that their actions are no longer welcome.

                                                                    Alex

                                                                    I think you are right, for all the wrong reasons.

                                                                    My sympathy goes out to a lot of spammers being busted - new laws with no real benchmarks means unrealistic outcomes in court.

                                                                    Now keep in mind ... spam is LEGAL. So it's not the sending of emails which was illegal, it was more likely the sending of emails without proper infomation attached that he's going down for.

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                                                                    • pornoshare
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                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                      • 237

                                                                      #35
                                                                      This guy was a blatent scammer. The 9 years is for being just that, a scammer. All of the press releases fail to mention this important fact.

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                                                                      • Alex Xe

                                                                        #36
                                                                        9 years it is a lot...

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                                                                        • sean416
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                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 3633

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by VeriSexy
                                                                          Prosecutors said Jaynes used the Internet to peddle bogus products and services such as a "FedEx refund processor."

                                                                          That sentence alone justified the 9 years. He wasn't pushing porn, he wasn't pushing shitty viagara, he was blatantly scamming people and ripping them off.

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                                                                          • xiando
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                                                                            • Jan 2005
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            spamming is bad, but fraud is worse

                                                                            both the dude and the sister deserve even worse.
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                                                                            • jimmyf
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                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 12651

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                              Verisexy: The problem is that most people around here just don't understand the scale of the problem. Millions of dollars spent each year by companies to maintain mail servers, delete spam, trap out viruses, and so on is all "so much nothing" to these people. Their answer always is "just delete it, it only takes a second". They don't understand for a second that each of those seconds adds up to a ton of time. The expense of having larger net connections than you need, bigger mail servers (50-75% bigger than needed normally), and people spending time to create new rules to trap out spam is all lost money. The huge amount of employee time wasted on this stuff is beyond all imagination.

                                                                              d00t, it all comes down to costs to the sender and costs to the receiver. Buy an ad in the newspaper, and the receiver gets it for free (included with the news he wanted). Telemarketters pay employees, phone lines, and all that stuff, plus they are heavily regulated on times, do not call lists, etc, and to the receiver, the only cost is the time - the phone line was a given. Send it by mail, the receiver gets it for free... but the sender is paying by the piece. Circulars, weekly papers, etc... they all cost the sender, not the receiver, except for the time to handle them. In all of these cases, the costs to DELIVER the message are significant to the sender. (direct mail USPS rates run about 20-30 cents per piece, I am sure that there is a good price break for big numbers... but a million pieces a day will still run you $100k a day... plus printing and stuff)

                                                                              Email spam is the reverse. spammers get a server, a line, cue up their stuff and spew email out like incontenent monkeys. The cost per piece is negligible (send a few million a day, for a month, from a server costing maybe 1k... the costs are insanely low). The receiver had to spend money for internet connection, computer, etc, plus has to manually and personally handle each piece of mail. The cost to the reciever is HIGHER than that of the sender - and that is where the problem really is.

                                                                              Fax spam has basically been outlawed in the US because of the costs the receiver has to incur to recieve the message.

                                                                              At even 30 million messages a month, this guy would generate HUGE losses and costs all around. At the numbers he was talking... well, the expenses are insane.

                                                                              Spammers must learn that their actions are no longer welcome.

                                                                              Alex
                                                                              good answer, I don't have 2 answer d00t now
                                                                              I know I've read it cost in the Billion's per year and way over 50% of all email is spam
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                                                                              • RawAlex
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                                                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                d00t: actually, spam is illegal, unless you are canspam compliant, and almost nobody is - because they cannot handle the heat. When was the last time you got a spam with real headers, real return address, and valid information on the domain? I would bet that 75-90% of the spam you get terminates (destination domain) in china, korea, or other "spam friendly" countries. If spamming is legit, why the heck are these guys hiding?

                                                                                They are hiding because if they tried to go legit, they would make no money and they wouldn't have a server 4 minutes after they started mailing.

                                                                                I would love to see the current crop of spammers try to run legit. My mailbox would be empty!

                                                                                Alex

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                                                                                • Screaming
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                                                                                  • Feb 2004
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  wow cause the courts have nothing else to do but send spammers to prison for nine years

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                                                                                  • d00t
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                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 3766

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                    d00t: actually, spam is illegal, unless you are canspam compliant, and almost nobody is - because they cannot handle the heat. When was the last time you got a spam with real headers, real return address, and valid information on the domain? I would bet that 75-90% of the spam you get terminates (destination domain) in china, korea, or other "spam friendly" countries. If spamming is legit, why the heck are these guys hiding?

                                                                                    They are hiding because if they tried to go legit, they would make no money and they wouldn't have a server 4 minutes after they started mailing.

                                                                                    I would love to see the current crop of spammers try to run legit. My mailbox would be empty!

                                                                                    Alex
                                                                                    Exactly, so SPAM *IS* legal.
                                                                                    You are right, if you were to start mass mailing with can-spam requirements, you'd get blocked, however there are a lot of ISPS not blocking legit, legal, can-spam emails. LARS is one example of an adult business doing it legally - his emails are totally compliant and he's making bank from it.

                                                                                    I didnt come in this to argue, but to hopefully broaden your mind when it comes to emails, spammers, and how the media has blown it totally out of proportion

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                                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                      • 18208

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by cyber_ninja
                                                                                      my friends dad robed a bank back in 93,hes still in prison but gets out in november

                                                                                      So only 3 more years for doing something that most likely involved a GUN with REAL bullets that my have KILLED someone.

                                                                                      I hate spammers but I also know that we have overcrowding in prisons so some drug dealer, child molester, rapist or murderer will get out early so the spammer can have a bunk to sleep in.

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                                                                                      • RawAlex
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 9465

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        d00t: The thing is, to be totaly canspam legal, you have to have previous permission to contact the end user. Pretty much all the spam you are getting isn't compliant because it is just bought lists or scooped off websites, sucked off from malware / spyware setups, and such. Lars is using opt in confirmed mailers, and those are legal - and he sends with good headers, return address, cancel page, etc. I would say that 99% of the spam I see isn't compliant in the least. If that 99% went away, I wouldn't have an issue.

                                                                                        The ones that make me laugh? the ones that send SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: in the subject, but intentionally misspell it or replace the I with 1 or |. Dumbfucks.

                                                                                        Alex

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                                                                                        • d00t
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                                                                                          • 3766

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                          d00t: The thing is, to be totaly canspam legal, you have to have previous permission to contact the end user. Pretty much all the spam you are getting isn't compliant because it is just bought lists or scooped off websites, sucked off from malware / spyware setups, and such. Lars is using opt in confirmed mailers, and those are legal - and he sends with good headers, return address, cancel page, etc. I would say that 99% of the spam I see isn't compliant in the least. If that 99% went away, I wouldn't have an issue.

                                                                                          The ones that make me laugh? the ones that send SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT: in the subject, but intentionally misspell it or replace the I with 1 or |. Dumbfucks.

                                                                                          Alex
                                                                                          my point was that spam is totally legal, nothing more

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                                                                                          • Myst
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                                                                                            • Feb 2004
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            you people are fucking idiots
                                                                                            its amazing how the media can jumble the story and you all mindlessly believe it
                                                                                            the man didnt get 9 years for spamming, it was for SCAMMING - selling bogus products and services totalling $750k a month if i recall correctly

                                                                                            carry on
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                                                                                            • d00t
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                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                              • 3766

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              this thread really got me thinking... you know they probably *never* stole anything.. or frauding cards.. every person pulls out their card and spends money WILLINGLY... (think paysite)

                                                                                              and before anybody can say 'oh the product was a scam' .. you should put the tv on after 10pm at night and see all the ads for 'govt grants.. and crap make money at home schemes.. they are all the same.

                                                                                              so.. how can I make sure the paper boy goes to jail for 9 years?
                                                                                              Last edited by d00t; 04-10-2005, 01:23 PM.

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                                                                                              • RawAlex
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                d00t, spam isn't legal - opt in mailers are legal.

                                                                                                different game.

                                                                                                Alex

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Let's all wait how the appellate courts deal with the statute he was convicted under.

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                                                                                                  • skillfull
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    the world isnt just the USA
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