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  • Oracle Porn
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    • Oct 2002
    • 24433

    #1

    Did ANYONE, ANYONE EVER saw Pornstar2pac posting anything useful?

    Anyone?
    Anythin useful?
    ever?
    no?


  • brand0n
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    • Nov 2002
    • 26983

    #2
    no.
    he doesnt own a website
    he dosent send any company any traffic
    hes here to increase his post count and convince companys to buy his sig for a couple 100 bucks every month
    thats it.
    want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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    • DomBuyer
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      • Sep 2002
      • 2595

      #3
      No. To say he's a juvenile on a board filled with juveniles is not a compliment.

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      • DarkJedi
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        • Feb 2001
        • 28301

        #4
        Did anyone ever saw you posting anything usefull ?

        No.

        So STFU.

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        • Rui
          web
          • Dec 2001
          • 9533

          #5
          Originally posted by DarkJedi
          Did anyone ever saw you posting anything usefull ?

          No.

          So STFU.

          BOOOOINNnnGGG

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          • Oracle Porn
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            • Oct 2002
            • 24433

            #6
            Originally posted by DarkJedi
            Did anyone ever saw you posting anything usefull ?

            No.

            So STFU.
            Correct, I never posted anything usefuLL


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            • Nicky
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              • Mar 2003
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              #7
              not sure

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              • Nicky
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Mar 2003
                • 30071

                #8
                Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                Correct, I never posted anything usefuLL
                true dat

                gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                • DarkJedi
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                  • Feb 2001
                  • 28301

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                  Correct, I never posted anything usefuLL
                  you have a typo right there in your original post, bitch

                  so spare me your grammar police crap.

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                  • pornstar2pac
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 17380

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DomBuyer
                    No. To say he's a juvenile on a board filled with juveniles is not a compliment.


                    I'll be back in Antigua soon, so you should be nice. i'm going back to live there. and we both know what a small place it is
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                    • pornstar2pac
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                      • Nov 2003
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                      #11
                      I post at another board where I ask questions and offer any advice i can. At GFY it's a different story.



                      when I decide to start sharing my secretes to make the little money that I do, i'll let you know
                      Last edited by pornstar2pac; 04-07-2005, 06:02 AM.
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                      • brand0n
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                        I post at another board where I ask questions and offer any advice i can. At GFY it's a different story.



                        when I decide to start sharing my secretes to make the little money that I do, i'll let you know
                        please go choke yourself now

                        and dont threaten anyone, you know you dont have a set of balls.
                        want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                        • pornstar2pac
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                          • Nov 2003
                          • 17380

                          #13
                          Originally posted by brand0n
                          no.
                          he doesnt own a website
                          he dosent send any company any traffic
                          hes here to increase his post count and convince companys to buy his sig for a couple 100 bucks every month
                          thats it.

                          it's so easy to live on $100 a month in california

                          you don't know shit homie.
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                          • pornstar2pac
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                            • Nov 2003
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by brand0n
                            please go choke yourself now

                            and dont threaten anyone, you know you dont have a set of balls.


                            who did I threaten?


                            ok, i'm going to go choke myself.















                            now willl you please get a life and move on Mr.weed.com
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                            • brand0n
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                              #15
                              there is a mexican slum everywhere in the usa

                              and cali is full of them. dont act like you live anywhere near money. dont act like you have money. we both know you dont have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of.
                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                              • brilsmurf
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                                #16
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                                • brand0n
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                  who did I threaten?


                                  ok, i'm going to go choke myself.















                                  now willl you please get a life and move on Mr.weed.com
                                  "I'll be back in Antigua soon, so you should be nice. i'm going back to live there. and we both know what a small place it is"
                                  seems like a threat to me
                                  and no im not going anywhere mr ..... wait you dont own a website.. dot org
                                  want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                  • pornstar2pac
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                                    • Nov 2003
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by brand0n
                                    there is a mexican slum everywhere in the usa

                                    and cali is full of them. dont act like you live anywhere near money. dont act like you have money. we both know you dont have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of.


                                    ok, thanks mr. century21 man.


                                    off topic: are you allowed to leave the state of South Carolina? people with 3 felonies don't get that chance in most states
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                                    • pornstar2pac
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by brand0n
                                      "I'll be back in Antigua soon, so you should be nice. i'm going back to live there. and we both know what a small place it is"
                                      seems like a threat to me
                                      and no im not going anywhere mr ..... wait you dont own a website.. dot org



                                      newsflash idiot. it's not a threat.


                                      anyone who's been to Antigua would know that you can't really go ANYWHERE without bumping into someone you know.



                                      70,000 people on a small patch of land in the Caribbean
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                                      • brand0n
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                        ok, thanks mr. century21 man.


                                        off topic: are you allowed to leave the state of South Carolina? people with 3 felonies don't get that chance in most states
                                        i have a fucking passport. can you say the same?

                                        i can go anywhere in the fucking world i want, and my ass is covered as i am a us citizen. as a matter a fact, this means i can travel to your 3rd world mother land, take a big fat USA shit right on your fucked up flag and travel untouched back to the best country in the world.

                                        i dont have to scale fences, swim through ditchs, or tunnel. with my 3 felonys i walk right to customs, smile and hand her my passport. now dont you wish you could say that? or any of your family thats here now could?

                                        btw you know this board is for people who own websites right? ontopic. do you own a website?
                                        want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                        • pornstar2pac
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                                          • Nov 2003
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by brand0n
                                          i have a fucking passport. can you say the same?

                                          i can go anywhere in the fucking world i want, and my ass is covered as i am a us citizen. as a matter a fact, this means i can travel to your 3rd world mother land, take a big fat USA shit right on your fucked up flag and travel untouched back to the best country in the world.

                                          i dont have to scale fences, swim through ditchs, or tunnel. with my 3 felonys i walk right to customs, smile and hand her my passport. now dont you wish you could say that? or any of your family thats here now could?

                                          btw you know this board is for people who own websites right? ontopic. do you own a website?




                                          Brand0n, I've had a passport for 6 years now. I had to when I traveled the Caribbean for 2 years. have you ever been to the Caribbean? i doubt you have or ever will. and if you do, it's for a week tops.
                                          Last edited by pornstar2pac; 04-07-2005, 06:25 AM.
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                                          • Juicy D. Links
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                                            • Apr 2001
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                                            #22
                                            i stopped posting usefull stuff in late 2001

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                                            • pornstar2pac
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                                              • Nov 2003
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by brand0n
                                              i have a fucking passport. can you say the same?

                                              i can go anywhere in the fucking world i want, and my ass is covered as i am a us citizen. as a matter a fact, this means i can travel to your 3rd world mother land, take a big fat USA shit right on your fucked up flag and travel untouched back to the best country in the world.

                                              i dont have to scale fences, swim through ditchs, or tunnel. with my 3 felonys i walk right to customs, smile and hand her my passport. now dont you wish you could say that? or any of your family thats here now could?

                                              btw you know this board is for people who own websites right? ontopic. do you own a website?



                                              newsflash again idiot. I was born in California. I'm a US citizen 100% like you. except I'm the one with 3 felonies less than you
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                                              • hydro
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                                                • Dec 2003
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                                                #24
                                                let us all drop the hate and smokith from my piece pipe

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                                                • pornstar2pac
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                  i stopped posting usefull stuff in late 2001

                                                  Yes! I learned from the best of the best


                                                  thanks juicy
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                                                  • brand0n
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                    Brand0n, I've had a passport for 6 years now. I had to when I traveled the Caribbean for 2 years. have you ever been to the Caribbean? i doubt you have or ever will. and if you do, it's for a week tops.
                                                    roflmao

                                                    im in the caribbean every 3 months or so. i have an office there, an LLC and an INC


                                                    you would know this if you knew how to do a whois on websites, ofcourse this has to do with the webmaster stuff again.. u know the shit that you dont have a part of

                                                    so again. i ask you. do you own a website?
                                                    want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                    • pornstar2pac
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                                                      • Nov 2003
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by brand0n
                                                      roflmao

                                                      im in the caribbean every 3 months or so. i have an office there, an LLC and an INC


                                                      you would know this if you knew how to do a whois on websites, ofcourse this has to do with the webmaster stuff again.. u know the shit that you dont have a part of

                                                      so again. i ask you. do you own a website?
                                                      yes, i have a few websites.


                                                      happy now?
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                                                      • DamageX
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                                                        • Jun 2001
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                        i stopped posting usefull stuff in late 2001
                                                        Yes, we're aware of that. However, for one psychic enough there's a lot of useful info between the lines of your posts.
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                                                        • brand0n
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                          yes, i have a few websites.


                                                          happy now?
                                                          no. i do not belive you.

                                                          show me your "blogs" that you call adult sites again. show me anything that proves you to be and adult webmaster and ill leave you alone, never posting in a thread about you, never saying shit to you ever again.

                                                          just show me where you are a true adult webmaster and i swear ill stick to that deal. ill add you to ignore and never say a fucking thing about you to anyone ever again.

                                                          so. lets have it.
                                                          want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                          • brand0n
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by brand0n
                                                            no. i do not belive you.

                                                            show me your "blogs" that you call adult sites again. show me anything that proves you to be and adult webmaster and ill leave you alone, never posting in a thread about you, never saying shit to you ever again.

                                                            just show me where you are a true adult webmaster and i swear ill stick to that deal. ill add you to ignore and never say a fucking thing about you to anyone ever again.

                                                            so. lets have it.
                                                            bump
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                                                            want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                            • pornstar2pac
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                                                              • Nov 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by brand0n
                                                              no. i do not belive you.

                                                              show me your "blogs" that you call adult sites again. show me anything that proves you to be and adult webmaster and ill leave you alone, never posting in a thread about you, never saying shit to you ever again.

                                                              just show me where you are a true adult webmaster and i swear ill stick to that deal. ill add you to ignore and never say a fucking thing about you to anyone ever again.

                                                              so. lets have it.

                                                              well ok then.


                                                              1) I am 50% owner of two TGP's . those names I will not give out. I promised my biz partner i wouldn't


                                                              2) www.adultpokertour.com deals with adult webmasters. At this time I have no money to promote it, so i have it on the side.

                                                              3) I also make money on gambling affiliates.

                                                              4) I do have 25-30 blogs out there right now. non adult and I am making a couple hundred a month from them and it's just going to get bigger.






                                                              so if the above helped at all, cheers.


                                                              summary.

                                                              I have adult pokertour.com and 2-tgp's pllus all the free sites and links i have out there.


                                                              I make small money in 4 different industry. it means i get by every m month but i still can't live like a king. I'm just trying to find a product or service that isn't discovered yet and make bank off it.


                                                              if I fail 1,000, that would mean that I got right back up 1,001 times






                                                              I'm not going to bash you anymore Brand0n. I am drained from you. I make about $1,000 a month in adult. that's about 50% of my income.
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                                                              • brand0n
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                well ok then.


                                                                1) I am 50% owner of two TGP's . those names I will not give out. I promised my biz partner i wouldn't


                                                                2) www.adultpokertour.com deals with adult webmasters. At this time I have no money to promote it, so i have it on the side.

                                                                3) I also make money on gambling affiliates.

                                                                4) I do have 25-30 blogs out there right now. non adult and I am making a couple hundred a month from them and it's just going to get bigger.






                                                                so if the above helped at all, cheers.


                                                                summary.

                                                                I have adult pokertour.com and 2-tgp's pllus all the free sites and links i have out there.


                                                                I make small money in 4 different industry. it means i get by every m month but i still can't live like a king. I'm just trying to find a product or service that isn't discovered yet and make bank off it.


                                                                if I fail 1,000, that would mean that I got right back up 1,001 times






                                                                I'm not going to bash you anymore Brand0n. I am drained from you. I make about $1,000 a month in adult. that's about 50% of my income.
                                                                so, in closing. you do not own any adult sites.
                                                                want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                • StuartD
                                                                  Sofa King Band
                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                  • 29903

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                  roflmao

                                                                  im in the caribbean every 3 months or so. i have an office there, an LLC and an INC


                                                                  you would know this if you knew how to do a whois on websites, ofcourse this has to do with the webmaster stuff again.. u know the shit that you dont have a part of

                                                                  so again. i ask you. do you own a website?
                                                                  Save yourself the trouble.. he pulled the same responses with me. "You can't even afford to go to the Carribean" all the while the cost of living where he is is about half of what mine is. Was a weak arguement. But he stuck with it.

                                                                  It's really pretty useless to have conversations that go like this:
                                                                  "What is it you do?"
                                                                  "I do stuff."
                                                                  "So nothing involved in our industry then?"
                                                                  "I live in the Carribbean! You've never even been there. Ha!"
                                                                  "Do you have any websites at least?"
                                                                  "I live here, you'll never have enough money to even take a vacation here. So there!"

                                                                  How do you have a conversation with someone like that?
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                                                                  • fris
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                                                                    #34
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                                                                    • BVF
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                      well ok then.


                                                                      1) I am 50% owner of two TGP's . those names I will not give out. I promised my biz partner i wouldn't


                                                                      2) www.adultpokertour.com deals with adult webmasters. At this time I have no money to promote it, so i have it on the side.
                                                                      LOL...it amazes me when people act like they're too James Bondish to give out some shitty TGP url's.

                                                                      So in essence you own 50% of Diddly Squat when it comes to the adult web industry...Am I correct?

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                                                                      • GirlNinja
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD
                                                                        "You can't even afford to go to the Carribean" all the while the cost of living where he is is about half of what mine is.
                                                                        Wow is it really a lot cheaper to live there?

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                                                                        • evanmorgan
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                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                          • 2490

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                          roflmao

                                                                          im in the caribbean every 3 months or so. i have an office there, an LLC and an INC


                                                                          you would know this if you knew how to do a whois on websites, ofcourse this has to do with the webmaster stuff again.. u know the shit that you dont have a part of

                                                                          so again. i ask you. do you own a website?
                                                                          why would he want to whois your sites anyway, maybe he doesnt give a shit about your sites....
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                                                                          • Oracle Porn
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                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by evanmorgan
                                                                            why would he want to whois your sites anyway, maybe he doesnt give a shit about your sites....
                                                                            he cares enough to talk shit about him....
                                                                            gotta know your shit to talk it don't ya?


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                                                                            • pornstar2pac
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                                                                              • Nov 2003
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by BVF
                                                                              LOL...it amazes me when people act like they're too James Bondish to give out some shitty TGP url's.

                                                                              So in essence you own 50% of Diddly Squat when it comes to the adult web industry...Am I correct?







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                                                                              • pornstar2pac
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by evanmorgan
                                                                                why would he want to whois your sites anyway, maybe he doesnt give a shit about your sites....


                                                                                that's what i was going to say, but you beat me to the punch
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                                                                                • brand0n
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by evanmorgan
                                                                                  why would he want to whois your sites anyway, maybe he doesnt give a shit about your sites....
                                                                                  does mommy give a shit about lil baby evan? awww i hopski sooo
                                                                                  want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                  • Juicy D. Links
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                                                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                                                    #42
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                                                                                    • wjxxx
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                                                                                      #43

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                                                                                      • DomBuyer
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                                        I'm just getting by.
                                                                                        I'm not just getting by.

                                                                                        So is that why you feel the need to post in every thread I start reminding me that you know where Antigua is on the map?

                                                                                        I'm not sure I want to be known on this of all boards as a guy who trolls breakfast, lunch and dinner.

                                                                                        Mix it up.

                                                                                        As for bumping into me in Antigua, I suspect you and I run in very different crowds.

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                                                                                        • wdsguy
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          No all he does is kiss lensman's ass all day.

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                                                                                          • pornstar2pac
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by DomBuyer
                                                                                            I'm not just getting by.

                                                                                            So is that why you feel the need to post in every thread I start reminding me that you know where Antigua is on the map?

                                                                                            I'm not sure I want to be known on this of all boards as a guy who trolls breakfast, lunch and dinner.

                                                                                            Mix it up.

                                                                                            As for bumping into me in Antigua, I suspect you and I run in very different crowds.


                                                                                            it's cool. I'll be at jolly Harbour the whole time I'm there. and I go to Bruce's on the weekend
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                                                                                            • brand0n
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                                              it's cool. I'll be at jolly Harbour the whole time I'm there. and I go to Bruce's on the weekend
                                                                                              right, but hes going to eat there, you are going to mop

                                                                                              see, you arent really going to see eatch other and if you do then the owner needs a lesson on how to run a resteruant
                                                                                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                              • brand0n
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                bump for the day crew
                                                                                                want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                                • Dalai lama
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                                                                                                    • May 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    i saw him twice posting something useful

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