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  • Paraskass
    Confirmed User
    • May 2002
    • 5829
    #1

    I'm sick of all the fucking shaving in this business.

    Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

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    • imaginax
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2002
      • 463
      #2
      Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.
      imaginax - Design is Art
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        • buddyjuf
          #3
          Originally posted by imaginax
          Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.
          cute

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            • directfiesta
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Oct 2002
              • 30202
              #4
              LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

              Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.
              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                • imaginax
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 463
                  #5
                  Originally posted by bdjuf
                  cute
                  Thanks for acknowloging my cuteness.
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                    • LionDollars
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 407
                      #6
                      Give us a try.. we maintain constant conversion ratios across all our sites... and our new adult dating sites are converting about 1/150 on good traffic.
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                        • Paraskass
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2002
                          • 5829
                          #7
                          Originally posted by imaginax
                          Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.
                          when you get an ebony site, hit me up.

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                            • Veterans Day
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 8403
                              #8
                              Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.
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                                • Paraskass
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 5829
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by directfiesta
                                  LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

                                  Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.
                                  still, they ride around in 150,000$ cars and have houses the size of mansions.

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                                    • imaginax
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2002
                                      • 463
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Paraskass
                                      when you get an ebony site, hit me up.
                                      You got it
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                                        • nofx
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Nov 2002
                                          • 16826
                                          #11
                                          get used to it

                                          they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz

                                          Often times I wonder why
                                          There's love and hate, theres live or die.
                                          When sickness comes I must decide:
                                          When feelings go, theres suicide.

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                                            • who
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2003
                                              • 19593
                                              #12
                                              I know a program which doesn't shave, has big payouts, but is run by the worst fucking assholes on the planet. I prefer the shaving by nice dudes.

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                                                • BlueQuartz
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2004
                                                  • 1971
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                  LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

                                                  Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.
                                                  wtf are you talking about

                                                  we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

                                                  Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic

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                                                    • Furious_Male
                                                      Doing the grind since 99
                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                      • 16884
                                                      #14
                                                      Perhaps just a bad day? The scrub may be on overdrive as well. When my attempt to join drops 50% in one day I know who to thank.
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                                                        • SomeCreep
                                                          :glugglug
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 26118
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Paraskass
                                                          when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.
                                                          Lots of things can justify ratios going from 1:150 to 1:1500 that are not the sponsor shaving.

                                                          I would name some examples, but I dont feel like it.

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                                                            • TDF
                                                              Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                              • 27296
                                                              #16
                                                              post proof or STFU
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                                                                • decrypted
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                  • 370
                                                                  #17
                                                                  We dont shave.

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                                                                    • skinnay
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                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                      • 2274
                                                                      #18
                                                                      i shave my balls
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                                                                        • venus
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 3112
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
                                                                          when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.

                                                                          Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                          LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....
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                                                                            • Alex
                                                                              So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 10963
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by LionDollars
                                                                              Give us a try.. we maintain constant conversion ratios across all our sites... and our new adult dating sites are converting about 1/150 on good traffic.
                                                                              Dude look at your ref code.

                                                                              Its fucking 564f6sd4dsf56a43w446434563244562344.

                                                                              How hard is it to change that. Its not like anyone would remember.
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                                                                                • Rui
                                                                                  web
                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                  • 9533
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                  Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.
                                                                                  So fucking true...I mean people want all for nothng nowadays

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                                                                                    • XxXotic
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                      • 8500
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                      Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.
                                                                                      that still doesn't justify it. shaving is theft. period. I give a fuck about your overhead.

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                                                                                        • TheSenator
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                          • 13330
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Are they using NATS?
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                                                                                            • eddie-executive
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                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                              • 2061
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by toodamnfli
                                                                                              post proof or STFU

                                                                                              Exactly if you know they are shaving why not post proof? If you don't have proof then how do you know they are shaving?
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                                                                                                • Kard63
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                  • 8944
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Some of you took the stane "$50 per trial. what do you expect" while others took the stance "50% revshare, what do you think".

                                                                                                  Clearly the pople that think 50% revshare is hard to payout are RETARDED. What are they thinking? Easiest way to spot retards ever.


                                                                                                  BTW - I expect to get what I am told. Nothing more, nothing less.

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                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      In 8 years, I haven't seen many webmasters that could hold a 1:150 ratio for over a year. It has been done yeah, but not often. The only people I see doing that these days are SE traffic based sites or people really working good fresh traffic sources.

                                                                                                      It's pretty simple. Your traffic gets tired of seeing the site and/or same tours of the same site. While some sites do seem to stand strong for long periods of time, most don't, unless they are showing fresh updates, tours, something unique.

                                                                                                      Same reason webmasters request fresh galleries.
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                                                                                                        • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                          Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                          • 19969
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by venus
                                                                                                          Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
                                                                                                          when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.
                                                                                                          that's totally untrue
                                                                                                          someone who's been in the business as long as you have should know better
                                                                                                          it is definitely possible to pay out 50 and 60% and still be profitable
                                                                                                          there are upsells, exit consoles, cross sales, after sales, inhouse traffic and other ways of generating revenue besides affiliate traffic...
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                                                                                                            • SetTheWorldonFire
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                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                              • 7444
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by toodamnfli
                                                                                                              post proof or STFU
                                                                                                              Amen brotha
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                                                                                                                • nico-t
                                                                                                                  emperor of my world
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                  • 29901
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by XxXotic
                                                                                                                  that still doesn't justify it. shaving is theft. period. I give a fuck about your overhead.

                                                                                                                  idiot
                                                                                                                  exactly, u beat me to it to say that.

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                                                                                                                    • Pete-KT
                                                                                                                      Workin With The Devil
                                                                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                      • 51532
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I shave my balls ;) sorry had to

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                                                                                                                        • zentz
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                          • 8062
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          shaving is popular these days...
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                                                                                                                            • Alex
                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                              • 10963
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TheSenator
                                                                                                                              Are they using NATS?
                                                                                                                              Like that makes a difference?
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                                                                                                                                • shermo
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                  that's totally untrue
                                                                                                                                  someone who's been in the business as long as you have should know better
                                                                                                                                  it is definitely possible to pay out 50 and 60% and still be profitable
                                                                                                                                  there are upsells, exit consoles, cross sales, after sales, inhouse traffic and other ways of generating revenue besides affiliate traffic...
                                                                                                                                  You took the words right out of my mouth. I know that there are many companies that do not shave, and it's a rare thing to find a company that does. Sometimes rations just drop after a long period of time. There's saturation, competition and traffic sources to take into consideration.

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                                                                                                                                    • Sly
                                                                                                                                      Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 31379
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by venus
                                                                                                                                      Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
                                                                                                                                      when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.
                                                                                                                                      Apparently you don't do the math either.

                                                                                                                                      It's called volume.
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                                                                                                                                        • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 30202
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BlueQuartz
                                                                                                                                          wtf are you talking about

                                                                                                                                          we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

                                                                                                                                          Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic
                                                                                                                                          Get a course in comprehension .. then you can post again ...
                                                                                                                                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                            • pstation
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 1135
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              do mainstream, the bs there is even greater...

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                                                                                                                                                • Worldnet
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 996
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paraskass
                                                                                                                                                  Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

                                                                                                                                                  I know exactly what program your talking about. Same stats here. I just deleted every link to them. They also played a little game claiming there checks had been lost in the mail last month.

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                                                                                                                                                    • The Sultan Of Smut
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 4325
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                                      Lots of things can justify ratios going from 1:150 to 1:1500 that are not the sponsor shaving.

                                                                                                                                                      I would name some examples, but I dont feel like it.
                                                                                                                                                      Nothing can justify going from 1:150 to 1:5000 if there has been no change in traffic.

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                                                                                                                                                        • reynold
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 51271
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Drama alert anyone?

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                                                                                                                                                            • Scootermuze
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 4513
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere..

                                                                                                                                                              All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all...

                                                                                                                                                              Chance and move on..

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                                                                                                                                                                • Alex
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 10963
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Scootermuze
                                                                                                                                                                  As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere..

                                                                                                                                                                  All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all...

                                                                                                                                                                  Chance and move on..


                                                                                                                                                                  Thats 2 for 2 today.

                                                                                                                                                                  You have got to be either on drugs or clueless.

                                                                                                                                                                  Ratios are what you are converting at now. They do not mean that you will continue converting at the same for everwhere and if not then the sponsor is shaving.

                                                                                                                                                                  Have you ever thought that your traffic might be shit that day or that they just dont want to join.

                                                                                                                                                                  Dont assume that just by sendign to a paysite you will see a steady ratiol.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sly
                                                                                                                                                                      Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 31379
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by The Sultan Of Smut
                                                                                                                                                                      Nothing can justify going from 1:150 to 1:5000 if there has been no change in traffic.
                                                                                                                                                                      I have a sponsor that goes from 1:500 to 1:5000 on a monthly basis like clockwork. February was great, March was horrible, April will probably end up great again. And no, I'm not sending new traffic to these guys, it's all old stuff that I can't change.

                                                                                                                                                                      I send traffic to 30-40 different sponsors. This is the ONLY one that I see fluctuations like that with. I have 2 other people telling me the exact same thing. Gee... I wonder what's going on.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • hydro
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 4216
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          time to do some reverse engineering on your traffic and find out whats hurting your ratios

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                                                                                                                                                                            • BVF
                                                                                                                                                                              Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paraskass
                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

                                                                                                                                                                              That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.


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                                                                                                                                                                                • BVF
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by BVF
                                                                                                                                                                                  That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.

                                                                                                                                                                                  You know Diddly Squat about diversivication. (sp) That's why you've been flying those same $1700 stats in your sig for damn near two years because that was your BEST pay period ever conversionwise.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • will76
                                                                                                                                                                                      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 18037
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                                                                                                                      Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • DaLord
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 3318
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paraskass
                                                                                                                                                                                          still, they ride around in 150,000$ cars and have houses the size of mansions.
                                                                                                                                                                                          At one point I got really tired of all the shaving so I decided to whip up my own paysites, lease a member area and see if things would get any better. At that point I had approx 800K per day and guess what... suddenly I made a whole lot more money and my ratio was steady around 1:400.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • keyboard warrior
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 1435
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              make you own site to stop the shaves
                                                                                                                                                                                              - nothing here -

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 62910
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  World events can justify a change like that. BUt I dont think the pope kicking the bucket is a worls event like that.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • will76
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 18037
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by nofx
                                                                                                                                                                                                      get used to it

                                                                                                                                                                                                      they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You people who think all companies shave are crazy... that shit is about as dumb as believing that there are slow times of the year maybe 1 or 2 companies shave but I doubt more then that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      unsucessfull people inherenty look for excuses why they are not making money. Maybe you traffic got shitty, and if you say its the same traffic you been getting then maybe you need to freshenup your pages. If you claim you changed your pages recently then maybe the design you are using now is not coverting and thats the reason. There are several reasons why your conversion ratio may have gotten worse. If you using an affiliates banner or content maybe that same chick has been saturated and it's time for you to use a new one.. so many reasons... and *blamming* the company is not going to fix the problem. It just makes you feel better and is an excuse you can feed yourself so you can sleep at night not feeling like a failure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as the companies that do shave, if there are any... Don't you think they hit the people who send them the most signups the hardest ?? The last thing they would want to do would be to get caught so what makes more sense to take 5 signups a week away from a person who only gets 2 a day, or take 5 signups a day from someone who gets a 100 singups. Trust me, if companies shave they hit the bigger affiliates harder, who still make good money after the saving and who are less likely to notice it. It only seems logical. And if this is the case and you are a small fry bitching about shaving, then you still have no excuses not to be successfull, especially when there are people who make 10x you pushing the same program and who getting hit harder then you with shaving. If they can do it why cant you... maybe they are not making excuses... so it basically comes down to mind set if you want to be successful, if you make excuses then typically thats all you make, if you kick ass and work your butt off and stfu about bitching about shit you have no idea if it is even true or not, then you will make good money. how many people do you know that make a lot of money that are always complaining about something ?
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