LOL: Terris Father turned off life-support for his own mother

My two cents, if your whole goal of seeing this girl die is to make a statment in the right to die issue, I suggest finding a much better case to use as a battleground, such as someone that has all their faculties and a disease, and wants to die.

I am the least religious person, and I support right to die, and think this girl should be kept alive.

Like it or not, we all go. I personally am in favor of a more humane approach than the slow drag out, but I can understand the complexity and tension over assisted suicide and where that line should be drawn.

What really should be easy is permitting an individual to have the dignity to make these decisions for themselves.

And for everyone looking for the "evil husband" motive and quoting a bunch of blatant lies, it really does not help anyone nor does it help your credibility.The husband has turned down multiple offers of seven figures to just go away. The trust fund has been publicly accounted for and is totally exhausted. There is no insurance. There is no pay day.

The position on abuse causing this is a total joke. They only even raised it as an argument after they lost the first trial. This has been rejected by all of her treating physicians, the trial court, appellate courts, the GAL, the independent doctors looking at the case. But we have to vilify anyone as long as we can score political points and advance an agenda.

Every independent medical expert that has actually reviewed the records (unlike the 17 so-called experts in the affidavits who never bothered to even review her medical records, relied on 4 minutes of video snips from a five hour long tape, and amazingly NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED HER CAT SCAN) has found she is in PVS, or cerebral cortex is absolutely eliminated, and she has no hope of recovery.

Have you seen her CAT scan? Instead of a cerebral cortex there is only ventricle. Necrotic tissue extends even into other areas of the brain. Her brain stem is active ... the lights are on, but there is decidedly no one home.

Oh, the nurses. Yes, the people who never bothered to note that a patient in persistent vegetative state spoke. One who was fired because the husband complained about her lack of attention to Ms. Schiavo. The one who says she can eat ice cream and jello (um, why the feeding tube? duh). Interesting some of these people crawl out of the woodwork so late under the media spotlight and only after the first trial's result.

Even the parents and their legal counsel conceded she was in PVS throughout the first trial and on appeal. It was only after they lost that they completely shifted gears, made up a new story, and propped up good Dr. Hammesfahr.

This so-called expert for the parents claims he is Nobel nominated. Only he was nominated by his congressman. Maybe I should have my wife nominate me for the Nobel Peace Prize so I can add it to my resume. Do you not see the credibility gap??

He has been censured by the Florida DOH for lying to patients and has to have another doctor following him around and reviewing his files. When he said his treatment would work, and has worked, he could not point to a single specific case file or case study in support of his position. You would think that might be important if you are testifying in court. If you really want to believe experts of this caliber rather than actual evidence, that is a fine statement of why we need courts deciding these types of issues and actually weighing evidence rather than using mob rule in the legislature to eliminate the individual's rights to control their medical treatment.

Hmm, should the court believe the guy with the fake Nobel certification, license complaints, and with no proof supporting his opinion? Yet that is exactly what some people latch on to. Logic and reason seem to be evaporating from our country's fabric on a daily basis.

The parents in the first trial indicated they would consent to amputation of all her arms and legs, and then still do open heart surgery and keep her alive. They testified under oath that if she woke up and told them she wanted the tube removed, they would ignore her wishes and keep her alive indefinitely. Tell me that is not sick. I understand their pain and their loss. But try and tell me that this is about their daughter's wishes and desires. After they testify in that fashion, how is anyone really supposed to believe they have their daughter's wishes in mind and are accurately testifying to them???

Let this poor poor woman retain just a tiny shred of her lost dignity and pass. Splashing this poor woman's absent shell on videos to raise money for causes and push a so-called "pro-life" agenda is really pretty sick. Calling people who look at this differently as part of a "culture of death" is ridiculous. No one wants this woman to die. What people on the other side of this issue react to is the need to respect the wishes of an individual regarding their, repeat THEIR, medical care. That is really respect for life, dignity, and the ultimate responsibility of a person for their own choices.

On a final note, better draft an iron clad living will. Better ensure you have your DNR fully executed. Make sure you lock down who is your agent for treatment decisions. I have, have you?

The mother was at then end of her life and was on life support, Terri is young and is not on life support. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

No, you stupid asshat, he is comparing how we treat animals & muderers with more dignity than humans.

When our pets (dogs/cats) are in terminall pain we are allowed to put them out in with out letting them suffer through pain.

Our criminals have a choice of a painless leathel injection.

But a normal human being has to be started to death.

No need to introduce yourself in every post. I already got the idea of who you are.



Because if someone ends it, he would be considered a murderer.

Fucking idiot.. God you have no clue whats going on

True.
So but why cant you agree that since we are in a sense killing her by not feeding her, why not just end it with one heavy dose of morphine

1000's of people every day have their lives ended artificially, even in the US... Most people that die in a non-emergancy situation are made comfortable towards the end with morphine. Most will die from an overdose of that morphine.

It will not be any different in this girls case.

Good post. But do you agree that letting her "naturally" die by starving her is right. Why not just get it over with.

Killing a criminal = capital punishment.
It's a special prerogative of a state.

Terri has commited no crimes and hasnt been convicted.


Now STFU you stupid piece of shit.

Thats why you are not "leagally" concerned in this.

Do you think adding lots of syupid laughing faces after your post makes you look clever or funny?

If an autopsy showed that a person died from a morphine overdose, then the doctors would be prosecuted.

Or what? You gonna stab me with your lightsaber? oh, oh, i know, I know, do the pinchy thingy with your fingers and choke me...

BTW... way to completely miss the point...

In a criminal case, family witness usually never have much weight since they are most of time testifying for one of their family member.
No one knows what Terri Schiavo wanted, there are 5 people who claim that she said she would not have wanted to be kept alive, one of them is the husband, the other 4 are the husband's family members.
No one from her side or no one who was friend with her ever heard her say that.
Also, why did the husband wait 7 years to let the court that she wanted not to live like that?
If there was something in writting or if there was at least one witness from the Schindler side, then we would not be here discussing this.

No they wouldnt.... It has been challenged in court many times in the US and the UK

The Drs responibility is to keep the patient comfortable. If the dose required to do that is high enough to stop the patient breathing then the Dr is still entitled to prescribe that dose. The Dr just has to be convinced that it is required to keep the patient comfortable.

That is correct. But an infant is just as much as a "vegetable" as Schiavo is.

You can call me names all night long, dork. means about as much as playground insults. Doesnt change the fact that you're a fucking troll.

I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore.

Link ?

Doctor can not prescribe a potentialy fatal dose no matter how uncomfortable the patient is.

Every case is different.
In this case:
-dude marries woman
-they live together for 7 years
-she gets fucked up
-she is in irreversible coma/vegetative state/whatever you want to call it
-dude gets new woman
-dude gets 2 new kids with his new woman
-court decide that dude is and will remain the legal guardian

Now if you think that he should be the one to decide on her behalf, then I will have to be the one to go shoot myself.

Now if you think that he should be the one to decide on her behalf, then I will have to be the one to go shoot myself.

Would you want to be fed by a tube for 15 years? Unable to move, unable to speak, unable to communicate in any way? Do you know anyone that would?

the fact that you use "dude" more than twice in one paragraph makes me agree with baddog on this one.

I don't know, it would depend on a lot of factors.
I know most people would not want to be kept alive.
That is why if you do not want to be kept alive, then you should have a living will and/or a DNR.
And if a living will/DNR is not available, then your next of kin should make the decision.
In the Schiavo case I do not agree with the court that says that the husband is the one to make the decision. In 95% of the case I would agree that it is for the spouse to make the decision, but in a case like that where the normal spouse has redone his life and is living with another woman, then he has lost his marital rights.

You're ignoring the fact that the man and her parents worked together for years and years in search of treatment before he finally accepted what doctors told him almost all along...that there is no hope of recovery.

They can and they do... I have seen it many times.... and I dont need Google to tell me that.

Before porn I was a nurse, I worked on ITU for about 2 years and also on general wards. I pushed the morphine in myself on more than one occasion.

SHE IS ALREADY DEAD! you people are fucking stupid, it is truly terrible whatever god there is gave you people air to breathe.

her brain is liquid!!!!!!!! HER BRAIN IS LIQUID!

read above HER FUCKING BRAIN IS LIQUID!

Why are you getting so excited?

I support right to die, and think this girl should be kept alive.

because there is no way any half intelligent person would ever say "keep her alive"

ANYONE with half a brain would understand why she should be let go and its stupid people who "think" they understand issues that make this world a worse place.

Then they are criminals.





Oh, we are going to take for granted legal medical advice from a former junkie and now a porn webmaster ?

Just think of what you're saying: "If a patient feels uncomfortable, the doctor can give him a fatal dose of drugs"

Don't make me laugh.

True.
So but why cant you agree that since we are in a sense killing her by not feeding her, why not just end it with one heavy dose of morphine

why ?

It is the parents decision, and that is because of the facts of that SPECIFIC CASE.

because euthanasia is illegal

because euthanasia is illegal

Didnt a handful of judges and courts say otherwise. If it was the parents decision she wouldnt be kept alive now would she?>

OK.... Believe what you like..... I have no reason to lie to you

Im 34 years old.... Like most people on here that are not teenagers, I had a 'real' job and a life before the internet.

Because there is no absolute proof that this is what she wants.
Just like I oppose abortion but I support the right of a woman to choose.

Real job ? A nurse picking shit from under the patients ?

I have a Masters Degree in Laws and i have 5 family members who are real doctors (not nurses). I'm telling you that giving a potentially fatal dose of drugs to someone in a felony.


Euthanasia is illegal, okay ?

Ha ha ha, ha.. haaaaaaa, haaa.. Masters Degree in Laws... haaaa ha.... scan it and post it.. I'd LOVE to see that one...

Real job ? A nurse picking shit from under the patients ?

I have a Masters Degree in Laws and i have 5 family members who are real doctors (not nurses). I'm telling you that giving a potentially fatal dose of drugs to someone in a felony.


Euthanasia is illegal, okay ?

no "proof"

if you find 1 single human that would like to sit in a chair with no communication or learning ability for 15 years come and post it here.

what PROOF is needed!? 15 years!? its common sense! 99.9% of EVERYONE on this plant would have wanted to plug pulled on themselves after the first couple years (most even less).

Wanna make a bet ? $5000

We'll use an escrow - someone respected from this board.

Then i'll post a scan.