Is it possible to do 500+ joins a day without affilliates?

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  • goldrush
    Will trade SE hits for CJ hits
    • Apr 2006
    • 661
    #51
    So the law of diminishing returns is news?
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      • Pornwolf
        Drunk and Unruly
        • Jan 2002
        • 22712
        #52
        Originally posted by Webby
        Basically multiple front ends... covering serveral niches.. any and all options not excluded for "traffic getting" ie buy the heads.

        If some network sites don't get 500 signs with 50 "cash registers" running - there is something wrong.
        I feel the same way Webby. I always have.

        I think this was the biggest thing juicing the AVS linklists taught me years ago. There was a finite amount of traffic in the systems. Age Check, Cyber Age, Pro Adult, Sex key and others had a ton of it but in order to get every hit you would have to build a certain amount of sites in different niches upselling different sites inside. If you stuck with one or two niches you would easily hit that threshold where the resistance started to fight against you. At that point you would just be burning bandwidth and also watching your upsell conversions drop because those surfers had seen it all over and over again.

        The same thing applies to the SE's, TGPs, Link Lists and even mail. Once you scale up, you have to spread the attention.

        I wonder why more people don't subscribe to this idea?
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          • Shocking
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2006
            • 523
            #53
            Originally posted by Pornwolf
            I feel the same way Webby. I always have.

            I think this was the biggest thing juicing the AVS linklists taught me years ago. There was a finite amount of traffic in the systems. Age Check, Cyber Age, Pro Adult, Sex key and others had a ton of it but in order to get every hit you would have to build a certain amount of sites in different niches upselling different sites inside. If you stuck with one or two niches you would easily hit that threshold where the resistance started to fight against you. At that point you would just be burning bandwidth and also watching your upsell conversions drop because those surfers had seen it all over and over again.

            The same thing applies to the SE's, TGPs, Link Lists and even mail. Once you scale up, you have to spread the attention.

            I wonder why more people don't subscribe to this idea?
            'cause some people want to make money but not work for it!
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              • Webby
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2002
                • 14956
                #54
                Originally posted by Pornwolf
                I think this was the biggest thing juicing the AVS linklists taught me years ago. There was a finite amount of traffic in the systems. Age Check, Cyber Age, Pro Adult, Sex key and others had a ton of it but in order to get every hit you would have to build a certain amount of sites in different niches upselling different sites inside. If you stuck with one or two niches you would easily hit that threshold where the resistance started to fight against you. At that point you would just be burning bandwidth and also watching your upsell conversions drop because those surfers had seen it all over and over again.

                The same thing applies to the SE's, TGPs, Link Lists and even mail. Once you scale up, you have to spread the attention.
                Agree and think you hit it 100% Pornwolf. A mix of .. basically cash registers covering a series of niches and "feeders" directing context-relevant niche traffic to them.

                There are other slight benefits to this in that you have your own promo content/creatives and this is not saturated over the marketplace.
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                  • Webby
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 14956
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Shocking
                    'cause some people want to make money but not work for it!
                    Sure is more work Shocking, but it's nice to be able to control/monitor/promote your own efforts and, only me, but seems more stable conversions than throwing traffic at sponsors. (Tho not knocking sponsors - there is still a place for that in the grand plan )
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                      • $5 submissions
                        I help you SUCCEED
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 32195
                        #56
                        Originally posted by dvd316
                        possible yes, but money saved from aff payouts would have to go to advertising
                        Makes sense

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                          • Mr Pheer
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 22083
                            #57
                            Just last sunday I sent 498 joins to Adult Friend Finder and I'm only 1 person. So yes I think you could do it without affiliates if you have a good network of sites.

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                              • Pornwolf
                                Drunk and Unruly
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 22712
                                #58
                                Originally posted by MrPheer
                                Just last sunday I sent 498 joins to Adult Friend Finder and I'm only 1 person. So yes I think you could do it without affiliates if you have a good network of sites.
                                Nice! That's some good money right there. Percentage or per click?
                                I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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                                  • Mr Pheer
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Dec 2002
                                    • 22083
                                    #59
                                    its all percentage

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                                      • Pornwolf
                                        Drunk and Unruly
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 22712
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by MrPheer
                                        its all percentage
                                        Cha ching! Loan me a hundred bucks! I know you have it!

                                        Just kidding. It's always smart to go percentage with AFF. I can only imagine the rebills you are seeing.
                                        I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                        Webair, bitches.

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                                          • Paul Markham
                                            Too old to care
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 52942
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                            I see a few programs owners saying they get 1000's of joins a day... but they may make $10 in profits after expenses.

                                            Is it possible to do 500 a day without affilliates? The profit margin would be very sexy.
                                            Ask me this is 6 months time and I will not be buying a single advert. Well I might after a while.

                                            I'm very serious about this and putting something into Beta testing in a few weeks, will carry it through for a few months and see what happens.

                                            Not sure about the 500 a day though. 500 a month would be a nice addition though and the profit margin higher than $10.



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                                              • Paul Markham
                                                Too old to care
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 52942
                                                #62
                                                I'm pretty sure I know a site that does $2,000,000 a year turn over without paying for a single advert, does not have a single affiliate, in fact they turned me down and does not have very much exclusive content but does have a lot of mine.

                                                Also I think they have an average Alexa rating.

                                                How do they do it?

                                                Go figure it out.



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                                                  • Pornwolf
                                                    Drunk and Unruly
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 22712
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                    I'm pretty sure I know a site that does $2,000,000 a year turn over without paying for a single advert, does not have a single affiliate, in fact they turned me down and does not have very much exclusive content but does have a lot of mine.

                                                    Also I think they have an average Alexa rating.

                                                    How do they do it?

                                                    Go figure it out.
                                                    Ya got me on that one. Since you mentioned it, do you know how they do it?
                                                    I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                    Webair, bitches.

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                                                      • ed146
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2005
                                                        • 283
                                                        #64
                                                        There are quite of few people who do not spend a lot of money on advert and no affiliates pull that kind of joins in the past. I can think one already
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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                                            Ya got me on that one. Since you mentioned it, do you know how they do it?
                                                            Yes I do.

                                                            But I'm not telling and I'm going down the same route, well trying to. I'm just not sure if I can get it to the same scale.

                                                            I was talking to the guy who runs the site and the financial director in Amsterdam airport last year. We were waiting for planes after being at the mobile phone/Internet show.



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                                                              • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                North Coast Pimp
                                                                • Dec 2005
                                                                • 9395
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                I'm pretty sure I know a site that does $2,000,000 a year turn over without paying for a single advert, does not have a single affiliate, in fact they turned me down and does not have very much exclusive content but does have a lot of mine.

                                                                Also I think they have an average Alexa rating.

                                                                How do they do it?

                                                                Go figure it out.
                                                                You forgot to mention they don't charge for membership either, unless you are talking someone else, btw, I know how they do it, I also know how to get 500 plus joins a day with no affiliates, you must have a healthy start up budget though!

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                                                                  • Bladewire
                                                                    StraightBro
                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                    • 56228
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by NetDomainia
                                                                    You forgot to mention they don't charge for membership either, unless you are talking someone else, btw, I know how they do it, I also know how to get 500 plus joins a day with no affiliates, you must have a healthy start up budget though!

                                                                    Yeah like you know


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                                                                      • Bake
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 5915
                                                                        #68
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                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 52942
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by NetDomainia
                                                                            You forgot to mention they don't charge for membership either, unless you are talking someone else, btw, I know how they do it, I also know how to get 500 plus joins a day with no affiliates, you must have a healthy start up budget though!
                                                                            They charge just under $28.00 a month.

                                                                            They are not short of money.

                                                                            Keep guessing.



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                                                                              • vod
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jan 2006
                                                                                • 3510
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                Of course it is.
                                                                                Now That's Fucked Up did it.
                                                                                Just come up with a fresh idea that attracts attention.

                                                                                agreed ....

                                                                                affiliates can help and hurt a biz. it really depends on the product.


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                                                                                  • Pornwolf
                                                                                    Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 22712
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                    They charge just under $28.00 a month.

                                                                                    They are not short of money.

                                                                                    Keep guessing.
                                                                                    This is reminding me of the games girls play in 3rd grade. Spit it out or say nothing at all. I don't like blue balls.
                                                                                    I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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                                                                                      • Pornwolf
                                                                                        Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                        • 22712
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Bake
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                                                                                          • Bake
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 5915
                                                                                            #73
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