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  • tranza
    ICQ: 197-556-237
    • Jun 2003
    • 57559
    #1

    What would you rather start today: a small paysite or a premium AVS site?

    If you had the content, design ready and servers, what would you rather start a small paysite with a few affiliates (probably using CCBill) or a premium AVS site, and work on your member database yourself.

    Both cases you'd update 2 times a week.

    Let me know why you choose your answer too, and which AVS would you recommend if you suggest AVSs.
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    • tenderobject
      Need Designs? 312352846
      • Dec 2004
      • 11688
      #2
      nice thread bump for answer..


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        • polish_aristocrat
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2002
          • 40377
          #3
          Originally posted by tenderobject
          nice thread bump for answer..
          dude you bumped it same minute as he started it
          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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            • tranza
              ICQ: 197-556-237
              • Jun 2003
              • 57559
              #4
              Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
              dude you bumped it same minute as he started it
              Probably a bot, just to increase his postcount.

              But this IS a nice thread.

              I'm just a newbie.

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                • Violetta
                  Affiliate
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 28735
                  #5
                  I DID start a small paysite 1 year ago! Can't say I regret!
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                    • Dugmor
                      The Traffic Cowboy
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 7687
                      #6
                      We started our first paysite on an AVS.

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                        • goldrush
                          Will trade SE hits for CJ hits
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 661
                          #7
                          Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.
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                            • tranza
                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 57559
                              #8
                              Originally posted by goldrush
                              Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.
                              I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would disagree with you.

                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                • CIVMatt
                                  Amateur Pimpin
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 13075
                                  #9
                                  I thought AVS was way dead, is it still a moneymaker?
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                                    • goldrush
                                      Will trade SE hits for CJ hits
                                      • Apr 2006
                                      • 661
                                      #10
                                      It's 2006... time to get independent, not more dependent.
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                                        • tranza
                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 57559
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by goldrush
                                          It's 2006... time to get independent, not more dependent.
                                          How are you more independent with a small paysite? You depend 100% your one and only processor. That wouldn't be a problem with an AVS using cascading processors.
                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                            • IceMaster
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 8920
                                              #12
                                              I would choose small paysite.

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                                                • justsexxx
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                  • 13723
                                                  #13
                                                  I would make a small paysite...Why? Maybe the recurring will be less then on a huge AVS. However, YOU are in control...Upsells, popups, exits, legit mails to current/expired members etc...
                                                  Questions?

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                                                    • tranza
                                                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 57559
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by justsexxx
                                                      I would make a small paysite...Why? Maybe the recurring will be less then on a huge AVS. However, YOU are in control...Upsells, popups, exits, legit mails to current/expired members etc...
                                                      Good point.

                                                      I'm just a newbie.

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                                                        • michal
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 356
                                                          #15
                                                          you can get more partners to push your paysite if its good

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                                                            • tranza
                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 57559
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by michal
                                                              you can get more partners to push your paysite if its good
                                                              Yeah, I know that, but I wonder if the low margins would be worth it.
                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                • EdgeXXX
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                  • 5816
                                                                  #17
                                                                  IMHO, I would recommend going with a small paysite. The problem with many AVS sites these days is that they are too watered down and many of them look the same to the surfer (in other words, same content different design). It also depends on which AVS you choose, but what happens if a surfer visits your (AVS) site and notices that he/she "will also get access to many other great sites" so they decide to go and check out the other sites (to see what else is being offered before joining), decides "yeah, this is great" and signs up at whatever other AVS site they happen to be browsing at the time (not yours). Surfers don't know or care about who gets credit for what. On the other hand, if you wanted later to be able to sign up affiliates, I would recommend going AVS. The reason I say this is because (personally) I hate clicking on a "Webmasters" (Affiliate) link and seeing the CCBill affiliate signup; because it usually means that there will be NO promo content or materials of any kind, which can be a huge pain in the ass. Most times that I see that I just forget it and move on. If you do end up going through an AVS though, I would highly recommend going through one of the better ones like AdultBouncer or DeluxePass.

                                                                  Also, keep in mind that since many AVS's have a fairly large member base, it is therefor easier for a pass cracker to bruteforce and find working user/pass combos. So if a surfer knows where to look, they can get a free pass to your AVS site without having to pay for it. Just my .02
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                                                                    • goldrush
                                                                      Will trade SE hits for CJ hits
                                                                      • Apr 2006
                                                                      • 661
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by tranza
                                                                      How are you more independent with a small paysite? You depend 100% your one and only processor. That wouldn't be a problem with an AVS using cascading processors.
                                                                      You could set up a cascading solution with your own paysite too... People should have learnt from Adultcheck.
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                                                                        • tranza
                                                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                          • 57559
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by goldrush
                                                                          You could set up a cascading solution with your own paysite too... People should have learnt from Adultcheck.
                                                                          But that wouldn't fall under a "small CCBill paysite" that I mentioned.
                                                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                            • Brujah
                                                                              Beer Money Baron
                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 22157
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Looks like a small paysite is the obvious winner. An AVS has the advantage of being easier though, and you could use it as a testing or beta phase for your paysite. Tweak it and improve it until you're satisfied with the process and the conversions are looking good, and then switch it or mirror it over to your own new paysite.

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                                                                                • CIVMatt
                                                                                  Amateur Pimpin
                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                  • 13075
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Where can one find a faq or a down and dirty info on the avs biz?
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                                                                                    • scottybuzz
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                      • 14799
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      simply for me paysite, because my knowledge of avs is poor
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                                                                                        • tranza
                                                                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 57559
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                          simply for me paysite, because my knowledge of avs is poor
                                                                                          Lol, thanks for the insight.
                                                                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                            • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                              Now with more Jayne
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 40077
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I am hoping to do both. I have a lot of premium AVS sites in niches that I would like to take forward and make into small paysites. Sort of like using AVS as my sandbox for a niche until I have it fully understood. As soon as they actually send me my British passport so I qualify for CCBill EU I am going to start the small paysites.

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                                                                                                • tranza
                                                                                                  ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                  • 57559
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Bump for me.
                                                                                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                    • clickhappy
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                      • 4027
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rockatansky
                                                                                                      I DID start a small paysite 1 year ago! Can't say I regret!
                                                                                                      Really? What happened?
                                                                                                      I'm at this point too where Ive amassed a ton of content over the years and debating the paysite vs premium avs decision

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                                                                                                        • CyberAgeGary
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 2869
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by goldrush
                                                                                                          Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.

                                                                                                          I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites.. They still sell, the people think they are dead is because it got so much easier making paysites, that people stopped making avs sites..

                                                                                                          Avs = paysites, with more content for the surfer..
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                                                                                                            • tranza
                                                                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                              • 57559
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by LatinCashGary
                                                                                                              I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites.. They still sell, the people think they are dead is because it got so much easier making paysites, that people stopped making avs sites..

                                                                                                              Avs = paysites, with more content for the surfer..


                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                • BoyAlley
                                                                                                                  So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                  • 19714
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I'd go with a paysite....

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                                                                                                                    • FUCK J0EL
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 1899
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      yeah AVS is DEAD
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                                                                                                                        • justsexxx
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                          • 13723
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                                          But that wouldn't fall under a "small CCBill paysite" that I mentioned.
                                                                                                                          Are you the only promoter? If so, why not add verotel and epoch?

                                                                                                                          One week you have ccbill, next week verotel...Etc etc..This way you have your eggs in more baskets too...
                                                                                                                          Questions?

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                                                                                                                            • jayeff
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                                              • 2944
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by LatinCashGary
                                                                                                                              I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites..
                                                                                                                              Agreed. There must still be 2 or 3 people submitting every day to the remaining "traditional" AVS. It's the same 2 or 3 people submitting the same sites to every list, but hey...

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                                                                                                                                • fris
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 55689
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  i promote www.onlygonzo.com from deluxepass, it does great for me. and the guy that runs is making good coin i am sure.
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                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      A small paysite in a underexposed, or micro niche fo' shizzle my nizzle. The more specialized, the better. Although I would update a min. of 3 times a week. But that's just me.

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                                                                                                                                        • CyberAgeGary
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 2869
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by J0EL
                                                                                                                                          yeah AVS is DEAD

                                                                                                                                          What's up Joel,

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                                                                                                                                            • tranza
                                                                                                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 57559
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by J0EL
                                                                                                                                              yeah AVS is DEAD
                                                                                                                                              Hey Joel, do you have ICQ? Hit me up when you get the chance.
                                                                                                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                • chase
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 6019
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  My amateur site started as a ProAdult Quantum site. I did have affiliates, too.

                                                                                                                                                  I think I will probably repeat if I ever start another paysite, because using an AVS gives you a safety net in which to learn, like Sarah said. If bandwidth goes crazy high, PA covers it; I'm on their free host. Billing is covered, and I can get affiliates' help promoting, too. Plus I have all the other AVS sites' and content to encourage browsers to join.
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                                                                                                                                                    • tranza
                                                                                                                                                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 57559
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Last time bump for today....
                                                                                                                                                      I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                        • dbyte
                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                                                          • 73
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          While we're at it... does any of the big AVS networks out there offer epass payouts or only check?
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                                                                                                                                                            • goldrush
                                                                                                                                                              Will trade SE hits for CJ hits
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 661
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I'd say one of the new video style AVSs (where the AVS owns the content) is quite a different proposition to an older style premium AVS site (where the webmaster owns the content) or a paysite.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Drake
                                                                                                                                                                  Hello world!
                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 12508
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dbyte
                                                                                                                                                                  While we're at it... does any of the big AVS networks out there offer epass payouts or only check?
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                                                                                                                                                                    • MaddCaz
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                      • 9483
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      small paysite

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                                                                                                                                                                        • avalanche
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 1922
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Definately small paysite!
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                                                                                                                                                                            • he-fox
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                                                              • 2884
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Why don't you make a small paysite AND a premium AVS site?

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm a fan of trying every way possible when you do a new thing, because you don't know which option you'd feel confortable with.
                                                                                                                                                                              Just name them differently and have another design done.

                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe it's a bad idea, but, hey, it's just me...

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 11190
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  For all of you that keeping saying AVS is dead you need to get that out of your head. AVS is not dead. Hit me up if you want to get started on one or boost up some older ones you may have.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • tranza
                                                                                                                                                                                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 57559
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by goldrush
                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd say one of the new video style AVSs (where the AVS owns the content) is quite a different proposition to an older style premium AVS site (where the webmaster owns the content) or a paysite.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, hell yeah, it's a totally different ball game.

                                                                                                                                                                                      But on this case, I have the content myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • tranza
                                                                                                                                                                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 57559
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
                                                                                                                                                                                          For all of you that keeping saying AVS is dead you need to get that out of your head. AVS is not dead. Hit me up if you want to get started on one or boost up some older ones you may have.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I really don't understand your payout structure at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Do I get paid every month even when the surfer signs up for a 1 Year Pass?
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • nekrom
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 921
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Imo I'd create a premium avs site for testing/tweeking then progress it into a small paysite.

                                                                                                                                                                                              As others have mentioned above most AVS sites have stricter rules about the amount of offsite links you can use. Also factoring in if they allow exit/popunder marketing, you can start to see the advantages of a paysite.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now with more Jayne
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 40077
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I really don't understand your payout structure at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do I get paid every month even when the surfer signs up for a 1 Year Pass?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  If it is a one year pass you get paid yearly, three month passes every three months and a month pass monthly as long as the stay a member. The vast majoirty stay a member. I have been bulding and promoting Cyberage Platinum sites for over four years and most of my surfers buy montly memberships with the odd three monthly thrown in. Now and then I get a yearly one but not that often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  CyberAge more or less gives you money..click bonus, the platinum pot share, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't work for them at all and you may notice I never give my ref code when I mention them. They have simply been the one sponsor that has sent me a check every two weeks for four years and every check gets bigger. Some of the rebills I get are for sites put into their system years ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • madko
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 566
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      i read all your post's .. i am starting my small paysite :D
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