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  • Dirty F
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 59204
    #1

    So i just tried to sign up for a ccbill site

    My perfectly fine mastercard got declinded and my epass virtual visa got declined.

    And this is far from the first time i tried to buy something through ccbill and it didnt work out.
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    • Project-Shadow
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2003
      • 7340
      #2
      The epass virtual visa doesn't work with ccbill. The mastercard however is a bit worrying =/

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        • Dirty F
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2001
          • 59204
          #3
          Ok, didnt know that.

          The mastercard is fine..i used it last night in a restaurant for the last time.

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            • Trax
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              • Aug 2001
              • 14486
              #4
              that sucks bad but confirms exactly what I always thought about CCbill and their scrubbing...

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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204
                  #5
                  Last year i referred i think 4 people advanced submitter of which 3 people got their card declined.

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                    • DarkJedi
                      No Refunds Issued.
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 28301
                      #6
                      ccbill scrubbing is very bad

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                        • BRISK
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12240
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Project-Shadow
                          The epass virtual visa doesn't work with ccbill.
                          Why not?
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                            • polish_aristocrat
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 40377
                              #8
                              Probably because you're European...
                              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                • DutchTeenCash
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                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 21684
                                  #9
                                  ICS blocked a bunch yday due to some bigtime fraud, VISA for sure but Ive already heard 2 guys who got their MC blocked, mines not phey phey you might wanna give them a call

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                                    • polish_aristocrat
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 40377
                                      #10
                                      but I agree this scrubbing sucks so much

                                      what's the average scrub level nowadays? already 50%?

                                      imagine how our stats would like if only 10-15% of transactions would be scrubbed
                                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                        • Dusen
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 2251
                                          #11
                                          I tried to buy a Bang submit pass and went through 3 credit cards before giving up. I believe they use CCBill.

                                          It indicated that my area of the world was flagged as high fraud/risk. I'm from Canada.
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                                            • Project-Shadow
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2003
                                              • 7340
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by BRISK
                                              Why not?
                                              Don't quote me but I believe it's because it's a high risk transaction, same reason you cant load your paypal from your epass visa..

                                              Paycom accepts the epass visa however.

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                                                • Dirty F
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 59204
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Dusen
                                                  It indicated that my area of the world was flagged as high fraud. I'm from Canada.

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                                                    • Dusen
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 2251
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Franck
                                                      No joke, it's a wonder that sites are making me money if people have to go through that.

                                                      Then again I don't have to put up with fraud hassles like they do. So who knows overall.
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                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 7760
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                          but I agree this scrubbing sucks so much

                                                          what's the average scrub level nowadays? already 50%?

                                                          imagine how our stats would like if only 10-15% of transactions would be scrubbed
                                                          the real scrub level is around 10-15%

                                                          I tried mine card a few times and it came through every time. Also a mastercard.

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                                                            • corvette
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                              • 7880
                                                              #16
                                                              Franck, our fraud system looks at the culmination of many factors before determining whether to accept/decline a transaction. icq or email me the email address that you used when you got declined. i can check out the specific reason(s).

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                                                                • JOKER
                                                                  Facit Omnia Voluntas
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 2105
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by corvett
                                                                  Franck, our fraud system looks at the culmination of many factors before determining whether to accept/decline a transaction. icq or email me the email address that you used when you got declined. i can check out the specific reason(s).

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                                                                  I guess that was not his point.

                                                                  Would a surfer email you and go thru the hassle of getting his specific card "whitelisted" because it's fine and maybe just from a bank you had a few CB's from?

                                                                  Scrubbing is all good and necessary, but imho CCbill is doing it way too hard.

                                                                  But not that this is any news.
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                                                                    • corvette
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 7880
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
                                                                      I guess that was not his point.

                                                                      Would a surfer email you and go thru the hassle of getting his specific card "whitelisted" because it's fine and maybe just from a bank you had a few CB's from?

                                                                      Scrubbing is all good and necessary, but imho CCbill is doing it way too hard.

                                                                      But not that this is any news.
                                                                      Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $. You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.

                                                                      I wanted to check out the decline reason and get on the same page with him with why it was declined, as a professional courtesy?

                                                                      Imho, making a general judgment on the scrubbing techniques of a processing company off of one or two attempts from one consumer is similar to making a judgment on a website during a server reboot?we do accept thousands of transactions every hour
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                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                          • 40377
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by corvett
                                                                          Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $. You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.
                                                                          european processors scrubb far less, I can use my polish card to join f.e "Club Seventeen" but not a CCbill based site

                                                                          but that's also nothing new
                                                                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                            • Basic_man
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                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                              • 27360
                                                                              #20
                                                                              You are on the blacklist of CCBill :P
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                                                                                • JOKER
                                                                                  Facit Omnia Voluntas
                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                  • 2105
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by corvett
                                                                                  Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $.
                                                                                  So having a % of CB's from certain banks is reason enough to put their complete cards on the blacklist, ergo blacklisting the bank?

                                                                                  Originally posted by corvett
                                                                                  You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.
                                                                                  Please point out where I implied there is any company doing that.

                                                                                  Originally posted by corvett
                                                                                  I wanted to check out the decline reason and get on the same page with him with why it was declined, as a professional courtesy?
                                                                                  Do you offer that to every surfer that wants to join a site with a legit card but gets declined for some reason?

                                                                                  Originally posted by corvett
                                                                                  Imho, making a general judgment on the scrubbing techniques of a processing company off of one or two attempts from one consumer is similar to making a judgment on a website during a server reboot?we do accept thousands of transactions every hour
                                                                                  Get real, it's well known CCbill declines alot of cards that are in fact legit cards because the bank of the card has some historical % with chargebacks
                                                                                  in your DB.
                                                                                  It's not like this happens once in a while, and you know it.

                                                                                  I'm not looking for a pissing match with you by all means, just telling you CCbill is scrubbing way too hard, and that makes it harder to get an overall
                                                                                  good signup rate with any site that uses CCBill as their sole processor.

                                                                                  Proove me wrong if saying "CCbill has the hardest scrubbing of all 3rd party processors out there" is totally off the hook.

                                                                                  Is someone from CCbill going to be in Prague at the AOE, then we can have a sit down and talk this out in person as well
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                                                                                    • e-god
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 1738
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      interesting. What is the 3rd biggest payment processor today? Verotel?

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                                                                                        • corvette
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                                          • 7880
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE

                                                                                          I'm not looking for a pissing match with you by all means


                                                                                          Is someone from CCbill going to be in Prague at the AOE, then we can have a sit down and talk this out in person as well
                                                                                          fair enough, yes we should have somebody at the show that you can discuss scrubbing declines at length with
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                                                                                            • Dr. Wicks
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 419
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I will be in Prague at the show and will be happy to sit down with you and discuss CCBill in detail. CCBill will be sponsoring the Bar area at the entrance and I will be there each and every day. Please stop by and ask for me. I look forward to meeting you.
                                                                                              Dr. Wicks

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                                                                                                • DraX
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 7147
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Im happy with ccbill
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                                                                                                    • adonis
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 231
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      We see many CCbill declines since yesterday. Some of them could signup in the past. I don't like to see "Declined transaction" mails.

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