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You should read this article http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/102601.shtml look at the comments her "husband" made to the RN and tell me if you think he's still a good man.Originally posted by unoWhy do people keep repeating this argument? It makes no sense. Because the man went and moved on with his life he is supposed to forget the wishes of his former wife? I don't think so. If he cared about her once and still cares about her he should respect her wishes.www.wcpcash.com
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Okay, so this is a case of you being afraid people are going to think you are brain dead, and stop feeding you.Originally posted by mardigrasSo the husband not allowing film of Terri for 2 years is presenting evidence how? Why shouldn't the court that is making the decision to pull her plug have visual confirmation as to the ascertations of her condition, especially since the 2 sides report it very differently? Judges often take the jury to a crime scene, little difference would be visiting this woman personally and seeing for themselves which side is correct.
Take lots of video.Comment
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The 'wishes' were just complete heresay, and I thought he didnt come up with that story till way later. Because she supposedly made some comment after watching a sappy movie? Thats not good enough.
Do we know what the state of their marraige was. For all we know they were miserable together and were looking at getting a divorce. The girl had a severe eating disorder, she couldn't have been too happy married to the guy.
He wants her dead for his needs, for his happiness, for his closure, for his check book. Not for her needs. The family has her needs at heart. He has moved on and has a new wife and kids.Comment
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Your wrong. She is not braindead. Look at what the official expert has said. Not the court apointed doctor but the expert in that field. She is in a state of minimal consciousness. Not BRAINDEAD. You are wrong.Originally posted by baddogShe is not in a coma. And was he braindead for 10 years?
Didn't think so.
Sorry buddy, we usually see things eye to eye, but this time you are wrong.www.wcpcash.com
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So, go bring her a hamburger and see if she can eat itOriginally posted by KRLI just think the way this is going down is sad. Fucking put her to sleep if you want to kill her. What's up with this starving her to death? That is just fucked up.Comment
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"[Another CNA] and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely." educate yourself before you debate.Originally posted by baddogSo, go bring her a hamburger and see if she can eat itwww.wcpcash.com
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you obviously don't have kids so you can't possibly walk in her parents shoes. If this was my kid you can be damn sure I would do everything possible if I believed she had a chance.Originally posted by baddogExactly. Wake the fuck up. When she married the guy her parents lost any stranglehold they may think that they had over their child.
If I had a wife that was relying on her parents for our life decisions she would be out the door so fucking fast her head would spin.
So tell me, you have been married at least once (as I recall), do your parents still make all your life decisions? If so, grow up. If not, then start putting things into perspective. If she was a teenager I would agree with you, the parents have some say. As an adult they do not . . . married or not.
And they sure do not have any fucking say when MY tax dollars are at stake. Keeping her alive for their own selfishness, because they don't want to outlive their child.
Well, fuck them, it happens daily. Welcome to reality.Comment
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damn....thats fucked up.........Originally posted by baddogSo, go bring her a hamburger and see if she can eat it
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And you are obviously clueless. I have two grown children.Originally posted by woodmanyou obviously don't have kids so you can't possibly walk in her parents shoes. If this was my kid you can be damn sure I would do everything possible if I believed she had a chance.Comment
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Ah come on BD, don't you think when you put someone down or an animal it should be a quick death?Originally posted by baddogSo, go bring her a hamburger and see if she can eat it
We all know why the court won't order that. Cause nobody wants the responsibility on their shoulders. So this is the easy way out for the court so they don't have to deal with the real issue at hand.
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I'll admit it also. As a parent I can't fathom pulling the plug on my son, if he was in a veggie state of being. I'd hope there would be a medical development or a miracle of some kind.
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Washington or Oregon?Originally posted by thekingTo the best of my knowledge Euthanasia is against the law in every state in the union...bar one.-uno
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So would you starve your children to death if they where disabled ? What if they where born that way and eating through a feeding tube. You would just starve them huh? just fuck it pull the plug thats a defect we will make another one ? I'm glad i'm not related to you. LOLOriginally posted by baddogAnd you are obviously clueless. I have two grown children.www.wcpcash.com
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Agreed, it would be tough, but after 10 years some things have to be accepted.Originally posted by KRLI'll admit it also. As a parent I can't fathom pulling the plug on my son, if he was in a veggie state of being. I'd hope there would be a medical development or a miracle of some kind.
What I find amazing is that it is "religious" people that are trying to keep her alive. My personal religious feelings is that she will be in a better place.Comment
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If they were braindead? Have you ever heard of something called the quality of life? You think she has one?Originally posted by menaceSo would you starve your children to death if they where disabled ? What if they where born that way and eating through a feeding tube. You would just starve them huh? just fuck it pull the plug thats a defect we will make another one ? I'm glad i'm not related to you. LOL
And for the record, I am glad we aren't related as well.Comment
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If this is what she wanted then she deserves to die with some dignity. It seems to me her parents are the one's in denile, hopefully it's not a matter of selfishness on their part to prolong her life.AIM sherierocks
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Wow, newsmax. Why don't you quote rense.com?Originally posted by menaceYou should read this article http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/102601.shtml look at the comments her "husband" made to the RN and tell me if you think he's still a good man.
A nurse says she regularly spoke?
The nurse could tell that she "immensely" enjoyed things or that she was happy with apple juice?
With court cases, private doctors, publically appointed doctors, hours of video, personal testimony of lots of people including her husband and friends, appellate court review, and 20 or so other reviews by higher level courts on various aspects not once has the husband lost and the court sided with the family. Why do you think that may be? They've seen all the evidence. They heard the testimony in that newsmax(
) article, they've done it all over and over again. The guardianship stands with the husband and his expression of her view backed up by witnesses that she did not want to live in such a state.
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I will say this one more time. The state of Florida has hired a nerological expert who has stated " Terry Schiavo is not brain dead". So what is your argument now? That it just sucks to live like that so fuck it lets starve her?Originally posted by baddogIf they were braindead? Have you ever heard of something called the quality of life? You think she has one?
And for the record, I am glad we aren't related as well.www.wcpcash.com
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That would be Oregon.Originally posted by unoWashington or Oregon?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally posted by menaceI will say this one more time. The state of Florida has hired a nerological expert who has stated " Terry Schiavo is not brain dead". So what is your argument now? That it just sucks to live like that so fuck it lets starve her?
You are probably one of those people that keep asking the same question over and over again until you hear the answer you want.Comment
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You seem like that person to me. Your the one that keeps saying she is brain dead ignoring the actuall facts.Originally posted by baddogYou are probably one of those people that keep asking the same question over and over again until you hear the answer you want.www.wcpcash.com
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...ck=1&cset=trueThe question--why won't Schiavo divorce his wife and let her parents care for her as they have requested?--has no satisfactory answer. Schiavo claims he persists in seeking Terri's demise out of respect for her wishes and to end her suffering. He insists that he stands to gain nothing from her death, noting that there is no life insurance policy.-uno
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No, the facts are she is fucking brain dead, no matter what some nurse says.Originally posted by menaceYou seem like that person to me. Your the one that keeps saying she is brain dead ignoring the actuall facts.
I am beginning to suspect the same of you.Comment
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Don't get mad cause your wrong. I'm not going by what some RN said. I'm going by what the neurological expert hired by the state of Florida has said. She isn't Brain dead rather in a state of minimal consciousness.Originally posted by baddogNo, the facts are she is fucking brain dead, no matter what some nurse says.
I am beginning to suspect the same of you.www.wcpcash.com
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Obviously you are a little confused. Have you ever watched a court trial that has expert witnesses presented by both sides? Have you ever noticed that even though they are both experts, they have differing opinions?Originally posted by menaceDon't get mad cause your wrong. I'm not going by what some RN said. I'm going by what the neurological expert hired by the state of Florida has said. She isn't Brain dead rather in a state of minimal consciousness.
They are know in the legal profession as whores. They will say whatever they get paid to say. In this case, if this "expert" says what you say he said, he obviously is biased. All "experts" are.
One "expert's" testimony isn't going to sway me. I have had 10 years to form my opinion, because unlike you I have been familiar with this case for a very long time.Comment
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FINALLY! someone with a brain!Originally posted by bluffIt's not sad at all, it's sad how some people cannot accept the ways of life. It's actually unbelievable how some people let their rational thinking go and be led by religious dictations. The judge has made a wise decision.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.Comment
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I think you are confused or didn't read my post. The parents didn't hire this expert. The husband didn't hire this expert. The state of Florida did. That would make him the most unbiased opinion we have.Originally posted by baddogObviously you are a little confused. Have you ever watched a court trial that has expert witnesses presented by both sides? Have you ever noticed that even though they are both experts, they have differing opinions?
They are know in the legal profession as whores. They will say whatever they get paid to say. In this case, if this "expert" says what you say he said, he obviously is biased. All "experts" are.
One "expert's" testimony isn't going to sway me. I have had 10 years to form my opinion, because unlike you I have been familiar with this case for a very long time.
And how ingorant of you to determine that i haven't kept up with this case. I doubt that you have kept up with this case for 10 years especially since she's only been like this for 15 years and there was no case for the first 7 years.
You need to get your facts straightwww.wcpcash.com
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NEWS FLASH!
Gov. Jeb Bush and the state's social services agency filed a petition in state court to take custody of Schiavo and, presumably, reconnect her feeding tube. It cites new allegations of neglect and challenges Schiavo's diagnosis as being in a persistent vegetative state. The request is based on the opinion of a neurologist working for the state who observed Schiavo at her bedside but did not conduct an examination of her.
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thank you for posting this maybe Baddog will go read and stop speaking from his ass.Originally posted by KRLNEWS FLASH!
Gov. Jeb Bush and the state's social services agency filed a petition in state court to take custody of Schiavo and, presumably, reconnect her feeding tube. It cites new allegations of neglect and challenges Schiavo's diagnosis as being in a persistent vegetative state. The request is based on the opinion of a neurologist working for the state who observed Schiavo at her bedside but did not conduct an examination of her.www.wcpcash.com
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Let me get this straight, you don't think that someone can be biased going into it, even if they were not paid by any of the effected parties? Give me a break.Originally posted by menaceI think you are confused or didn't read my post. The parents didn't hire this expert. The husband didn't hire this expert. The state of Florida did. That would make him the most unbiased opinion we have.
You are biased, and you have nothing to gain. He has fame and fortune to be gained. And isn't the State of Florida petitioning to keep her alive? So, don't you think they are going to hire someone that will see things their way?
Sorry, I did not pull out my calendar. Would it change things if I said I have had 5 or 7 years to form my opinion? How about if I said I have had 2 years to form my opinion?
And how ingorant of you to determine that i haven't kept up with this case. I doubt that you have kept up with this case for 10 years especially since she's only been like this for 15 years and there was no case for the first 7 years.Comment
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Originally posted by KRLThe request is based on the opinion of a neurologist working for the state who observed Schiavo at her bedside but did not conduct an examination of her.
Oh, so we should take the word of someone that has not examined her over those that have?
Yeah, that makes sense.Comment
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Well if you think it's possible for him to go into it being biased. Why do you not believe that her husband could do the same and have some other things on his mind rather than her well being?Originally posted by baddogLet me get this straight, you don't think that someone can be biased going into it, even if they were not paid by any of the effected parties? Give me a break.
You are biased, and you have nothing to gain. He has fame and fortune to be gained. And isn't the State of Florida petitioning to keep her alive? So, don't you think they are going to hire someone that will see things their way?
Sorry, I did not pull out my calendar. Would it change things if I said I have had 5 or 7 years to form my opinion? How about if I said I have had 2 years to form my opinion?
And i just think that if you did actually follow the story and knew the true facts you would form a different opinion. Or maybe your just cold harted fuck it .www.wcpcash.com
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You people are getting desperate trying to grasp at imaginary straws.Originally posted by menaceWell if you think it's possible for him to go into it being biased. Why do you not believe that her husband could do the same and have some other things on his mind rather than her well being?
And i just think that if you did actually follow the story and knew the true facts you would form a different opinion. Or maybe your just cold harted fuck it .
Courts have ruled, rulings appealed, initial findings upheld over and over and over again, new arguments made, they were all shot down too.-uno
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What facts are you basing your opinion on? Bullshit you have read on some website dedicated to prolonging this poor woman's life?Originally posted by menaceAnd i just think that if you did actually follow the story and knew the true facts you would form a different opinion. Or maybe your just cold harted fuck it .
Tell me, what exactly does she have to gain by being left alive? I have watched first hand what happens to someone that was not even as bad as her. I hated watching the misery. Thank God my father had the intelligence and fortitude to allow the doctors to give her a Brompton's Cocktail so she did not suffer too much.Comment
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Video's That PROVE The Veggie Claim Is WRONG
Claim: She feels nothing. Really? Watch Video 1.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Swab.rm
Claim: Her mind can not respond to anything spoken to her. Really? Watch Video 2.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm
Claim: She can no longer think and understand anything. Really? Watch Video 3.
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I will be sure to make sure that they keep you alive if you are ever put in the same situation.Originally posted by KRLVideo's That PROVE The Veggie Claim Is WRONG
Claim: She feels nothing. Really? Watch Video 1.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Swab.rm
Claim: Her mind can not respond to anything spoken to her. Really? Watch Video 2.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm
Claim: She can no longer think and understand anything. Really? Watch Video 3.
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yes they have and it's just stupid propoganda just like the videos of her "movements"...geesh i can't believe people going to the pro-tubers website and citing that as evidence.Originally posted by baddogThey have been accusing him of this for yearsSIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.Comment
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i could not agree more. they are horrible selfish, unrealistic fools.Originally posted by EZRhinoHer mom and dad are selfish and should be saying their good byes. Instead they are in front of the camera and begging congress to allow their daughter to suffer for another 15 years or more.
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Don't be a dumb ass. I got the fact that a neurological expert hired by the STATE OF FLORIDA said that she wasn't brain dead on MSNBC . is that mainstream enough for you ?Originally posted by baddogWhat facts are you basing your opinion on? Bullshit you have read on some website dedicated to prolonging this poor woman's life?
Tell me, what exactly does she have to gain by being left alive? I have watched first hand what happens to someone that was not even as bad as her. I hated watching the misery. Thank God my father had the intelligence and fortitude to allow the doctors to give her a Brompton's Cocktail so she did not suffer too much.www.wcpcash.com
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WOW ...........Originally posted by KRLVideo's That PROVE The Veggie Claim Is WRONG
Claim: She feels nothing. Really? Watch Video 1.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Swab.rm
Claim: Her mind can not respond to anything spoken to her. Really? Watch Video 2.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm
Claim: She can no longer think and understand anything. Really? Watch Video 3.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/balloon.rm
If I was her I would say:
KILL ME NOW!!!!!Comment
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If you could say "kill me now" chances are they would keep you alive for years LOLOriginally posted by EZRhinoWOW ...........
If I was her I would say:
KILL ME NOW!!!!!
remeber dr. kevorkian didn't he go to jail for carrying out people wishes to die ?Last edited by menace; 03-23-2005, 02:43 PM.www.wcpcash.com
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