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I'm a mushroom cloud-laying motherfucker, motherfucker!Originally posted by Vendzilla
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It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I don't give two shits if you want to cuss at the flag; hell, you can tell it whatever you want to, i don't care. Burning it, on the other hand, is not speaking. It is a classless and cowardly act of desecration.Originally posted by interavid.
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That's what I was trying to say, but you said much better.Originally posted by giftedtwistedComment
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Freedom of speech aint just about talking, are you in the porn industry?Originally posted by EdgeXXX
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Good this didnt pass. I think anyone who hates america enough to burn a flag should LEAVE THE COUNTRY, but, people have the right to do stupid shit.Comment
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Exactly, and just why do you think that anyone would burn the flag? It's not just so they can burn some colorful cloth. What they are "burning" is everything that the flag symbolizes and embodies.Originally posted by candyflipSomethings aren't always meant to be taken so literally. It's what that the flag stands for...FREEDOM
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WARNING: THIS THREAD CONTAINS STATE-SPONSORING FASCISTS WHO ABHORE THE DESTRUCTION OF IDOLS WHICH REPRESENT AUTHORITY. I.E. FLAGS AND CROSSES. This thread will contains elements of radical authoritarian political philosophy, corporatism, totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.Comment
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Originally posted by EdgeXXX
US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"
This can be interpreted as...
If someone feels the flag is no longer representing their rights as a citizen of the US they can burn it.
I feel this act is the ultimate expression of upset and disgust towards the government.Last edited by giftedtwisted; 06-27-2006, 05:50 PM.
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And the ACLU is tring to get a cross taken down in a veterans cemetary in San diego http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41617 , they can go fuck themselvesOriginally posted by devilspostCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Ok, since you feel qualified to enlighten us on the subject, please do so. How/why do you feel these "actions" should this be covered by "freedom of speech"?Originally posted by devilspostFreedom of speech aint just about talking, are you in the porn industry?.
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You have got to be kidding? Did you not read the part about dignifed?Originally posted by giftedtwistedCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Because it gives me woodOriginally posted by EdgeXXX Dude read the what the vets say about it on the aclu page.
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Originally posted by Pure Evil
If you own the wall, it's freedom of expression. It's funny how much thought people like you put into what comes out of your mouths (or keyboards).Comment
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Your confusing the American flag with politics, only the politians and dip shits that want to burn a flag see them as being the same, they aren't!Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyLast edited by Vendzilla; 06-27-2006, 05:58 PM.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Funny how people need symbols to make themselves feel happy and safe.Originally posted by Vendzilla
So if you get your xtain cross I can have my satanic star? Slippery slope aint it?
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That is not even close to the correct interpretation of what that section is stating. That section lays out the guidelines (mostly used as standards of display for federal institutions and agencies these days). What it is saying is that the flag should be displayed (as in on a flagpole) until such time as until such time as it is "no longer a fitting emblem" (as in it's sun-bleached, tattered and torn from weather). At that time, the flag is to be destroyed (as in retired) in a dignified way such as burning (since throwing a flag in the trash would be very disgraceful).Originally posted by giftedtwisted.
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HEIL BUSH!1. Dr. Rex Curry showed that the USA's early Pledge of Allegiance (to the flag) used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
Historic photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
also see http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
2. Many people were persecuted for refusing to give the straight-arm salute to the national flag. That was the national flag of the USA and of Germany. It happened in the USA (to the stars and stripes) and in Germany (to the swastika flag) at the same time. Many of the people who were persecuted were religious people who believed that the pledge and the salute were the sacrilegious worship of government. They had a basis for their belief. Most people do not know that a cross was worshiped as the notorious symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The group called the symbol on its national flag the "Hakenkreuz," not the swastika. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross." Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, Professor Rex Curry discovered that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for their "socialism." With a 45 degree turn of his Hakenkreuz, the leader of German National Socialists combined the cross with collectivism, merged church and state, meshed religion and socialism, and mandated the worship of government. Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist" and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.
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It's not about that, it's about the aclu thinking they have control over a veterans cemetary, veterans that are buried there have no rights over some atheist that wants it removed from his view, fuck him!Originally posted by devilspostCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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not if it is YOUR wall ...Originally posted by Pure EvilI know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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No, not slippery at all. Of course you can have your star. The issue is not about letting someone possess something, it is about letting someone destroy something that someone else holds sacred.Originally posted by devilspost.
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I am ... It's their cross ...Originally posted by Vendzilla
Now if they suspend a ni...er to it before, well that changes things from expression to murder ...I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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GFY dude, the salute comes from knights of old england, in salute they would raise the visor of their armor with their right hand extendedOriginally posted by nico-t
http://www.defence.gov.au/ARMY/tradi...ofSaluting.htm
What Hitler wanted his troops to do was completely differentCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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I guess you dont see why they want it taken down? I didnt read it but it is probably so everyones rights are protected. not just the xtian- invisible man worshipers.Originally posted by Vendzilla
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Yeah I want to start my own porn religion and hang a pic of shane's dick next to your xtain cross.Originally posted by EdgeXXX
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Maybe you should read it, what ever your beliefs are, don't push them on others, that should be the ACLU, but it isn't, it's about them making people pissed off, the cross was there for over 50 years and it over looked veterans that believed in the cross, well they got voted out, the ACLU is all about making headlines now, just like our politians, fuck all of themOriginally posted by devilspostCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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So? Be my guest, what the fuck do I care? You can hang a picture of his dick next to the flag and it still wouldn't be the same as burning it.Originally posted by devilspost.
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Internet porn is not speaking either, but it's protected by the same 1st amendment.. Although I agree 100% with you, freedom of expression falls within the speech deal...Originally posted by EdgeXXXComment
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good! those morons are always trying to come up with new ways to screw the American people.Comment
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piece of cloth used to identify groups ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag
If you would show as much respect to people than you do to this piece of cloth, you would be on the right track ....I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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True, but that is because it is still a form of communication. Even though it could be argued that by burning the flag, those people are just trying to communicate their point. But I don't buy this argument. Freedom of speech only goes so far, and personally I feel that this action falls outside of that and therefor should not be protected as a form of "freedom of speech".Originally posted by Scootermuze.
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I think you are confused. I am posting to Vendzilla about the cross hanging over a grave site and the aclu calling for taking it down.Originally posted by EdgeXXX
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If most people stood for the values, history, and beliefs that our flag stands for maybe I would.Originally posted by directfiesta.
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Oh, my bad. Makes a little more sense now; I was trying to figure out where the hell you were going with this.Originally posted by devilspost
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Nice point and I will concede to your argument here.Originally posted by EdgeXXX
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Like I said before why not ban burning copies of the Bill of Rights, The Civil Rights Act, U.S. constitution etc..??? then after that what else do we ban??? I'm not arguing that burning of the flag isn't a bad thing to see or even disgracefull, BUT life is hard...and the consutition doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt. This is more about the precident that it sets for the future.
Why not simply invoke local laws that limit open fires in public without a permit? No, our government has to Suddenly decide that the burning of the flag needs to be banned.
There are more important things in this world than the flag. Which btw we wear as underwear, tshirts, and shoes.... so if we can shit sweat and walk on our flag why can't we burn it for a cause?
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Originally posted by directfiesta
American Flag
Noun
1. The national flag of the United States of America.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Originally posted by EdgeXXX
You're in my son's third grade history class right?Comment
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I can see how that looks like the two were merged. My bad.Originally posted by Vendzilla
Regarding the flag, it doesn't bother me if they do burn it, however I would not do so. Burning it in front of those who DO respect the flag, is a disrespect to those people.
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Originally posted by Vendzilla
.. it still is just a piece of cloth....
Here is the French one:
No problem burning that too ...I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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Can I get a hallelujah
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Originally posted by giftedtwisted
Hmmmmm...
You make some very valid points here.
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then burn some cloth, the American flag is a symbol, if it was only a piece of cloth, then no one would careOriginally posted by directfiesta
.. it still is just a piece of cloth....
Here is the French one:
No problem burning that too ...Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Maybe the biggest problem that I have with the whole scenario is that it is ok for someone to burn the flag in front of me, but it's not ok (well, not legal) for me as a citizen with equal rights to do anything about it. Maybe we are looking at this situation at this situation from the wrong perspective. Maybe we should look into "expanding freedoms" as the vets said. How about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario.
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Yeah, I am, I sit right behind him. So try not to piss me off tonight or I may take it out on him tomorrow.Originally posted by Mr. Soul
You're in my son's third grade history class right?
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That's bullshit. The first Admendment especially protects speech no one likes. After all why wouuld speech everyone agrees with need protecting? You can burn an old tatter flag and it's considered proper, but if you burn it because you are protesting teh government then it's not ok. If that's not the definition of what the 1st Admendment is protecting then we should just tear the damned Constitution uip and burn that too.Originally posted by EdgeXXX
Aks yourself this, WHY does ANY speech need protecting?
ANSWER: because sometimes the government doesn't like what you have to say.
All these guys who have miltary experience that tell people like me "You haven't served to you don't get it" no YOU don't get it. Go re-read you induction oath
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"
there is an old saying " I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it"
Any military person that does not believe this is an emabarassment to the uniform, a hypocrite and a traitor.Comment
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Have I told you I love you today?Originally posted by EdgeXXXMaybe the biggest problem that I have with the whole scenario is that it is ok for someone to burn the flag in front of me, but it's not ok (well, not legal) for me as a citizen with equal rights to do anything about it. Maybe we are looking at this situation at this situation from the wrong perspective. Maybe we should look into "expanding freedoms" as the vets said. How about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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You might be fucking with the wrong commie pinko hippy and get taken to school.Originally posted by EdgeXXXHow about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario.
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