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The House hearings about Terri Schiavo

03-20-2005, 05:24 PM

is currently taking place on C-Span...if you are interested in watching.

Something that has already been stated...by the time the attorneys were paid...the husband was paid etc. etc. only $200,000 of the 2 plus million that she was awarded for her care was actually put in trust for her care.

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03-20-2005, 05:27 PM

I cant get cspan at the moment, wife has the remote.

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03-20-2005, 05:29 PM

also on CNN

bottom line - the congress should stay out of EVERYONE'S FUCKING PERSONAL LIVES

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03-20-2005, 05:31 PM

I can't believe the US gov't is wasting time on this...hundreds of people dying all across our country and on battlefields overseas and they want to debate about some woman who has been in a vegetative state and should have been unplugged years ago. Amazing.
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03-20-2005, 05:44 PM

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I can't believe the US gov't is wasting time on this...hundreds of people dying all across our country and on battlefields overseas and they want to debate about some woman who has been in a vegetative state and should have been unplugged years ago. Amazing.

Leave it to the conservatives.. All they know how to do is fuck up people's lives and waste tax payers money on their religious agenda. They are nothing more than a disease to this country.

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03-20-2005, 05:45 PM

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Leave it to the conservatives.. All they know how to do is fuck up people's lives and waste tax payers money on their religious agenda. They are nothing more than a disease to this country.

thats the kind of thinking that is going to get clinton back in the whitehouse!!!

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03-20-2005, 07:26 PM

To update...the hearings going down party lines. Democrats against...Republicans in favor of the bill. That is one thing that just irritates the hell out of me. Partisanship seems to be stronger than ever before...at least in my lifetime.

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03-20-2005, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by theking

To update...the hearings going down party lines. Democrats against...Republicans in favor of the bill. That is one thing that just irritates the hell out of me. Partisanship seems to be stronger than ever before...at least in my lifetime.

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03-20-2005, 07:28 PM

THis is bad very bad
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03-20-2005, 07:31 PM

Funny how all Republicans campaign against "big government", but when it comes down to it they only want smaller government when it comes to anti-trust and corporate laws/regulations but when someone does something they don't like personally they want to use "big government" to step in and control everyone and everything.
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03-20-2005, 07:32 PM

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Funny how all Republicans campaign against "big government", but when it comes down to it they only want smaller government when it comes to anti-trust and corporate laws/regulations but when someone does something they don't like personally they want to use "big government" to step in and control everyone and everything.

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03-20-2005, 07:37 PM

im so tired of that bullshit. it should be up to her parents, not husband. Blood is thicker than water

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03-20-2005, 07:38 PM

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Funny how all Republicans campaign against "big government", but when it comes down to it they only want smaller government when it comes to anti-trust and corporate laws/regulations but when someone does something they don't like personally they want to use "big government" to step in and control everyone and everything.

I thought it was funny to watch democrats denouce the quality of life of this lady while one of thier core values demands they prolong the quality of life of a child molester sentenced to life in a solitair 6' x 10' concrete cage.
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03-20-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

thats the kind of thinking that is going to get clinton back in the whitehouse!!!

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03-20-2005, 07:42 PM

Someone fill me in on what this is about? I was driving today and saw like 20 people with signs that said "dont let terri starve" or something, so I'am kinda intrigued.
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03-20-2005, 07:46 PM

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If you like that, here is another great Republican hypocrisy.

They say abortion should be illegal no matter what, even if the baby/child/adult's quality of life will be very poor. "God made the life for a reason so it should not be tampered with no matter what."

Ok great then, don't tamper with God's will. If you take this woman off life support she will die naturally very soon, is that not God's will also?

So that would mean by keeping her alive you are disobeying God's will.

O' WAIT! You say because God endowed man with the technilogical ability to keep someone alive forever and ever so we should do it, ok fine. Then since God gave us this great scientific ability why not give us some stem-cells to work with so we can cure some life threatening ailments that will put more poor people like this woman in comas and vegetative states on life support also. (Yes I realize this woman was in some accident, but you should get what I am saying.)

Then we can prevent this whole thing from occurring to much more.
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03-20-2005, 07:47 PM

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And he may just be back ...

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03-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by New User

If you like that, here is another great Republican hypocrisy.

They say abortion should be illegal no matter what, even if the baby/child/adult's quality of life will be very poor. "God made the life for a reason so it should not be tampered with no matter what."

Ok great then, don't tamper with God's will. If you take this woman off life support she will die naturally very soon, is that not God's will also?

So that would mean by keeping her alive you are disobeying God's will.

O' WAIT! You say because God endowed man with the technilogical ability to keep someone alive forever and ever so we should do it, ok fine. Then since God gave us this great scientific ability why not give us some stem-cells to work with so we can cure some life threatening ailments that will put more poor people like this woman in comas and vegetative states on life support also. (Yes I realize this woman was in some accident, but you should get what I am saying.)

Then we can prevent this whole thing from occurring to much more.

She did not have an accident. She had a heart attack in 1990 and her brain was deprived of oxygen...thus the brain damage.

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03-20-2005, 07:55 PM

let her go.....I am sorry to say it but if I was in that state PULL THE PLUG....
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03-20-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by theking

She did not have an accident. She had a heart attack in 1990 and her brain was deprived of oxygen...thus the brain damage.

Ah, there you go, there is something stem-cell research has actually shown promise in curing. If Republicans gave in to stem-cel research we could keep this woman alive and maybe help her recover in 5 years.
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03-20-2005, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Kevsh

And he may just be back ...

that would be soooooooooooo nice!!!!
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03-20-2005, 07:58 PM

So pretty much if my wife gets fat I can kill her. Its my judgement about her quality of life and her wishes. My word against anyone else.

The legal system cant touch me because democrats dont want legislators interfering with my private life. Dont arrest me with some charges bases on laws that were decided by some legislators.

According to democrats, its not their job to interfere with my personal life. Its a family matter.
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03-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by fl_prn_str

that would be soooooooooooo nice!!!!

I'm curious. I'm seriously asking. What did Clinton do while he was president that makes you happy?
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03-20-2005, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

So pretty much if my wife gets fat I can kill her. Its my judgement about her quality of life and her wishes. My word against anyone else.

The legal system cant touch me because democrats dont want legislators interfering with my private life. Dont arrest me with some charges bases on laws that were decided by some legislators.

According to democrats, its not their job to interfere with my personal life. Its a family matter.

You want the gov in your personal life? Do you forget what you do for a living?
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03-20-2005, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

So pretty much if my wife gets fat I can kill her. Its my judgement about her quality of life and her wishes. My word against anyone else.

The legal system cant touch me because democrats dont want legislators interfering with my private life. Dont arrest me with some charges bases on laws that were decided by some legislators.

According to democrats, its not their job to interfere with my personal life. Its a family matter.

You do realize your arguments flip-flop more than John Kerry right?

Also your argument holds no water at all because you obviously fail to understand the difference in making laws that defend citizens against crimes and laws that simply go far and beyond what "law" was intended for.

And your comparison of fat people and brain damaged people is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Heres a hint for you, if your debate is not based on germane issues, your pretty much taken as seriously as a 5 year old.
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03-20-2005, 08:03 PM

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Ah, there you go, there is something stem-cell research has actually shown promise in curing. If Republicans gave in to stem-cel research we could keep this woman alive and maybe help her recover in 5 years.

Stem cell research is legal and is on going in this country and is conducted by private enterprise without restriction. The Federal Government has restricted its funding for research...to certain existing stem cells.

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03-20-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

I'm curious. I'm seriously asking. What did Clinton do while he was president that makes you happy?

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but i think a good economy for one would be a starting point for the pro's in Clinton's favor....
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03-20-2005, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by L0rdJuni0r

im so tired of that bullshit. it should be up to her parents, not husband. Blood is thicker than water

I used that on my father in law to-nite and too my surprise he said that no the husband has the legal right and if I loved my wife I would not want to see
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03-20-2005, 08:07 PM

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Stem cell research is legal and is on going in this country and is conducted by private enterprise without restriction. The Federal Government has restricted its funding for research...to certain existing stem cells.

That is not true, the Federal Government has restricted research to a paticular line of of existing stem cells, which has turned out to have a failure rate of more than 85% because most had already expired when they were issued for use.
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03-20-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by tony404

You want the gov in your personal life? Do you forget what you do for a living?

I would seriously love to discuss that with you.

I'll spare you, but a summary of my feelings on that.

Anything that either political party wants to do to regulate the online porn industry would pale in comparison to the negative effects of the democrats agenda.

I'm a corporation. The owner of this board is a corporation. The sponsors that send me money are corporations.

The liberal democrat agenda of spreading the wealth would require them to take money out of our pockets, waste a good bit in bureaucracy, then distribute whats left to people who are not our target market.

Its a loose-loose-loose for this industry.

At the same time, corporate innovation takes a big hit and our technology gets stale.

Its a bunch of problems, but basically neither party can regulate this industry to any problems other than shake out some of the pretenders.
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03-20-2005, 08:11 PM

I think the husband is up to some shady stuff. He didn't recall about her wishes to be put to death until after he won the malpractice lawsuit. Also he has declined treatment and theropy that doctors have recommended since 1991. Plus vegetable or not dieing by starvation is cruel. This isn't like pulling the plug on a life support system. They will remove her feeding tube and she'll die from the starvation within a few days. That's cruel.

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03-20-2005, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

I would seriously love to discuss that with you.

I'll spare you, but a summary of my feelings on that.

Anything that either political party wants to do to regulate the online porn industry would pale in comparison to the negative effects of the democrats agenda.

I'm a corporation. The owner of this board is a corporation. The sponsors that send me money are corporations.

The liberal democrat agenda of spreading the wealth would require them to take money out of our pockets, waste a good bit in bureaucracy, then distribute whats left to people who are not our target market.

Its a loose-loose-loose for this industry.

At the same time, corporate innovation takes a big hit and our technology gets stale.

Its a bunch of problems, but basically neither party can regulate this industry to any problems other than shake out some of the pretenders.

God you buy the bullshit they feed you , the ones on the spending spree are your buddies the Republicans. The corporations here arent the ones they are protecting, these are small potatoes.They are not wasting your tax dollars on Terry who no one would give a shit about if it wasnt important to the presidents brother.

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03-20-2005, 08:12 PM

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That is not true, the Federal Government has restricted research to a paticular line of of existing stem cells, which has turned out to have a failure rate of more than 85% because most had already expired when they were issued for use.

The Federal Government has restricted tax payer funding to research limited to a certain line of stem cells. Private enterprise does not have any restrictions...they simply cannot receive government funding for stem cell research.

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03-20-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

I would seriously love to discuss that with you.

I'll spare you, but a summary of my feelings on that.

Anything that either political party wants to do to regulate the online porn industry would pale in comparison to the negative effects of the democrats agenda.

I'm a corporation. The owner of this board is a corporation. The sponsors that send me money are corporations.

The liberal democrat agenda of spreading the wealth would require them to take money out of our pockets, waste a good bit in bureaucracy, then distribute whats left to people who are not our target market.

Its a loose-loose-loose for this industry.

At the same time, corporate innovation takes a big hit and our technology gets stale.

Its a bunch of problems, but basically neither party can regulate this industry to any problems other than shake out some of the pretenders.

You are seriously the most misinformed person I have seen in a long time.

Not a thing in your post bares any sentiment of truth at all.

Because technoloy was so stale in the 90's when Clinton was President.
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03-20-2005, 08:15 PM

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monica, monica, monica........what a babe.......

but i think a good economy for one would be a starting point for the pro's in Clinton's favor....

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03-20-2005, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by tony404

God you buy the bullshit they feed you , the ones on the spending spree are your buddies the Republicans. The corporations here arent the ones they are protecting, these are small potatoes.They are not wasting your tax dollars on Terry who no one would give a shit about if it wasnt important to the presidents brother.

It feels like I'm arguing with a time machine.
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03-20-2005, 08:16 PM

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I think the husband is up to some shady stuff. He didn't recall about her wishes to be put to death until after he won the malpractice lawsuit. Also he has declined treatment and theropy that doctors have recommended since 1991. Plus vegetable or not dieing by starvation is cruel. This isn't like pulling the plug on a life support system. They will remove her feeding tube and she'll die from the starvation within a few days. That's cruel.

She will die of dehydration long before she dies of starvation...as she will be denied water and food. The Army's standard rule of thumb is 4-4-40...four minutes without air...4 days without water and 40 days without food.

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03-20-2005, 08:18 PM

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FunForOne ya never got back with me on this one......hummmm I guess Im right.....

No, I would like to know what Clinton did that caused that good economy.
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03-20-2005, 08:20 PM

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To update...the hearings going down party lines. Democrats against...Republicans in favor of the bill. That is one thing that just irritates the hell out of me. Partisanship seems to be stronger than ever before...at least in my lifetime.

Why are you surprised? This thing has been about nothing BUT politics since the beginning. Take a look at that GOP memo circulating around the house today, which talked about this being a great opportunity to appeal to the GOP pro-life base.

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03-20-2005, 08:21 PM

You guys should take note that the government has only limited funding to embryonic stem cell research not all stem cell research. Most people forget about adult stem cell research. Incidentally, adult stem cell research is more promising since the source of cells can be from the ill person themselves.

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03-20-2005, 08:22 PM

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No, I would like to know what Clinton did that caused that good economy.

Do you have any knowledge of the functions and policy decisions of the Executive Branch or any understanding of different economic formulas/theories (other than bullshit, we proved it doesn't work, "supply-side" economics)?

All of the answers to your question are there.
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03-20-2005, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

You guys should take note that the government has only limited funding to embryonic stem cell research not all stem cell research. Most people forget about adult stem cell research. Incidentally, adult stem cell research is more promising since the source of cells can be from the ill person themselves.

You are correct and private enterprise does not have any restrictions...that I am aware of...including embryonic stem cell research...other than the fact that they will not receive any goverment funds for their research.

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03-20-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

You guys should take note that the government has only limited funding to embryonic stem cell research not all stem cell research. Most people forget about adult stem cell research. Incidentally, adult stem cell research is more promising since the source of cells can be from the ill person themselves.

That is not true, most scientist are saying they need the embryonic stem cells to trace "things" (not technical I know) to their root. You cannot do that with adult stem cells, very little progress has been made using adult except for in a few instances where your correct about them being more useful.
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03-20-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by New User

Do you have any knowledge of the functions and policy decisions of the Executive Branch or any understanding of different economic formulas/theories (other than bullshit, we proved it doesn't work, "supply-side" economics)?

All of the answers to your question are there.

I'm quite sure that I have a better understanding of economics. Thanks for your advice anyway.
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03-20-2005, 08:35 PM

The debates are over and the voting is almost over and it is about a 3 to 1 margin in favor of the Republicans.

The over all vote as some Democrats voted with the Republicans is about 4 to 1 in favor.

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03-20-2005, 08:37 PM

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That is not true, most scientist are saying they need the embryonic stem cells to trace "things" (not technical I know) to their root. You cannot do that with adult stem cells, very little progress has been made using adult except for in a few instances where your correct about them being more useful.

There has been a lot of progress with adult stem cell research. http://www.lifeissues.org/cloningste...temsuccess.htm

Also I thought that the cut in funding was only in regards to the creation of new lines of embryonic stem cells. The government still funds research on existing lines, right?

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03-20-2005, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

I think the husband is up to some shady stuff. He didn't recall about her wishes to be put to death until after he won the malpractice lawsuit. Also he has declined treatment and theropy that doctors have recommended since 1991. Plus vegetable or not dieing by starvation is cruel. This isn't like pulling the plug on a life support system. They will remove her feeding tube and she'll die from the starvation within a few days. That's cruel.

I love the subtle (or not so subtle) semantics that is always involved in debates like this. The right uses prases 'put her to death' and 'kill her'. Nobody is KILLING her. They are simply LETTING her die on her own. The only reason her body is still functioning is because medical science has advanced to the point where it can keep her heart beating.

Maybe God wants her soul and we are standing in his way. How can people be so sure they KNOW what God wants? If heaven is suppose to he so great, why do religious people do everything they can to avoid getting there? If God really wanted her to stay alive, he would heal her, wouldn't he? Someone please explain that?

I also noticed that a lot of congressmen were saying things like 'her (Terri's) appeal was denied', implying that SHE was the one behind the litigation. It's her parents' case, not hers. She can't think. Her cerebral cortex is pudding.

Finally, the starvation argument does not fly. The part of her brain that causes her to feel pain is DEAD. If she can't feel pain, then starvation is not cruel. I agree, however, that this should not be the way she goes out. Doctors should be permitted to end her life humanely. We treat animals better than we treat people in this country.

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03-20-2005, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by POed-poster

I love the subtle (or not so subtle) semantics that is always involved in debates like this. The right uses prases 'put her to death' and 'kill her'. Nobody is KILLING her. They are simply LETTING her die on her own. The only reason her body is still functioning is because medical science has advanced to the point where it can keep her heart beating.

Maybe God wants her soul and we are standing in his way. How can people be so sure they KNOW what God wants? If heaven is suppose to he so great, why do religious people do everything they can to avoid getting there? If God really wanted her to stay alive, he would heal her, wouldn't he? Someone please explain that?

I also noticed that a lot of congressmen were saying things like 'her (Terri's) appeal was denied', implying that SHE was the one behind the litigation. It's her parents' case, not hers. She can't think. Her cerebral cortex is pudding.

Finally, the starvation argument does not fly. The part of her brain that causes her to feel pain is DEAD. If she can't feel pain, then starvation is not cruel. I agree, however, that this should not be the way she goes out. Doctors should be permitted to end her life humanely. We treat animals better than we treat people in this country.

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03-20-2005, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

There has been a lot of progress with adult stem cell research. http://www.lifeissues.org/cloningste...temsuccess.htm

Also I thought that the cut in funding was only in regards to the creation of new lines of embryonic stem cells. The government still funds research on existing lines, right?

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03-20-2005, 08:42 PM

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I think the husband is up to some shady stuff. He didn't recall about her wishes to be put to death until after he won the malpractice lawsuit. Also he has declined treatment and theropy that doctors have recommended since 1991. Plus vegetable or not dieing by starvation is cruel. This isn't like pulling the plug on a life support system. They will remove her feeding tube and she'll die from the starvation within a few days. That's cruel.

Did not know about the shady stuff, but yesterday on the news I heard she was put back on feeding tubes...and Bush would sign what ever.

The parents should have the right to keep their brain dead child living if monies were adwarded by a lawsuit. However, the husband should be able to get on with his life

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