Steroids A Cloud Over Baseball? Yes, But What About Football???

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  • Bansheelinks
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2003
    • 6023
    #1

    Steroids A Cloud Over Baseball? Yes, But What About Football???

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/...all/index.html

    They sure are going after baseball.........which obviously has a huge steroid problem.............which makes one wonder.........what about football? I bet its a million times worse in football.

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    • New User
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2005
      • 101
      #2
      The difference is football has always had very effective and strong testing procedures in place.

      Players get fined and suspended if they have the wrong type of asprin in their system for christ sakes.

      The NFL is VERY strict about it.

      They are making a big deal over baseball because it is the only pro sport that does not have a real testing/penalty system and by and large they take the attitude of turning a blind eye in favor of profits rather than keep the players from killing themselves.

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        • GatorB
          The Demon & 12clicks
          • Oct 2001
          • 18208
          #3
          Originally posted by Bansheelinks
          http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/...all/index.html

          They sure are going after baseball.........which obviously has a huge steroid problem.............which makes one wonder.........what about football? I bet its a million times worse in football.


          Unlike baseball football has had a pretty strong steriod policy in place for years. First offense is a 4 game suspension without pay which is eqivilant to 40 games in basbeall. In baseball their newer "stronger" punishment is 10 DAYS not games. So for example a pitcher may miss to 2 starts at most. Hell if a everyday player can manage to get suspended around the All Star game you may miss only a few games at most.

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            • Gator
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 1119
              #4
              This has been going on in baseball for over 10 years, and NOW they acknowledge there's a problem.

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                • Furious_Male
                  Doing the grind since 99
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 16884
                  #5
                  No comparison. As already stated the NFL has been on top of this for a long time. Baseball just looked the other way.
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                    • Rich
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11486
                      #6
                      Originally posted by GatorB
                      Unlike baseball football has had a pretty strong steriod policy in place for years. First offense is a 4 game suspension without pay which is eqivilant to 40 games in basbeall. In baseball their newer "stronger" punishment is 10 DAYS not games. So for example a pitcher may miss to 2 starts at most. Hell if a everyday player can manage to get suspended around the All Star game you may miss only a few games at most.
                      10 days in baseball can mean 6-8 games.

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                        • 69pornlinks
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                          • Mar 2003
                          • 5560
                          #7
                          hey? what about congress dealing with REAL issues....
                          It IS what it IS

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                            • Rich
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11486
                              #8
                              Originally posted by New User
                              The difference is football has always had very effective and strong testing procedures in place.

                              Players get fined and suspended if they have the wrong type of asprin in their system for christ sakes.

                              The NFL is VERY strict about it.

                              They are making a big deal over baseball because it is the only pro sport that does not have a real testing/penalty system and by and large they take the attitude of turning a blind eye in favor of profits rather than keep the players from killing themselves.
                              hmm, that's why Teddy Brushi had a stroke a week after the Superbowl. Sure they have artificial "tests" in place, but when's the last time you remember a player getting busted for roids?

                              IMO they should put the entire NE Patriots Defense in that hearing along with those baseball players.

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                                • Ysplease
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 100
                                  #9
                                  Many in baseball have turned a blind eye to what's going on. It's only until now that a desperate ex-player and former superstar put a mirror in front of those in the game to realize what's going on.

                                  The players' unions have so much power that the players can get off scott free without so much as a slap on the wrist. This is the power that they've fought for which could potentially cause their eventual health deterioration.

                                  There have been examples in the NFL of retired players dying early because of steroid related issues.

                                  We as fans, no doubt crave to see the long ball in baseball and see mighty home runs. Owners want to shell out big bucks to get the marquee sluggers.

                                  I think in the end if people like Bonds and McGwire are found guilty of using the stuff there should be asterisks by their records. The same could be said if baseball were to ever use aluminum bats (which I doubt would ever happen).
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                                    • GatorB
                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 18208
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                      10 days in baseball can mean 6-8 games.
                                      WOW 8 games out of 162. That's 5% of a season. As I said in football it's 1/4 of a season WITHOUT PAY.

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                                        • Rich
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 11486
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                          WOW 8 games out of 162. That's 5% of a season. As I said in football it's 1/4 of a season WITHOUT PAY.
                                          As I said, when was the last time anyone got suspended for that in football? Teddy Brushi had a steroid related stroke days after he won the Superbowl for his team, nothing's going to happen to him. In football the "strict" rules are just for show.

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                                            • New User
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                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 101
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                              hmm, that's why Teddy Brushi had a stroke a week after the Superbowl. Sure they have artificial "tests" in place, but when's the last time you remember a player getting busted for roids?

                                              IMO they should put the entire NE Patriots Defense in that hearing along with those baseball players.
                                              Seeing as how most of my life has been spent either playing or coaching football I consider myself to be very in tune with all current events surrounding the game.

                                              If you actually ever paid attention you would find a good many players being suspended and testing positive all the time, in-season and off-season. Do you actually expect it to make national headlines everytime it happens? Usually you'll see a small report about it on the teams website or hear a quick announcment with the explanation of why paticular players will not play in "x" amount of upcoming games as league rules state each team must make that information public out of fairness to opponents and media relations.

                                              I've had a stroke before and never taken any sort of "roid", but I suppose to someone with no medical training at all it could appear that the only way to have a stroke is if you take "roids"?

                                              Please Rich, I am used to your commentary usually being well thought out and well-informed, however this time you are WAY off the mark.

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                                                • Rich
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 11486
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by New User
                                                  Seeing as how most of my life has been spent either playing or coaching football I consider myself to be very in tune with all current events surrounding the game.

                                                  If you actually ever paid attention you would find a good many players being suspended and testing positive all the time, in-season and off-season. Do you actually expect it to make national headlines everytime it happens? Usually you'll see a small report about it on the teams website or hear a quick announcment with the explanation of why paticular players will not play in "x" amount of upcoming games as league rules state each team must make that information public out of fairness to opponents and media relations.

                                                  I've had a stroke before and never taken any sort of "roid", but I suppose to someone with no medical training at all it could appear that the only way to have a stroke is if you take "roids"?

                                                  Please Rich, I am used to your commentary usually being well thought out and well-informed, however this time you are WAY off the mark.
                                                  Ok, I may be a little biased again Brushi because he keeps beating my Colts, but you have to admit it looks suspect.

                                                  I healthy 30 year old having a stroke? Seems a little strange to me.

                                                  If there have been suspensions in the NFL for steroids, I haven't heard about them and I follow football fairly closely. There certainly haven't been any on the Colts. Have any stars been suspended for this in the past 5 years? Maybe I just missed it.

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                                                    • New User
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 101
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                                      Ok, I may be a little biased again Brushi because he keeps beating my Colts, but you have to admit it looks suspect.

                                                      I healthy 30 year old having a stroke? Seems a little strange to me.

                                                      If there have been suspensions in the NFL for steroids, I haven't heard about them and I follow football fairly closely. There certainly haven't been any on the Colts. Have any stars been suspended for this in the past 5 years? Maybe I just missed it.
                                                      Ya the Colts will never win anything because of Manning's salary, they can't afford to pay good defensive players, you can't win the Superbowl win you score 50 points a game and give up 51.

                                                      I am a very healthy 27 year old (was 26 at the time) with excellent blood pressure, low cholesterol, good heart, I exercise for at least an hour a day and take good care of myself and I had a stroke from exhaustion last summer. It would not be out of the realm of unordinary for someone with as crazy a schedule as playing in the Superbowl after going through a long rough season, (beating the Colts twice ) special appearances and raising several young kids to be somewhat exhausted and maybe overstressed and overworked. Not to mention if I remember correctly the actual first reports said he was also suffering from a case sever flu at the time.

                                                      And yes players are suspended for all types of substance abuse at a pretty alarming rate. Most of the time you have to go through the league sources to actually find out the nature of substance, not something they like to advertise obviously, but sometimes the teams will be forthcoming as to if its steroid or other drug related. I honestly don't remember going a week this past season without hearing someone being suspended for something or other, but as I mentioned before they will literally suspend you for even the slightest trace of something illegal (illegal in the NFL is also very strict, you can be suspended for taking some suppliments you can buy right off the shelf at the grocery store).

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                                                        • Young
                                                          Bland for life
                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                          • 10468
                                                          #15
                                                          The NFL has the toughest drug testing policy out of every professional league. If you do them...chances are your going to get caught. They even save samples so if a drug comes out that wasn't once detected...they will go back and test for that drug. Just ask Bill Romanowski or David Boston.
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                                                            • Young
                                                              Bland for life
                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                              • 10468
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                                              As I said, when was the last time anyone got suspended for that in football? Teddy Brushi had a steroid related stroke days after he won the Superbowl for his team, nothing's going to happen to him. In football the "strict" rules are just for show.
                                                              Who the fuck told you it was a steroid related stroke do you have some inside info????? I live in Boston and read all the major newspapers (Herald, Globe), I listen to the number 1 rated sports talk in the nation (WEEI) and yet I've never heard this crazy shit your throwing out there.
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                                                                • Young
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                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                  • 10468
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Bruschi has a whole in his heart. Thats what caused the stroke...the colts will forever suck.
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                                                                    • Bansheelinks
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 6023
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Young
                                                                      Bruschi has a whole in his heart. Thats what caused the stroke...the colts will forever suck.
                                                                      come on now, the Colts don't suck..........they're a good team and an incredible offense..........Manning just has the wizard in his head, Gandalf Belichick, and can't overcome his scheming defense.

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                                                                        • Bansheelinks
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                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                          • 6023
                                                                          #19
                                                                          additionally, players and the masking agents are always ahead of testing procedures for steroids, HGH, etc.

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                                                                            • GatorB
                                                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 18208
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                                                              Ok, I may be a little biased again Brushi because he keeps beating my Colts, but you have to admit it looks suspect.
                                                                              If your Colts can't beat the Pats it's the COLTS fault. Let em tell you as a Bucs fan that as long as Dungy is your coach you'll win 10-12 games every year, but lose in the playoffs in games that REALLY mean something.

                                                                              I healthy 30 year old having a stroke? Seems a little strange to me.
                                                                              Michael J Fox got Parkinsons at 30. That's even more unlikely. I guess Fox must have been using steroids.

                                                                              If there have been suspensions in the NFL for steroids, I haven't heard about them and I follow football fairly closely. There certainly haven't been any on the Colts. Have any stars been suspended for this in the past 5 years? Maybe I just missed it.
                                                                              Not many are suspended because most players know they will be tested and aren't retarded enough to use them. As far as recently, David Boston was suspened in Dec for steriods.

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                                                                                • Young
                                                                                  Bland for life
                                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                                  • 10468
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Bansheelinks
                                                                                  come on now, the Colts don't suck..........they're a good team and an incredible offense..........Manning just has the wizard in his head, Gandalf Belichick, and can't overcome his scheming defense.
                                                                                  As long as money is tied up in Manning, James, and Harrison...the colts aren't going anywhere. The bigger Wayne gets the more money he is eventually going to demand. They are 10 years away from a Super Bowl.....sorry.
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                                                                                    • Young
                                                                                      Bland for life
                                                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                                                      • 10468
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Masking agents hog wash. NFL players dont' test positive because they are smart enough to not try and test the system. The NFL has a pretty squeaky image (besides the occasional wife beating and murder). Think about it...what other sport do you know that a thousand 240lb plus muscle bound players can get by without any steroid questions?
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                                                                                        • New User
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 101
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                          As far as recently, David Boston was suspened in Dec for steriods.
                                                                                          And his dad is an NFL official and has been for more than a decade, don't tell me the NFL isn't tough about this stuff.

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                                                                                            • Gator
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                              • 1119
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                              hmm, that's why Teddy Brushi had a stroke a week after the Superbowl. Sure they have artificial "tests" in place, but when's the last time you remember a player getting busted for roids?

                                                                                              IMO they should put the entire NE Patriots Defense in that hearing along with those baseball players.
                                                                                              A little bitter are we?

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                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                  BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 11913
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by New User
                                                                                                  The difference is football has always had very effective and strong testing procedures in place.

                                                                                                  Players get fined and suspended if they have the wrong type of asprin in their system for christ sakes.

                                                                                                  The NFL is VERY strict about it.

                                                                                                  They are making a big deal over baseball because it is the only pro sport that does not have a real testing/penalty system and by and large they take the attitude of turning a blind eye in favor of profits rather than keep the players from killing themselves.
                                                                                                  95% of college and pro football players are using a wide variety of anabolic steroids, testosterones, growth hormone, prohormones (now illegal) and god only knows what other drugs to increase muscle mass and physical performance.

                                                                                                  do you really think that in a billion dollar business that is 100% dependent on the players using anabolic steroids that there is fair and objective testing and no one can go around it? that its not really in anyones interest to see that players get around testing?

                                                                                                  the players get busted constantly for steroid use.

                                                                                                  baseball is a target simply because out of the blue, people began breaking records that existed for decades, McGuire brought prohormones to the public light which were made illegal a month or two ago, people are getting busted steroids in baseball right now, people are admitting steroid use, players are point the fingers at others and have basically created a situation that demands attention... and change. its about politics, not sports or health issues.
                                                                                                  Last edited by Pleasurepays; 03-17-2005, 07:13 PM.

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