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06-19-2006, 09:29 AM

if you go to JayMan's Free Hosted Blogs and you use your ref code for Raven Riley's website:

http://www.ravensdiary.com/MTA1OjM6MQ/

there you wil find links to banginbecky, cumoncandi and katvixen using that same "ref code" ins tead of using the proper link code that should be
banginbecky -> MTA1OjM6Mg
cumoncandi -> MTA1OjM6NA
katvixen -> MTA1OjM6Nw

my question is:
if it happens that I make a sale from those "mistaken" ref codes will I get credited for them? or is that simply the easiest way to SHAVE from affiliates using NATS?

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06-19-2006, 09:31 AM

Did you ask them about it first? Chances are GOOD those are your linking codes.

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06-19-2006, 09:32 AM

Yes you will get the credit, nats converts the code correctly
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06-19-2006, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Pete-KT

Yes you will get the credit, nats converts the code correctly

so why does it generate diferent linking codes?
this is so stupid, don't you agree?

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06-19-2006, 09:38 AM

yeh it seems pointless.

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06-19-2006, 09:39 AM

Every time you produce a linking code and choose a different site, program, and campaign, the nats code will be different for each. That would be why they are different.

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06-19-2006, 09:46 AM

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Every time you produce a linking code and choose a different site, program, and campaign, the nats code will be different for each. That would be why they are different.

for diferent campaigns and programs I see a reason for diferent linking codes....I just dont get why it generates diferent linking codes if you are using the same campaing and the same program, but a diferent website....it is completly pointless!!!

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06-19-2006, 09:59 AM

It isn't pointless, it's just stupid. First, NATS offers both types of codes, encoded and un-encoded. Unfortunately, NATS didn't come out with un-encoded URLS until later, so many of us still use encoded URLS.

The URL though, if you will notice is the same for every tour. The linking code redirects to the proper tour. Most programs give you links that goes directly to the tour. The difference, NATS tracks more hits than most programs because NATS tracks the hit the second the link is clicked, even if the visitor never sees the tour.

Back on subject.. Now if the program set the hosted galleries up correctly, you should be able to send hits through the un-encoded URLs and the links to the other tours will rebuild showing your username. To get un-encoded URLS, just hit the ad tools menu, after your linking codes are displayed click the un-encoded link to show the other URLS.

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06-19-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

for diferent campaigns and programs I see a reason for diferent linking codes....I just dont get why it generates diferent linking codes if you are using the same campaing and the same program, but a diferent website....it is completly pointless!!!

Hi guys.
I'm behind all the programming for this blog tool.
As pointed out, we use NATS' strack feature to rewrite your linking codes to track on the other sites.

Pornpf69 - I'd have to counter that they're useless. Having different codes for each site is the very reason you can track stats accurately within NATS.
Even in this example - when we rewrite the tracking ID, we flag it so it will count as a true hit in your statistics.

Incidently - We have dedicated support staff, via email, ICQ and forums. It'll probably save you a heap of time in the future to try that option first!

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06-19-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

my question is:
if it happens that I make a sale from those "mistaken" ref codes will I get credited for them? or is that simply the easiest way to SHAVE from affiliates using NATS?

My answer would be find another sponsor asshat, Jay runs a topnotch program and works hard to treat affiliates as best he can!

You more or less accusing him of trying to fuck you is just wrong...

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06-19-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Wizzo

My answer would be find another sponsor asshat, Jay runs a topnotch program and works hard to treat affiliates as best he can!

You more or less accusing him of trying to fuck you is just wrong...

1st of all I am not accusing anyone! that was a legit question!
and if you are offend by that call JayMan and tell him about this thread (which I think you already did) -the question was not about JayMAn Cash, que question is about NATS....but I used them as an example!

and this certainly got some atention for them!!

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06-19-2006, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Wizzo

My answer would be find another sponsor asshat, Jay runs a topnotch program and works hard to treat affiliates as best he can!

You more or less accusing him of trying to fuck you is just wrong...

1st of all I am not accusing anyone! that was a legit question!
and if you are offend by that call JayMan and tell him about this thread (which I think you already did) -the question was not about JayMAn Cash, que question is about NATS....but I used them as an example!

and this certainly got some atention for them!!

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06-19-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Wizzo

My answer would be find another sponsor asshat, Jay runs a topnotch program and works hard to treat affiliates as best he can!

You more or less accusing him of trying to fuck you is just wrong...

NATS says that sponsors using their system can't shave...that is why I asked that question!
and please watch your mouth!! I am no asshat, you sissy!!

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06-19-2006, 10:35 AM

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Pornpf69 - I'd have to counter that they're useless. Having different codes for each site is the very reason you can track stats accurately within NATS.
Even in this example - when we rewrite the tracking ID, we flag it so it will count as a true hit in your statistics.

dont you agree that that is the reason why we create campaings?
campaings are a good way to track the stats accurately, aren't them?

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06-19-2006, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

dont you agree that that is the reason why we create campaings?
campaings are a good way to track the stats accurately, aren't them?

Campaigns are useful for tracking certain.. campaigns, but do not replace the need for individual site linking.

For example, I have the following campaigns:

Default:
Streaming Video:
Search Engine:

If I could only link by campaigns, I would have no way of telling which site got what traffic, and from where.

If you dont use campaigns etc, then they may seem redundant. From my experience, they're a good system.

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06-19-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

NATS says that sponsors using their system can't shave...that is why I asked that question!
and please watch your mouth!! I am no asshat, you sissy!!

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06-19-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Campaigns are useful for tracking certain.. campaigns, but do not replace the need for individual site linking.

For example, I have the following campaigns:

Default:
Streaming Video:
Search Engine:

If I could only link by campaigns, I would have no way of telling which site got what traffic, and from where.

If you dont use campaigns etc, then they may seem redundant. From my experience, they're a good system.

for that all you needed to do is creat a compaign for each of the sites.....instead of a generic one.....but I got your point...

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06-19-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

for that all you needed to do is creat a compaign for each of the sites.....instead of a generic one.....but I got your point...

No, I don't think you do
By creating a campaign for every site.. you
#1 - Lose the ability to track multiple sites under one campaign
#2 - Are tracking each site individually.. which is exactly what NATS does for you, and exactly what you said was useless

Like I say - I'll be more than happy to help you out on ICQ or email, or on our support forums for any more assistance.

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06-19-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Hi guys.
I'm behind all the programming for this blog tool.
As pointed out, we use NATS' strack feature to rewrite your linking codes to track on the other sites.

Pornpf69 - I'd have to counter that they're useless. Having different codes for each site is the very reason you can track stats accurately within NATS.
Even in this example - when we rewrite the tracking ID, we flag it so it will count as a true hit in your statistics.

Incidently - We have dedicated support staff, via email, ICQ and forums. It'll probably save you a heap of time in the future to try that option first!

If you have any more questions, feel free to ICQ me!

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06-19-2006, 10:54 AM

why dont you ask jayman?
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06-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

No, I don't think you do
By creating a campaign for every site.. you
#1 - Lose the ability to track multiple sites under one campaign
#2 - Are tracking each site individually.. which is exactly what NATS does for you, and exactly what you said was useless

Like I say - I'll be more than happy to help you out on ICQ or email, or on our support forums for any more assistance.

there is no need for that, as I think that most of my qestions were already solved ;)
thx and sorry if I caused any kind of mess!

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06-19-2006, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by I'm a sig whore

why dont you ask jayman?

Chances are, he'll point the thread to me

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06-19-2006, 10:57 AM

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why dont you ask jayman?

because I already got my answer....it was not specifcally about jayman....but that was the first site that came to my mind right now....as I am working with their stuff on my new site...

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06-19-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Wizzo

My answer would be find another sponsor asshat, Jay runs a topnotch program and works hard to treat affiliates as best he can!

You more or less accusing him of trying to fuck you is just wrong...

yes, I admit that my 1st post seemed that I was waking JMC if they were shaving (but I didnt accuse anyone) - but I only saw it like that after re-reading it!!

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06-19-2006, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

yes, I admit that my 1st post seemed that I was waking JMC if they were shaving (but I didnt accuse anyone) - but I only saw it like that after re-reading it!!

Just as a final FYI - you can't actually use this feature to shave.

If, you example, you use a Raven Riley code in a Kat Vixen linking code - ie
http://join.katvixen.com/track/NjQ4OjM6MQ/ - It will take the surfer to Raven Riley.

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06-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Just as a final FYI - you can't actually use this feature to shave.

If, you example, you use a Raven Riley code in a Kat Vixen linking code - ie
http://join.katvixen.com/track/NjQ4OjM6MQ/ - It will take the surfer to Raven Riley.

I just noted that when you click on those links with the "wrong linking codes" you will go to the page with the proper linking codes (on the POTD links)

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06-19-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by pornpf69

I just noted that when you click on those links with the "wrong linking codes" you will go to the page with the proper linking codes (on the POTD links)

Right, as I mentioned above, we use STRACKS on the POTD, to ensure your one link code will get changed to any site your surfer might click on.

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06-19-2006, 02:58 PM

Everything quantum-x said is correct... and they use strack to convert linking codes for site A to linking codes for site B.

And, a different code for different sites makes sense, it is not "stupid" or "pointless". The reason they exist is that NATS has to handle the join forms and tracking for all sites, not just for one. So, it needs to know which site it is supposed to handle right now. Of course now everyone is going to say "but you know that domain"... and yes, you are correct, we know the domain. But using the domain to lookup which site it is (especially because it can have subdomains and such) is considerably slower than using a numeric id, which we deceided to do when we started NATS.

The unencoded linkcodes still use small strings to identify them which does not have a big overhead on top of the normal numeric id.

Hope this explains it.

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06-19-2006, 03:01 PM

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