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  • Rich
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jan 2003
    • 11486

    #101
    Originally posted by 12clicks
    hahaha, you better edit out the lie that "hundreds of thousands of families go bankrupt in America over healthcare"
    How have you lived so long with absolutly no understand of the world around you? It's as if you live in a fantasy world.

    I guess that's just another one of my "America hating" lies, huh Ron?


    I know you can't read more than one sentance at a time, but try real hard this time. Doing that will help you look stupid less often in the future.

    Medical bills make up half of bankruptcies
    Study finds most bankruptcy filers had health
    insurance


    The Associated Press
    Updated: 7:43 a.m. ET Feb. 2, 2005


    BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
    personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
    bankrupt because of medical problems have health
    insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
    University study to be released Wednesday.

    Researchers from Harvard?s law and medical schools
    said the findings underscore the inadequacy of many
    private insurance plans that offer worst-case
    catastrophic coverage, but little financial security
    for less severe illnesses.

    ?Unless you?re Bill Gates, you?re just one serious
    illness away from bankruptcy,? said Dr. David
    Himmelstein, the study?s lead author and an associate
    professor of medicine. ?Most of the medically bankrupt
    were average Americans who happened to get sick.?

    The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
    journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
    1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
    Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. That
    year, there were 1.46 million personal bankruptcies in
    the United States.

    More than 900 of those questioned underwent more
    detailed interviews about their financial and medical
    circumstances for what the authors say is the first
    in-depth study of medical causes of personal
    bankruptcies, which have risen rapidly in recent
    years.

    Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
    least in part, for 46.2 percent of the personal
    bankruptcies in the study. Himmelstein said the figure
    rose to 54.5 percent when three other factors were
    counted as medical-related triggers for bankruptcies:
    births, deaths and pathological gambling addiction.

    The study estimates medical-caused bankruptcies affect
    about 2 million Americans each year, counting debtors
    and their dependents, including 700,000 children.

    Most were insured
    Most of those seeking court protection from creditors
    had health insurance, with more than three-quarters
    reporting they had coverage at the start of the
    illness that triggered bankruptcy. The study said 38
    percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the
    time they filed for bankruptcy, with illness
    frequently leading to the loss of both a job and
    insurance.

    Out-of-pocket medical expenses covering co-payments,
    deductibles and uncovered health services averaged
    $13,460 for bankruptcy filers who had private
    insurance at the onset of illness, compared with
    $10,893 for those without coverage. Those who
    initially had private coverage but lost it during
    their illness faced the highest cost, an average of
    $18,005.

    ?We need to rethink health reform,? said Dr. Steffie
    Woolhandler, a study co-author and associate professor
    of medicine at Cambridge-based Harvard. ?Covering the
    uninsured isn?t enough. We also must upgrade and
    guarantee continuous coverage for those who have
    insurance.?

    Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America?s Health
    Insurance Plans, representing nearly 1,300 health
    insurance providers, said the study did not adequately
    explore the role that disability income protection
    plans and personal savings can play in helping someone
    with a medical problem avoid bankruptcy.

    ?It?s very important to ask questions about what the
    financial stressors are for American families, but we
    don?t think this study digs deeply enough,? Pisano
    said.

    Middle-class hit hard
    The findings indicate medical-related bankruptcies hit
    middle-class families hard ? 56 percent of the filers
    owned a home, and the same number had attended
    college.

    ?Families with coverage faced unaffordable
    co-payments, deductibles and bills for uncovered items
    like physical therapy, psychiatric care and
    prescription drugs,? Himmelstein said.

    The study, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson
    Foundation, did not examine how many bankruptcy filers
    were from dual-income families where both partners had
    insurance, Himmelstein said.

    Jeff Morris, resident scholar at the American
    Bankruptcy Institute, founded by Congress in 1982 to
    analyze bankruptcy trends, said the Harvard findings
    roughly mirror those of a 1996 ABI study in which 57
    percent of bankruptcy filers cited medical problems as
    a primary bankruptcy cause. Respondents in that study
    were more likely to cite three other factors as
    primary causes, including easy access to credit, job
    loss and financial mismanagement.

    Morris said he was aware of no data indicating that
    the Harvard study, which was based on 2001 bankruptcy
    filings, does not accurately reflect current trends in
    medical-related bankruptcies.

    ?Medical coverage is becoming more for catastrophic
    loss than for intermediate expenses,? Morris said.

    I guess I was lying because I didn't say MANY hundreds of thousands?

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    • 12clicks
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jan 2001
      • 19814

      #102
      Originally posted by Rich
      I've seen him on CNN many times.



      Explain to us again how I'm wrong, oh wize one.

      The only person who looks stupid in this thread is you. You can tell by the fact that the only person argeeing with you, is Pathfinder.
      dear moron, I've seen jerry springer on CNN many times as well, doesn't make him an employee or comentator *of* CNNs.

      He's a freelance commentator that anyone was free to use or not at their discretion.

      but you keep pretending he's a CNN commentator.

      and as an aside, this article is NOT abour Mr. Williams, nor is the argument.
      I told you to read the article. did you?
      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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      • theking
        Nice Kitty
        • Sep 2002
        • 21053

        #103
        Originally posted by Rich
        I've seen him on CNN many times.



        Explain to us again how I'm wrong, oh wize one.

        The only person who looks stupid in this thread is you. You can tell by the fact that the only person argeeing with you, is Pathfinder.
        Oh you with the wee little brain...Richy boy. Try this on for size...I have seen alot of different people on CNN many times as guests...and guess what...this does not qualify them as being CNN commentators. You lied when you said "CNN commentators"...just that simple...but the voices in your head...you know...the ones that tell you that you have three degrees and own three of the largest casinos on the net...tell you never to admit that you are a liar.
        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

        FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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        • Rich
          So Fucking Banned
          • Jan 2003
          • 11486

          #104
          hmm, so, now you've been caught lying about my lying twice in a row. Let's see how many smilie faces and insults about Canadians it takes to make you feel you've made up for your stupidity on this one. I'm guess 7 laughing faces and 4 Canadian insults, this thread is pretty ugly for old 12dicks.

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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19814

            #105
            Originally posted by Rich
            How have you lived so long with absolutly no understand of the world around you? It's as if you live in a fantasy world.

            I guess that's just another one of my "America hating" lies, huh Ron?


            I know you can't read more than one sentance at a time, but try real hard this time. Doing that will help you look stupid less often in the future.




            I guess I was lying because I didn't say MANY hundreds of thousands?
            hahahaha, no wonder you believe you've got it good in canada.

            here are the key parts to that study, child:

            """Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
            least in part,"""

            """The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
            journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
            1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
            Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas."""


            I'm yes, it was my illness that caused my bankruptcy, not my idiotic spending.

            you own swamp land don't you richie?
            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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            • xxxdesign-net
              My hips don't lie
              • Nov 2002
              • 10129

              #106
              Originally posted by 12clicks
              and this somehow makes you credible when talkinga bout the US?

              how funny.
              son, I don't think you understand how funny I find it that every day threads are started and perpetuated by jealous, loser, canadians about how bad the US is.

              compared to what????
              credible when talkinga bout the US? On what planet are you? LOL If an English teacher tells you 2+2=4... you cant comeback saying what you are saying is worthless because you arent credible... I dont need any "credibility" to say what I said... But nice try.. you might have fooled some of you followers.. lol

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              • 12clicks
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2001
                • 19814

                #107
                Originally posted by Rich
                hmm, so, now you've been caught lying about my lying twice in a row. Let's see how many smilie faces and insults about Canadians it takes to make you feel you've made up for your stupidity on this one. I'm guess 7 laughing faces and 4 Canadian insults, this thread is pretty ugly for old 12dicks.
                dude, your wife isn't here. no one but her thinks you're right.

                when you're not lying, you're an idiot.
                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                • Rich
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11486

                  #108
                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                  dear moron, I've seen jerry springer on CNN many times as well, doesn't make him an employee or comentator *of* CNNs.

                  He's a freelance commentator that anyone was free to use or not at their discretion.

                  but you keep pretending he's a CNN commentator.

                  and as an aside, this article is NOT abour Mr. Williams, nor is the argument.
                  I told you to read the article. did you?
                  ahahaha, trying to win an argument with semantics is easier if you understand what semantics are.

                  CNN paid this guy to go on the air and talk about issues. He's not a guest like Jerry Springer, he's a journalist. That makes him a commentator, although I guess the fact that he doesn't work for CNN full time makes a difference in your mind. The point is, is doesn't fucking matter what venue these people are doing it on, they're being paid to promote the government's agenda. CNN, talk radio, newspapers, it doesn't matter. He went on CNN, paid by the government, and talked up Bush's policies. I'm right, you're wrong, get over it. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

                  But hey, at least Pathfinder agrees with you. We all know how not crazy he is.

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                  • 12clicks
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 19814

                    #109
                    Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                    I dont need any "credibility" to say what I said...
                    lucky for you.
                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                    • Rich
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11486

                      #110
                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                      hahahaha, no wonder you believe you've got it good in canada.

                      here are the key parts to that study, child:

                      """Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
                      least in part,"""

                      """The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
                      journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
                      1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
                      Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas."""


                      I'm yes, it was my illness that caused my bankruptcy, not my idiotic spending.

                      you own swamp land don't you richie?
                      What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

                      Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

                      Tell me again how I'm wrong?

                      Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

                      I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.
                      Last edited by Rich; 03-14-2005, 12:32 PM.

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                      • 12clicks
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 19814

                        #111
                        Originally posted by Rich
                        ahahaha, trying to win an argument with semantics is easier if you understand what semantics are.

                        CNN paid this guy to go on the air and talk about issues. He's not a guest like Jerry Springer, he's a journalist. That makes him a commentator, although I guess the fact that he doesn't work for CNN full time makes a difference in your mind. The point is, is doesn't fucking matter what venue these people are doing it on, they're being paid to promote the government's agenda. CNN, talk radio, newspapers, it doesn't matter. He went on CNN, paid by the government, and talked up Bush's policies. I'm right, you're wrong, get over it. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

                        But hey, at least Pathfinder agrees with you. We all know how not crazy he is.
                        hahahah, if it gets you thru the day believe it.
                        you started with "fake" stories, moved onto "CNN commentators" and threw in some other shit about the government somehow tricking people. sadly, none of it is true.
                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                        • Rich
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11486

                          #112
                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                          hahahah, if it gets you thru the day believe it.
                          you started with "fake" stories, moved onto "CNN commentators" and threw in some other shit about the government somehow tricking people. sadly, none of it is true.
                          You have a sad, warped vision of reality. Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake. Yes, the government paid a guy hundreds of thousands to go on CNN and talk up a government program, but he's not a commentator (so somehow it's ok??).

                          Like I said, I have no idea how you've made it so far in life with such low mental capacity. I though natural selection was supposed to weed out people like you in childhood.

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                          • theking
                            Nice Kitty
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 21053

                            #113
                            Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
                            personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
                            bankrupt because of medical problems have health
                            insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
                            University study to be released Wednesday.
                            Hmm...people that have a "costly illness" are not usually able to produce income...thus the illness triggers bankruptcy...even though they have "health insurance". Damn I am shocked...Richy boy...but then again...before you edited your post...you were lying about the actual facts. Of course those voices in your head...you know the same ones that tell you that you have three degrees and own three of the largest casinos on the net...when in fact you merely own a mediocre AVS...will never allow you to admit to lying...now will they...Richy boy?
                            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                            FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                            • 12clicks
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 19814

                              #114
                              Originally posted by Rich
                              What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

                              Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

                              Tell me again how I'm wrong?
                              The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
                              journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
                              1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
                              Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. That
                              year, there were 1.46 million personal bankruptcies in
                              the United States.

                              Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
                              least in part, for 46.2 percent of the personal
                              bankruptcies in the study. Himmelstein said the figure
                              rose to 54.5 percent when three other factors were
                              counted as medical-related triggers for bankruptcies:
                              births, deaths and pathological gambling addiction.


                              I see less than 50% of 1771 bankruptcies caused by medical issues until you add in "pathological gambling addiction."
                              no wonder you're so gullible with other stuff, you're unable to see how a poll is twisted for a desired effect (think john kerry, pre election)
                              Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

                              Originally posted by Rich
                              I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.
                              No, its to look at all the bankruptcy records (not just 1771 of them) and find out the answers.

                              you see under 2000 and accept an extrapolation into the millions?
                              typical.
                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                              • Rich
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11486

                                #115
                                Yes I do, that's how studies work 12clicks, it's called the law of averages. That's why the AP also "accepts" it, as does everyone else on the face of the earth with common sense and some form of diploma.

                                Again, that's the type of thing normal people learn in the 10th grade.


                                Last edited by Rich; 03-14-2005, 12:43 PM.

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                                • 12clicks
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 19814

                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by Rich
                                  They are fake. They pretend to be news stories, but they're not
                                  Originally posted by Rich
                                  Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake.
                                  you can only backpeddle so far, halfwit before you end up calling yourself a liar.

                                  I'm pretty sure I'm done here. keep arguing with yourself halfwit, I love it!
                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                  • theking
                                    Nice Kitty
                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 21053

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by Rich
                                    What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

                                    Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

                                    Tell me again how I'm wrong?

                                    Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

                                    I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.
                                    You are wrong.

                                    Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
                                    personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
                                    bankrupt because of medical problems have health
                                    insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
                                    University study to be released Wednesday.


                                    It is not the medical bills that trigger a bankruptcy...it is the illness. Sick people do not usually produce income. Payments can be made on any medical bill...but without income...medical bills or any other type of bill cannot be paid. Some insurances do provide a temporary income...and one can aquire other types of temporay income...un-employment insurance...State disability insurance...SS disability insurance...etc. But these temporary incomes are not usually enough to meet all financial obligations...thus there comes a point of bankruptcy. No need to thank me for educating you...Richy boy.
                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                    FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                    • xxxdesign-net
                                      My hips don't lie
                                      • Nov 2002
                                      • 10129

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                      lucky for you.

                                      *12clicks OWNED me in his own mind*


                                      Just like he OWNED Einstein..

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                                      • ADL Colin
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Feb 2001
                                        • 11929

                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                        Just like he OWNED Einstein..
                                        That is an all-time classic thread.


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                                        • 12clicks
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 19814

                                          #120
                                          wait, wait. I can dumb it down more for this moron.
                                          Originally posted by Rich
                                          They are fake.
                                          Originally posted by Rich
                                          they're not fake.

                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                            My hips don't lie
                                            • Nov 2002
                                            • 10129

                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                            That is an all-time classic thread.
                                            Indeed.. I think 12clicks was drunk that night...(i hope) I wont be posting the thread.. Out of Respect..

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                                            • Rich
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 11486

                                              #122
                                              Backpedal? Where did I backpedal? I've said the same thing all along, backed it up, and explained it to you over and over again.

                                              That, "but no, they're not fake" line was sarcastic, mimicking you. It's pretty sad that you have to chop up a paragraph to try to make a point, but I suspect that's your way of attempting to leave a thread with some bit of dignity. Don't worry Ron, I'll let you go. I've taught you enough lessons for today.

                                              BTW here's the entire post, in which anyone with a brain can see where I'm insulting you. Of course news stories made by the government are fake, only you could somehow say they aren't.

                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                              You have a sad, warped vision of reality. Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake. Yes, the government paid a guy hundreds of thousands to go on CNN and talk up a government program, but he's not a commentator (so somehow it's ok??).

                                              To sum up Ron's points in this thread; the government making news stories and then pawning them off as created by the networks is not fake. Armstrong Williams did not work for CNN. Hundreds of thousands of people DO NOT go bankrupt every year in the USA due to medical bills. And lastly, the law of averages does not exist.

                                              You should seriously consider becoming a college professor or something.

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                                              • Rich
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jan 2003
                                                • 11486

                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by Almighty Colin
                                                That is an all-time classic thread.
                                                I missed that one, hook me up with a link if you have it please.

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                                                • Rich
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 11486

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                  Indeed.. I think 12clicks was drunk that night...(i hope) I wont be posting the thread.. Out of Respect..
                                                  Pretty please?

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                                                  • 12clicks
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 19814

                                                    #125
                                                    to sum up rich's points in this thread

                                                    Originally posted by Rich
                                                    They are fake
                                                    Originally posted by Rich
                                                    They're not fake
                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                    • theking
                                                      Nice Kitty
                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 21053

                                                      #126
                                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                                      Backpedal? Where did I backpedal? I've said the same thing all along, backed it up, and explained it to you over and over again.
                                                      Thru out the thread...Richy boy.

                                                      BTW here's the entire post, in which anyone with a brain can see where I'm insulting you. Of course news stories made by the government are fake, only you could somehow say they aren't.
                                                      "news stories"/reports prepared by the government are not necessarily "fake"/untrue and "news stories"/reports prepared by the government are in fact news.

                                                      To sum up Ron's points in this thread; the government making news stories and then pawning them off as created by the networks is not fake.
                                                      They are not pawned off to the networks as being created by the networks...the networks are made aware by the government who they were prepared by.

                                                      It is apparent that some media outlets do allow the public to believe that the "news story"/report was prepared by them and not the government. But I have seen some media state up front that the "news story"/report was prepared by the government

                                                      Armstrong Williams did not work for CNN.
                                                      No Armstrong Williams is not an employee of CNN. Armstrong Williams is a talk radio jock and was apparently paid to push a government program on his radio show. This is not to say that he did not appear on other shows and push the program.

                                                      Hundreds of thousands of people DO NOT go bankrupt every year in the USA due to medical bills. And lastly, the law of averages does not exist.
                                                      Illness triggers thousands of bankruptcies and of course medical bills become a part of that bankruptcy.

                                                      You should seriously consider becoming a college professor or something.
                                                      No need to thank me for educating you...Richy boy.
                                                      When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                      FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                      • theking
                                                        Nice Kitty
                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 21053

                                                        #127
                                                        BTW...Richy boy...feel free to go off into your dark bedroom and let the voices in your head...fill you with more bullshit...and come back a post some more lies.
                                                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                        FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                        • Rich
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                          • 11486

                                                          #128
                                                          So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

                                                          Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

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                                                          • theking
                                                            Nice Kitty
                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                            • 21053

                                                            #129
                                                            Originally posted by Rich
                                                            So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

                                                            Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.
                                                            He made you to be the fool that you are...but then again that is not a big accomplishment...as it is easy to do. Heading for the darkened bedroom soon...Richy boy?
                                                            When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                            FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                            • theking
                                                              Nice Kitty
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 21053

                                                              #130
                                                              BTW...I am leaving too...as me and the dogs are going to the beach...thanks for entertaining me today...Richy boy.
                                                              When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                              • rambler
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                • 745

                                                                #131
                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                to sum up rich's points in this thread
                                                                Do you ever win any arguements, 12clicks??

                                                                Fuck, you looked real bad in this one.

                                                                ...and having theking trying to save your ass (fucking classic)

                                                                ...then trying to take Rich's words out of context ... only an IDIOT wouldn't be able see that (and only an ABSOLUTE IDIOT would try that on an uneditable message board )

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                                                                • directfiesta
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 30195

                                                                  #132
                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                  • Smut
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 654

                                                                    #133

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                                                                    • hershie
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                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                      • 4642

                                                                      #134
                                                                      U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

                                                                      "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

                                                                      I don't think it is too much of a stretch to envision a time when the gov't takes the practices they are doing in the article and slowly builds them up to a point that they are the dominant producers of the very news and information Americans are getting. This means real restriction of free thought if your news is gov't propoganda to make you follow their policies benignly. How clearer can this most dangerous of threats to democracy be.

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                                                                      • 12clicks
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 19814

                                                                        #135
                                                                        Originally posted by Rich
                                                                        So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

                                                                        Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

                                                                        ahahahaha, I love these west coast losers "winning the argument" because I go home.
                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                        • hershie
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                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                          • 4642

                                                                          #136
                                                                          Thomas Jefferson, 1786

                                                                          Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

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                                                                          • ElvisManson
                                                                            Looking California
                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                            • 5476

                                                                            #137
                                                                            Originally posted by hershie
                                                                            U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

                                                                            "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

                                                                            I don't think it is too much of a stretch to envision a time when the gov't takes the practices they are doing in the article and slowly builds them up to a point that they are the dominant producers of the very news and information Americans are getting. This means real restriction of free thought if your news is gov't propoganda to make you follow their policies benignly. How clearer can this most dangerous of threats to democracy be.
                                                                            try google'ng operation mockingbird.

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                                                                            • hershie
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                              • 4642

                                                                              #138
                                                                              Originally posted by ElvisManson
                                                                              try google'ng operation mockingbird.
                                                                              I am truly sickened. This is grounds for a revolution.

                                                                              If you cannot even rely on the information you are getting to form your political beliefs and opinions, than the whole legitimacy of your democracy is at risk. How can people just take this kind of manipulation of your thoughts and opinions. Ugh.

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                                                                              • hershie
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                                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                                • 4642

                                                                                #139
                                                                                We're all the gov'ts meat puppets and some in this thread sing their praises.

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                                                                                • theking
                                                                                  Nice Kitty
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 21053

                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                  Thomas Jefferson, 1786

                                                                                  Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
                                                                                  It is apparent from the article that "freedom of the press" is alive and well...as the press has the freedom to present government prepared material or not to present government prepared material. Some media apparently present goverment prepared material as having spawned it themselves...some media do present government prepared material as just that...prepared by the government (it still qualifies as news)...and I would assume that some media would find it beneath themselves to present government prepared material.
                                                                                  When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                  • Dazza
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 1598

                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    Calling Hershie "kid" is funny enough by itself not to care what is in the rest of this thread.

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                                                                                    • hershie
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                      • 4642

                                                                                      #142
                                                                                      Originally posted by theking
                                                                                      It is apparent from the article that "freedom of the press" is alive and well...as the press has the freedom to present government prepared material or not to present government prepared material. Some media apparently present goverment prepared material as having spawned it themselves...some media do present government prepared material as just that...prepared by the government (it still qualifies as news)...and I would assume that some media would find it beneath themselves to present government prepared material.
                                                                                      You know better than this. C'mon. This was not a gov't issued press release that got picked up by a news organization. They fabricated propaganda to seem like an independant news story done by a reporter so it would get aired by sloppy or friendly news stations. They were trying to fool you to make you believe it was real news. How much clearer can this be for what it is.

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                                                                                      • hershie
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                        • 4642

                                                                                        #143
                                                                                        Originally posted by Dazza
                                                                                        Calling Hershie "kid" is funny enough by itself not to care what is in the rest of this thread.
                                                                                        Apparently it is standard issue for him to act dismissive of people in this way.

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                                                                                        • theking
                                                                                          Nice Kitty
                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 21053

                                                                                          #144
                                                                                          BTW...I do not think that government prepared material is any less credible than material gathered by individual media. I take every report with a grain of salt as they are equally incredible...in my opinion. Virtually everyone has an axe to grind and present biased reports...and usually the media's axe is not political but is the color green. The media usually selects stories that they think will attract the most viewers and present those stories in a manner that they think will hold the viewers attention via the biased use of adjectives. I have yet to find an unbiased english language (I only speak or underst and english) news outlet...from any source...origin US or otherwise.
                                                                                          When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                                          FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                                                          • jayeff
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                            • 2944

                                                                                            #145
                                                                                            It never fails. When 12-legend-in-his-own-lunchtime-clicks and the-I-am-not-a-republican-king are on one side of an argument, the other side is going to look better with every post.

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                                                                                            • Rich
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 11486

                                                                                              #146
                                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                              ahahahaha, I love these west coast losers "winning the argument" because I go home.
                                                                                              Ah, he tries to sneak back for the last word because he think I'm gone.

                                                                                              No, it's not because you went home, it's because you've proved how big of a fool you are in this thread (not the first time). This wasn't much of an argument, it was basically you making an ass of yourself and me pointing out the reasons.

                                                                                              I was just surprised at how weak your exit was. Chopping up my sentence to make it seem like I contradicted myself, pathetic. Too bad most people here can read for themselves, unlike you.

                                                                                              If you can point out one thing you've said in this thread that's accurate or truthful in any way, by all means do. At this point you basically look like a raving lunatic, talking about medical bills not forcing anyone into bankruptcy, government prepared news not being fake, not understanding the law of averages, etc etc etc. You should realize how stupid you look when the only person standing up for you, is a crazy old friendless moron who faked his own death on a message board when people started to realize how crazy he was.

                                                                                              You're lame as always, Einstein.

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                                                                                              • Rich
                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 11486

                                                                                                #147
                                                                                                Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                You know better than this.
                                                                                                No, no he doesn't.

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                                                                                                • hershie
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                  • 4642

                                                                                                  #148
                                                                                                  Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                  BTW...I do not think that government prepared material is any less credible than material gathered by individual media. I take every report with a grain of salt as they are equally incredible...in my opinion. Virtually everyone has an axe to grind and present biased reports...and usually the media's axe is not political but is the color green. The media usually selects stories that they think will attract the most viewers and present those stories in a manner that they think will hold the viewers attention via the biased use of adjectives. I have yet to find an unbiased english language (I only speak or underst and english) news outlet...from any source...origin US or otherwise.
                                                                                                  Look, nobody is saying what the gov't is saying isn't truth or less credible. I completely agree with your assesment of the media above. But that is all beside the point. The gov't cannot get into the media business at all in the manner described in the article or else freedom of speach and a functioning democracy are at serious risk.

                                                                                                  Take what is in that article about what the gov't is involved in to an even more involved level in the media and you have the makings of the end of your democracy IMO.

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                                                                                                  • theking
                                                                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                    • 21053

                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                    Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                    You know better than this. C'mon. This was not a gov't issued press release that got picked up by a news organization. They fabricated propaganda to seem like an independant news story done by a reporter so it would get aired by sloppy or friendly news stations. They were trying to fool you to make you believe it was real news. How much clearer can this be for what it is.
                                                                                                    The practice of the government preparing retports and or film and or video for news media release has been around since there has been a printing press...film and video. This is not nothing new. They have been shown in movie theaters prior to TV. Just review some of the old news reels shown in theaters...which was common practice prior to TV.

                                                                                                    The press has always had the option of presenting goverment prepared reports or not to. Government prepared materials...by the Education Dept...Agriculture Dept...Transportation Dept...etc. has always been done and is in fact real news...just as real as any story prepared by individual media.

                                                                                                    They are different than daily press releases made by the Administration/Departments...and in the case of the daily press releases of the Administration/Departments...some media run them some don't. That is called freedom of the press.
                                                                                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                                                    FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                                                                    • theking
                                                                                                      Nice Kitty
                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                      • 21053

                                                                                                      #150
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                      You should realize how stupid you look when the only person standing up for you, is a crazy old friendless moron who faked his own death on a message board when people started to realize how crazy he was
                                                                                                      You made the accusation...prove it. If you can't then you are a proven liar...but of course it has already been proven multiple times that you are in fact a liar...Richy boy.
                                                                                                      When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                                                      FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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