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  • BluMedia
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 3973
    #1

    $2,699.85 in chargebacks and more chargebacks for 1,319.92

    I am shocked what some of these people get away with. This guy spent 1,319.92 in live shows on VSCash and charged back every bit of it this month. He spent 179.99 seven times and then 59.99 once and charged back ever penny 2 1/2 months later.

    Ok better yet last year about the same time I had a guy signup for $2,699.85 in live shows and charged back every penny. These people should be shot.

    Seems like chargebacks are high in June. Can anyone beat these?

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    • tornell
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      • Nov 2002
      • 4231
      #2
      kill him !
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        • dissipate
          The Dirty Frenchman
          • Nov 2005
          • 8904
          #3
          How the fuck are they getting away with charging back this much?

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            • Drake
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              • Mar 2003
              • 12508
              #4
              holy shit

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                • CuriousToyBoy
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                  • Aug 2005
                  • 16787
                  #5
                  I would find his address and visit him.

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                    • gooddomains
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 10127
                      #6
                      It's still unbelievable that this is even possible

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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818
                          #7
                          You should share his ID info so he can be black listed
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                            • Antonio
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 14136
                              #8
                              hm, isn't there something you can do about it?

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                                • notabook
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2006
                                  • 9748
                                  #9
                                  It's hard as hell to get any money back because of there not being a tangible product involved... sighs. Best of luck though if you decide to try and get some money back, if you have his contact information I would try the old fashioned approach: Go to his house pretty early in the morning with a wooden baseball bat. Knock on the door (or ring the door bell, either way works). As soon as he answers (as long as you're sure it's him) smack him up a bit. Tell him he has a week to pay back the money for the 'free' shows, and tell him if he hasn't paid in a week that you'll see him again real soon. Then leave =) Make sure you have a solid alibi that night in case cops decide to pay you a visit ^_^ Even if you don't get any money back, you'll love beating the fuck out of that prick with a bat :D

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                                    • Ordo
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2004
                                      • 1186
                                      #10
                                      This is legalized theft and it boils my blood.
                                      I had a guy join my sites and chargeback everything, cost me a decent chunk of money in fees.

                                      I really think the worst part about it is that when we get fucked by members, we then get fucked again by the credit card companies who are enabling us to get fucked in the first place.

                                      It's such a scam.

                                      If someone wants to charge back for something, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE FEES!!!!
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                                        • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                          I guarantee it
                                          • May 2005
                                          • 18314
                                          #11
                                          What was his reason for wanting the refund ??

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                                            • hova
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                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 22430
                                              #12
                                              what a bastard
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                                                • SinisterStudios
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                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 3087
                                                  #13
                                                  Id go after him for theft of service, or see if you can put a mark on his credit report (if US based) as a creditor.
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                                                    • NoCarrier
                                                      We need more free porn
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 16356
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by notabook
                                                      It's hard as hell to get any money back because of there not being a tangible product involved... sighs. Best of luck though if you decide to try and get some money back, if you have his contact information I would try the old fashioned approach: Go to his house pretty early in the morning with a wooden baseball bat. Knock on the door (or ring the door bell, either way works). As soon as he answers (as long as you're sure it's him) smack him up a bit. Tell him he has a week to pay back the money for the 'free' shows, and tell him if he hasn't paid in a week that you'll see him again real soon. Then leave =) Make sure you have a solid alibi that night in case cops decide to pay you a visit ^_^ Even if you don't get any money back, you'll love beating the fuck out of that prick with a bat :D
                                                      You just won the "Idiot of the Day Award"

                                                      Even if he is dumb enough to do what you are saying, you just killed his alibi by posting this on a public message board.

                                                      Congrats.

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                                                        • L0rdJuni0r
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                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                          • 5883
                                                          #15
                                                          ouch!!.... that fucking sucks balls...
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                                                            • Marie
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                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 3024
                                                              #16
                                                              Amazing! So is he claiming that his account got abused or something? Or that he has some kind of disease that made him click that link 10 times in a row?
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                                                                • TheSenator
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                  • 13340
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Just another way of fucking a webmaster out of money.
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                                                                    • ButtUgly-Bertha
                                                                      What are these words under my name?
                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                      • 253
                                                                      #18
                                                                      That's one reason I got out of porn....................................

                                                                      Once this asshole charged back and the excuse I got was that he did not have perrmission to use his mothers credit card, but I never saw his mothers name anywhere on my reciepts
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                                                                        • notabook
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                                          • 9748
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by NoCarrier
                                                                          You just won the "Idiot of the Day Award"

                                                                          Even if he is dumb enough to do what you are saying, you just killed his alibi by posting this on a public message board.

                                                                          Congrats.




                                                                          In case you didn't get the illustration there bud: It was a joke. People make them. They are funny. Have a laugh or two, you might just have a better day if you do! ^_^

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                                                                            • pr0
                                                                              rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 23088
                                                                              #20
                                                                              cost of doing business

                                                                              kind of like the thugs bringing their versace wife beaters back on sunday morning
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                                                                                • nestle
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                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                  • 647
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Are you sure that this was the guy and the credit card wasn't stolen or anything?

                                                                                  Yea there are schmucks out there who do this JUST to do a chargeback later. But then there are legitimate cases where someone else got his credit card information and used it at your site.

                                                                                  Either way, you are forgetting one of the reasons why banks and merchant account providers call this 'high-risk' CC processing.

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                                                                                    • Luc
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 1130
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      can't you attempt to reverse the chargeback? I've done that before with my merchant account and won every time, even on services and digital delivery items.
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                                                                                        • Drake
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                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 12508
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by nestle
                                                                                          Yea there are schmucks out there who do this JUST to do a chargeback later. But then there are legitimate cases where someone else got his credit card information and used it at your site.
                                                                                          Yeah, that's a real problem. It's so hard to determine whether it's a legit chargeback or not. I mean, imagine discovering $2,000 on your credit card for something you didn't buy. You'd definitely charge it back.

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                                                                                            • Furious_Male
                                                                                              Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 16884
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              That is brutal but as mentioned was it him using his card? A little investigation might be in order to find out. It worth the time for those amounts.
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                                                                                                • xxxice
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                  • 5042
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  My gosh

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                                                                                                    • gfx3
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                                      • 1685
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Can't you go to court for something like this?

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                                                                                                        • digifan
                                                                                                          The Profiler
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 14618
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          That's just incredible... what an arsehole.
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                                                                                                            • tranza
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                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                              • 57559
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by notabook
                                                                                                              It's hard as hell to get any money back because of there not being a tangible product involved... sighs. Best of luck though if you decide to try and get some money back, if you have his contact information I would try the old fashioned approach: Go to his house pretty early in the morning with a wooden baseball bat. Knock on the door (or ring the door bell, either way works). As soon as he answers (as long as you're sure it's him) smack him up a bit. Tell him he has a week to pay back the money for the 'free' shows, and tell him if he hasn't paid in a week that you'll see him again real soon. Then leave =) Make sure you have a solid alibi that night in case cops decide to pay you a visit ^_^ Even if you don't get any money back, you'll love beating the fuck out of that prick with a bat :D
                                                                                                              Lol, seems like a good plan.

                                                                                                              Just make sure to bring a friend in case the guy is big or lives with rommates.

                                                                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                • Wizzo
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                                                                                                                  • Nov 2000
                                                                                                                  • 15224
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  If they use Bank of America, the bank very well could have called and asked them if they wanted to charge it back...

                                                                                                                  I know 2 different peole that made adult related charges and had BofA call them wanting to know if they didn't make the puirchases and want chargeback...
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                                                                                                                    • Farang
                                                                                                                      one sick puppy
                                                                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                      • 11715
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy
                                                                                                                      I would find his address and visit him.

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                                                                                                                        • nestle
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                          • 647
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                                                          If they use Bank of America, the bank very well could have called and asked them if they wanted to charge it back...

                                                                                                                          I know 2 different peole that made adult related charges and had BofA call them wanting to know if they didn't make the puirchases and want chargeback...
                                                                                                                          It's called fraud prevention. Credit card banks offer that kind of service if they see unusual charges coming in. I've had that done on my American Express card. I've had that done on my CapitalOne credit card. Of course, these were not adult-related charges but large charges in comparison to my average monthly usage.

                                                                                                                          Now, I don't think Bank of America would ask them if they wanted to chargeback - banks don't like chargebacks, period. They probably put the charge on hold and called to ask their cardholder if this was an authorized charge.

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                                                                                                                            • adonthenet
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                              • 16753
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              damn thats not even FUNNY!!! grrrr

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                                                                                                                                • Drake
                                                                                                                                  Hello world!
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 12508
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by nestle
                                                                                                                                  It's called fraud prevention. Now, I don't think Bank of America would ask them if they wanted to chargeback - banks don't like chargebacks, period. They probably put the charge on hold and called to ask their cardholder if this was an authorized charge.
                                                                                                                                  You're right, this is standard protocol.

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                                                                                                                                    • KrisKross
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 5025
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      You have his address? Send him a polite, but terse, collections letter. Mention his IP address(es), the name of his ISP, his user/pass, sign-on times, perfomers he saw, etc.

                                                                                                                                      And address it to Mr. and Mrs. Joe Chargeback.

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                                                                                                                                        • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 11913
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                                                                                          I am shocked what some of these people get away with. This guy spent 1,319.92 in live shows on VSCash and charged back every bit of it this month. He spent 179.99 seven times and then 59.99 once and charged back ever penny 2 1/2 months later.

                                                                                                                                          Ok better yet last year about the same time I had a guy signup for $2,699.85 in live shows and charged back every penny. These people should be shot.

                                                                                                                                          Seems like chargebacks are high in June. Can anyone beat these?


                                                                                                                                          welcome to live chat... thats not about people ripping you off... its about your inexperience and your inability to quickly recognize, flag, refund, block and keep these people out of the system.

                                                                                                                                          Last edited by Pleasurepays; 06-14-2006, 10:25 AM.

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                                                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 11913
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KrisKross
                                                                                                                                              You have his address? Send him a polite, but terse, collections letter. Mention his IP address(es), the name of his ISP, his user/pass, sign-on times, perfomers he saw, etc.

                                                                                                                                              And address it to Mr. and Mrs. Joe Chargeback.
                                                                                                                                              then has has to call his bank back and say "you know that long bullshit story i gave you about why those charges weren't mine. its ok... they were. please reverse the chargeback, put the full amount back on my card because i feel like being a nice guy"

                                                                                                                                              its not that simple and no matter what anyone thinks... you have to eat it and focus on prevention... chargebacks represent the failure of the site owner, not scamming users.

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                                                                                                                                                • BAKO
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 18478
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  that sucks
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                                                                                                                                                    • KrisKross
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                      • 5025
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                      then has has to call his bank back and say "you know that long bullshit story i gave you about why those charges weren't mine. its ok... they were. please reverse the chargeback, put the full amount back on my card because i feel like being a nice guy"

                                                                                                                                                      its not that simple and no matter what anyone thinks... you have to eat it and focus on prevention... chargebacks represent the failure of the site owner, not scamming users.

                                                                                                                                                      Riiiight. Or he could simply write a check for the amount. You accuse the guy of theft. You threaten legal action. You threaten to add him to a porn site blacklist. And maybe, just maybe, he'll be scared enough to pay back what he owes. For the amounts in question, it's worth the 20 minutes to type the letter and the 45 cent stamp.

                                                                                                                                                      If he doesn't pay it, at least there's a chance that his wife will read the letter.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                          jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 71528
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          that fucking sucks

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                                                                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 11913
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KrisKross
                                                                                                                                                              Riiiight. Or he could simply write a check for the amount. You accuse the guy of theft. You threaten legal action. You threaten to add him to a porn site blacklist. And maybe, just maybe, he'll be scared enough to pay back what he owes. For the amounts in question, it's worth the 20 minutes to type the letter and the 45 cent stamp.

                                                                                                                                                              If he doesn't pay it, at least there's a chance that his wife will read the letter.

                                                                                                                                                              hahah... you are not going to teach me anything about fraud prevention and control in live chat. "worth 20 minutes to type a letter..." you fucking dumbass... you say something like this because you are naive and don't know. besides, its been tried many times. companies have been formed specifically for this purpose. doesn't work, won't work. banks are not liable because of zero liability policies and will typically will not side against their own client and take the side of the porn site. police don't care. spending 6 hrs a day trying to scare the shit out of some russian kids in moscow or romanians in bucharest using stolen cards and proxies to chat with their girlfriends so they get the commissions is pretty pointless.

                                                                                                                                                              there is prevention and failure. any effort elsewhere is absolutely futile.

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                                                                                                                                                                • G-Rotica
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                                  • 4258
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Why not a collection agency? It's a legitimate debt. I bet a percentage would pay so that a bed debt with Porn Collectors doesn't show up on their credit report.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • madawgz
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                      • 30509
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      how the fuck is that even possible? :\
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                                                                                                                                                                        • BluMedia
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3973
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          There is nothing I can do about it, this was through sending traffic to VSCash. They are the only ones that could do anything about it. I don't have any info on him.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • pornpf69
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 15782
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              sorry to hear about your CBs...

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                                                                                                                                                                                • bobbyjuly
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 404
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  with VISA they can charge back up to 6 months back! thats scary...
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Drake
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by bobbyjuly
                                                                                                                                                                                      with VISA they can charge back up to 6 months back! thats scary...
                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow was the grace period always that long?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • DrGuile
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          You see chargeback? Your screenshot says 'Refund'....
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • BluMedia
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 3973
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DrGuile
                                                                                                                                                                                              You see chargeback? Your screenshot says 'Refund'....
                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think they ever display chargebacks so it is hard to say. Either way I lost thousands in sales.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • popy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  what happen to the screen shot. Sucks to wait for a big check and then see some ahole does a chargeback.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • DarkWeb
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So what's the best way to catch this before it goes to far? How do you prevent this?

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