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  • Lifer
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2004
    • 871
    #1

    Possible Fraud Affiliate - Need Advice

    I have had some very successful conversion with one of my affiliates.

    The conversion is very high... too high in fact.

    He is making sales right and left while other affiliates have done next to nothing for a long time.

    Is it possible that an affiliate can make fraud memberships, get the commission, and then later, I get the charegbacks?

    Can CCBill investigate the new members to be sure they are legal?

    I really need some good informantion here.
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    • eMonk
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2003
      • 2310
      #2
      shit... these days... i wouldn't be surprised...

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        • Spunky
          I need a beer
          • Jun 2002
          • 133978
          #3
          Start shaving his ass and cancel his account

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            • Steen2
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2004
              • 7662
              #4
              Originally posted by spunky
              Start shaving his ass and cancel his account
              ICQ: 2262.73945

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                • warlock5
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2808
                  #5
                  Maybe he just has really good traffic? Try to find out where its coming from...

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                    • xenigo
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 8067
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Lifer
                      I have had some very successful conversion with one of my affiliates.

                      The conversion is very high... too high in fact.

                      He is making sales right and left while other affiliates have done next to nothing for a long time.

                      Is it possible that an affiliate can make fraud memberships, get the commission, and then later, I get the charegbacks?

                      Can CCBill investigate the new members to be sure they are legal?

                      I really need some good informantion here.
                      Why are you comparing your productive affiliate to your "other affiliates that have done next to nothing"?

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                        • Steen2
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 7662
                          #7
                          Maybe the affiliate is sending popunder traffic or type in domains.

                          That's if it's referrer or conversion problems.
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                            • BV
                              wtf
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 10914
                              #8
                              check and see if those usernames show in your members area logs

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                                • graphicspimp
                                  Registered User
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 60
                                  #9
                                  terminate his ass

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                                    • Dalai lama
                                      Strength and Honor
                                      • Jul 2004
                                      • 16540
                                      #10
                                      So...

                                      A. check the traffic sources
                                      B. CCBill is really hard to 'card' signups
                                      C. why not call him?

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                                        • $5 submissions
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                                          • Nov 2003
                                          • 32189
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by warlock5
                                          Maybe he just has really good traffic? Try to find out where its coming from...
                                          Exactly. Sometimes, guys really hit it on the head and make filters that fit their traffic like a glove. If this is the case, you really can't penalize the guy for taking the time to study and hone his campaigns' conversions. For tips re traffic: http://justtraffic.blogspot.com

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                                            • Lifer
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 871
                                              #12
                                              Xenigo... If I haven't made a sale in six months...

                                              and I am 0:60,000 with tgp traffic (for the most part)... - No brag

                                              Then I get a sign up every day from this guy from the first day on...

                                              I am a little worried that something is fishy.

                                              CCBill will pay the affiliate... and chargeback later if needed.

                                              I don't want to owe CCBill money in the end.

                                              On the other hand, I am getting more traffic to the tour, the members are from all over the world, france, US, etc, and the members are actually going in and looking at the content.

                                              Maybe I am just lucky...

                                              Maybe I am paranoid.

                                              I'm just asking the experts since I am new at this.
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                                                • budz
                                                  Disruptive Innovator
                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                  • 4230
                                                  #13
                                                  0:60k, thats really bad lol
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                                                    • media
                                                      Confirmed Moneymaker
                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                      • 9853
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Lifer
                                                      and I am 0:60,000 with tgp traffic (for the most part)
                                                      NOT a very good sales pitch for your webmaster program..
                                                      I'm here for the violence!

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                                                        • Lifer
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 871
                                                          #15
                                                          It might be a bad sales pitch for the webmaster program... but it is the truth

                                                          The problem is the design and not content.

                                                          I have much of the same conrent as everyone else.

                                                          But I will take care the site design later... not a priority at the moment.

                                                          I just want to be sure I don't lose money in the long run as a result of fraud.

                                                          Tgp traffic sucks anyway in my book.
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                                                            • Theo
                                                              HAL 9000
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 34515
                                                              #16
                                                              i've done as low as 1:4 with more than 10 sales in row.
                                                              a shitload of times below 1:50
                                                              Something tells me I would make you anxious lol

                                                              what's his ratio if you dont mind?

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                                                                • Lifer
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                  • 871
                                                                  #17
                                                                  2 sales 1:188

                                                                  Yeah... you would probably scare the hell out of me if you were successful.

                                                                  It might just be the traffic source.

                                                                  That is why I am asking.

                                                                  I really only had one other affiliate sending tgp traffic... 0:10,000 per month

                                                                  And I was sending stuff myself... 0:1000 per month
                                                                  Last edited by Lifer; 03-11-2005, 01:56 AM.
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                                                                    • Theo
                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 34515
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Lifer,that's a normal ratio. If your results are not good it's possible not due to your tour, but how you market the sites or related tp ypur traffic source/s. For sure you shouldn't worry.

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                                                                        • Rex
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 2241
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                          other affiliates have done next to nothing for a long time.
                                                                          Not a good way to advertise
                                                                          I don't own RexMag anymore.

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                                                                            • hydro
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                              • 4216
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by BV
                                                                              check and see if those usernames show in your members area logs
                                                                              agreed, if a big chunk of the members are logging in soon after the purchase and are downloading stuff then i guess they are real sales. Sometimes people can convert thier traffic on sites and programs that don't convert for others.

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                                                                                • justsexxx
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                  • 13723
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  So everyone who does better then 0:60.000 is a cheater :D

                                                                                  Serious, just look if the user/passwords login to your site. Also check the ip stamps of the joins, and compare them to the logins.

                                                                                  Do some tracerts to the ip's top see where they are from. Also when it are all CC's signups, I wouldn't be TO worried. But wstill check the things above
                                                                                  Questions?

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                                                                                    • X37375787
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      welcome to the internet

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                                                                                        • rowan
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                          • 17393
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                          2 sales 1:188

                                                                                          Yeah... you would probably scare the hell out of me if you were successful.

                                                                                          It might just be the traffic source.

                                                                                          That is why I am asking.

                                                                                          I really only had one other affiliate sending tgp traffic... 0:10,000 per month

                                                                                          And I was sending stuff myself... 0:1000 per month
                                                                                          2 sales is "He is making sales right and left" ??? I wouldn't be worried about fraud from 2 sales unless they appear to have originated from identical destinations or have duplicate info. Even then it could just be a surfer who stuffed up and managed to sign up twice.

                                                                                          Do you really mean your ratios are 0:1000 or 1:1000? 0:1000 means 1000 uniques, zero sales.

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                                                                                            • The Other Steve
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                              • 2106
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                              I have had some very successful conversion with one of my affiliates.

                                                                                              The conversion is very high... too high in fact.

                                                                                              He is making sales right and left while other affiliates have done next to nothing for a long time.

                                                                                              Is it possible that an affiliate can make fraud memberships, get the commission, and then later, I get the charegbacks?

                                                                                              Can CCBill investigate the new members to be sure they are legal?

                                                                                              I really need some good informantion here.
                                                                                              Pardon me for being blunt about this but you don't need information - you need a brain

                                                                                              You're scared shitless over some affiliate who has a ratio of 1:180?????????

                                                                                              You think he's a cheat and he's trying to defraud you??????

                                                                                              Oh Pulease!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                              Last month my partner and I were 1:8 with a new sponsor. He didn't hit the boards whining about the fact that we might be cheating - instead he wrote to us and congratulated us.

                                                                                              That's what you should be doing to this guy - 1:180 is nothing remarkable and if you've got your panties in a bunch about it you should immediately go sell your paysite and take up some other far less stressful occupation.
                                                                                              Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

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                                                                                                • Lifer
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 871
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Thanks for the advice.
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                                                                                                    • d00t
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                      • 3766
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      If you need fraud systems in place, hit me up

                                                                                                      I do 1:1 with many sponsors, including epic and lars. My traffic is just gold. If I was termed for this there would be major problems..

                                                                                                      Hit/signup ratio is not really an indication of fraud... signups by proxies, bad browser types, shady countries, no member logins etc... theres some clues for fraud.

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                                                                                                        • LeeNoga
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                          • 3043
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          If it were me, I would ask around other sponsors and just ask politely is this gent on a "blacklist"....suspending webmasters is a serous matter and it takes alot of research, and hard fact to arrive at the decision of suspension. If you cannot turn up any dirt, let the account alone.

                                                                                                          But, if he/she is a cheater it will eventually come to light.

                                                                                                          I have not found one sponsor that has no answered me on a webmaster inquiry. Ask for references, and you will be surprised at the cooperation you get.

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                                                                                                            • Lifer
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                              • 871
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Thanks for the two responses above.

                                                                                                              I checked the stats... it appears to be up and up... ips are different, traffic is running to the site, log ons are ok...

                                                                                                              By the way, the conversion I gave is way out of line.

                                                                                                              My real numbers are 1:67 with non traditional adult non porn traffic, and 1:6000 with tgp traffic... I don't know if that is bad or good.

                                                                                                              I would assume bad, but as you can tell, there is little difference between me and a turnip seed
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                                                                                                                • d00t
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 3766
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                                                  My real numbers are 1:67 with non traditional adult non porn traffic, and 1:6000 with tgp traffic... I don't know if that is bad or good.
                                                                                                                  .... ummm

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                                                                                                                    • TheSaint
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 991
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I have some affiliates using the shittiest tgp traffic, blind links, popups, exits, etc. and the conversions are total shit. Then I have a steady number of affiliates doing way under 1:100, month in, month out.

                                                                                                                      I think its up to ccbill to screen signups, not me.
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                                                                                                                        • Nasty
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                          • 1575
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                                                          The conversion is very high... too high in fact.
                                                                                                                          Whats too high? I have a few hundred sites, almost 0 tgp traffic and 50-100k hits a day from search engines, 70% of that is teen traffic, if I really get behind a new teen program and bust my ass to get it implemented into 50 or more of my
                                                                                                                          sites I generally get a ration of less than 1/100 and I get 5-10 sales a day for weeks on end.

                                                                                                                          Maybe this guy just has good traffic, a few of us actually have good traffic hehe

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                                                                                                                            • mcmc
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                              • 1705
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                                                              Xenigo... If I haven't made a sale in six months...

                                                                                                                              and I am 0:60,000 with tgp traffic (for the most part)... - No brag

                                                                                                                              Then I get a sign up every day from this guy from the first day on...

                                                                                                                              I am a little worried that something is fishy.

                                                                                                                              CCBill will pay the affiliate... and chargeback later if needed.

                                                                                                                              I don't want to owe CCBill money in the end.

                                                                                                                              On the other hand, I am getting more traffic to the tour, the members are from all over the world, france, US, etc, and the members are actually going in and looking at the content.

                                                                                                                              Maybe I am just lucky...

                                                                                                                              Maybe I am paranoid.

                                                                                                                              I'm just asking the experts since I am new at this.
                                                                                                                              Actually, you should be warned. There are guys out there who are doing exactly what you described. Signup ... chargeback and go on.
                                                                                                                              Anyway ... in your CCbill admin you see the adresses and credit cards. Are they all coming from the same country/location? Similar entries?
                                                                                                                              I would talk to CCbill anyway
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                                                                                                                                • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                  Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 27360
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Wow ! 0:60 000 !!! That's the baddest ratio I've ever heard about !
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                                                                                                                                    • Dalai lama
                                                                                                                                      Strength and Honor
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 16540
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                                                                                      Xenigo... If I haven't made a sale in six months...

                                                                                                                                      and I am 0:60,000 with tgp traffic (for the most part)... - No brag
                                                                                                                                      Like you are proud on the fact that you have send 60k hits in 6 months to your own paysites ? even without a sale. Seriously, you know the problem, so fix it.

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                                                                                                                                        • Trixxxia
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 5600
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Lifer - In your CCBill panel, check your member's info - where they come from, IP, if the name makes sense & what info they have provided (CVV2,Postal Code matches....). If it's a few sales, then maybe it's beginners luck / he could have made his own mini-tour and is linking directly to the join page / member's area upsell ....there are many reasons why - verify for fraud but if they're clean, I'd say learn from what he's doing.

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                                                                                                                                            • arg
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 1164
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                                                                              2 sales is "He is making sales right and left" ???
                                                                                                                                              One sale was on the right, the other was on the left!

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                                                                                                                                                • mcmc
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 1705
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Just 2 sales???
                                                                                                                                                  well, everything ok then.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Lifer
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 871
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      You all are absolutely right.

                                                                                                                                                      I feel so stupid.

                                                                                                                                                      That is what you do when you are a new guy... ask dumb questions.

                                                                                                                                                      But it is part of the learning process.

                                                                                                                                                      I have since really dug into the stats, checked the ips, names, amount of use and activity on the site... and everything seems to be ok.

                                                                                                                                                      I apologize to anyone that thinks I really am stupid and over reacted.

                                                                                                                                                      You don't have to say it, I know it already.

                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for letting me know what I needed to check and for the guidance.

                                                                                                                                                      I got a couple new affiliates as well... so that is good!
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