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03-10-2005, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Rich

Are you really that delusional? Man, you can hardly win a war against Iraq.

More on the egotistical side. There are blind people everywhere. I recall traveling across Europe; I meat many people who had never been to the states. They used to say "You're American??!!?? But you?re not fat or dumb." So ignorance is rampant around the globe. I just wish people could sit down and discuss topics rather than turning to name calling and other childish tactics.
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03-10-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by power182

Let me explain my stance. As I said before, there are many factors that determine ones health, many of which are in control of the individual. If one chooses to smoke, drink, eat poorly, drive recklessly, use drugs, etc; why should society as a whole be burdened by the choices of an individual? There are cases that are out of ones control that may lead to illness, such as genetics, but really think about it; you all are currently paying for health care (through taxes), so why shouldn?t somebody be given the right to choose what kind of health care they desire or if their money would be better spent else where. I am a firm believer in individual rights (if you couldn?t tell); we don?t need the government protecting people from themselves, just protecting them from each other.

I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly don't think you're seeing the big picture. Most health problems are caused naturally, even non smokers get cancer. When someone who supports a family making 65k a year gets sick, I don't think he should be bankrupted. Also, I don't really understand what your view has to say about poor children.

A two tier system would be one thing, where if you have money, you can get better care. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of being a rich nation where health care companies walk off with many billions every year, but not having a system where poor people can get basic care. Lower class people are a part of the society, if it weren't for poor people, the rich wouldn't be very rich. If it weren't for the poor people your country would still be paying taxes to a King.
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03-10-2005, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by bly

Im also sorry we can win a war vs the world.

How old are you..? 15 ?
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03-10-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by power182

More on the egotistical side. There are blind people everywhere. I recall traveling across Europe; I meat many people who had never been to the states. They used to say "You're American??!!?? But you?re not fat or dumb." So ignorance is rampant around the globe. I just wish people could sit down and discuss topics rather than turning to name calling and other childish tactics.

You're right about that.
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03-10-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Icon

whao....easy there my friend...are we talking of a revolution? Viva la revolution? only voice the masses have is with their wallet. protests, articles and long, drawwn out message board chat threads will not deter the villanous ellitist swine....chose to NOT purchare their oil, their jeans, their cars....see how fast they change their song.(which song I wonder?...probably 50 cent's 'My Piggybank')

Revolutions can be nonviolent, what do you think you are suggesting? By boycotting a product, the masses are forcing a change. Look to Lebanon as an example. They are changing their country without violence, so far. However, I am not against a violent revolution. As Thomas Jefferson once said, it is not only a citizen?s right to revolute against an oppressive government, but their duty.

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unless you invite other countries to set up comanies and employ your citizens at extremely low wages in crappy little sweat shops to technologically advanced call centres. 'Outsourcing' - fucking your citizens out of jobs to cut a bigger profit by employing foriegners for lower wages. But time will tell....shit could easily hit the fan....thank god for Ashwariai Rai...the most beautiful woman on the planet.

I don?t believe the outsourcing is an evil, my fellow Americans will jump on me for this I am sure. If your job is no longer necessary, you need to evolve you skills and find one that is. Whoever can do it best for the least price should win the business.
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03-10-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by power182

More on the egotistical side. There are blind people everywhere. I recall traveling across Europe; I meat many people who had never been to the states. They used to say "You're American??!!?? But you?re not fat or dumb." So ignorance is rampant around the globe. I just wish people could sit down and discuss topics rather than turning to name calling and other childish tactics.

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03-10-2005, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Rich

I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly don't think you're seeing the big picture. Most health problems are caused naturally, even non smokers get cancer. When someone who supports a family making 65k a year gets sick, I don't think he should be bankrupted. Also, I don't really understand what your view has to say about poor children.

A two tier system would be one thing, where if you have money, you can get better care. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of being a rich nation where health care companies walk off with many billions every year, but not having a system where poor people can get basic care. Lower class people are a part of the society, if it weren't for poor people, the rich wouldn't be very rich. If it weren't for the poor people your country would still be paying taxes to a King.

I do see the whole picture I just don?t want to write a laws worth of descriptions of how I believe the system should work, I am lazy. I respect that view and never said that basic health care shouldn?t be granted to some people free of charge. Children in poverty, yes. Adults who choose not to work or spend their money on other things, no. There are limitations that need to be observed. While non-smokers can get cancer their risk increases with the use of cigarettes. This is a cause and effect world, with the cause of so many diseases unknown I don?t think anybody can say for sure if genetics or environment causes more health issues. I believe it?s more due to the environment than genetics (overall).
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03-10-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHard

I can't argue with you there

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a "chien chaud" means "hot dog"

Like hot means chaud and dog means chien
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03-10-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by power182

I do see the whole picture I just don?t want to write a laws worth of descriptions of how I believe the system should work, I am lazy. I respect that view and never said that basic health care shouldn?t be granted to some people free of charge. Children in poverty, yes. Adults who choose not to work or spend their money on other things, no. There are limitations that need to be observed. While non-smokers can get cancer their risk increases with the use of cigarettes. This is a cause and effect world, with the cause of so many diseases unknown I don?t think anybody can say for sure if genetics or environment causes more health issues. I believe it?s more due to the environment than genetics (overall).

Well dude I hope you never get sick, because it's not about spending money on other things. Living with cancer for 10 years costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions. If you think the insurance you have now will cover you forever if you get cancer, you may want to read the fine print. Half of the bankruptcies in the US are from middle class people's medical bills. These people loose their house, cars, credit, etc, for getting sick.

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03-10-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by smack

you missed a couple notes. i would also like to see apologies for:

Brian Adams

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Taking the Red Green Show off the air.

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03-10-2005, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Rich

Well dude I hope you never get sick, because it's not about spending money on other things. Living with cancer for 10 years costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions. If you think the insurance you have now will cover you forever if you get cancer, you may want to read the fine print.

I know, I have family living with ALS; their insurance has covered very little of it and they are going broke fast. I do have empathy for people, while it may seem otherwise, but I can?t bring myself to justify government health care. The ends don?t justify the means. There are better ways than what we have that are not government funded. I never said a change wasn?t needed, I just don?t believe that?s the solution.
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03-10-2005, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

Nobody calls hot-dog "chien chaud" ... Where's the "ignorant american" smiley again..?

Yep indeed ????????
Where the fuck did you get this dude ?
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03-10-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by power182

Revolutions can be nonviolent, what do you think you are suggesting? By boycotting a product, the masses are forcing a change. Look to Lebanon as an example. They are changing their country without violence, so far. However, I am not against a violent revolution. As Thomas Jefferson once said, it is not only a citizen?s right to revolute against an oppressive government, but their duty.

I agree with you on the Thomas Jefferson point....HST wrote a terrific essay on how the Duke would kick Jefferson's ass....a reflection on hypocrisy of the Nixon Administration....

Other than curbing spending habits, what other non violent solutions are there? The Elite are arrogant (and according to Vonnegut Jr. have 'psychotic personalities' - inthesetimes.com) and are very much in control at the moment. (i'm seeing this image of Bush Sr. talking about protests again his son's reign saying something like 'they just pulled out their old signs and dusted them off' - that is arrogant)

Lebanon is interesting, Bush is telling Syria to get out while his administration is doing exactly the same thing in Iraq! There are also accounts that Syria is a welcome change to the unstable gov in Lebanon-->I assume it is to this that you are reffering?

I don?t believe the outsourcing is an evil, my fellow Americans will jump on me for this I am sure. If your job is no longer necessary, you need to evolve you skills and find one that is. Whoever can do it best for the least price should win the business.

Again - you need a large labour class. Evolution is good, but certain people are limited to performing certain functions....it is a fact of life. By depriving these people of employment leads to lack of medical services and education...why bother living in America? Not to say people can't grow and change...but let's face it, there are many poorly equiped people out there. This just perpetuates cycles of poverty. And what about Tyco? - it may not be outsourcing exactly, but it is looking like it will be purchased by a major corporation out of India....reverse outsourcing maybe?

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03-10-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

Not to mention the fact that in Canada, we have freedom in our own bedrooms for the most part, and we don't have some stupid government telling us we can't watch porn or use sex toys.

what more can i say

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03-10-2005, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by IYP_Mich

Ok guys lets straighten things out, I'm french canadian but I speak english perfectly and a little spanish. I live in Quebec but I dont consider myself Quebecois but CANADIAN so as more then half people here in quebec because separation never went through. And I dare people from Vancouver to say they are real canadians when more then half the people living there are asians. I dont call my hot dogs chien chaud and I dont hate the U.S, I spend a lot of time there all year long. And anyone from quebec who knows economics wouldnt hate the us. The problem here is that there are too many 25 yrs old and younger pot smokers who think they could govern the province when all they did in school is smoke weed and venerate socialism.

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03-10-2005, 03:10 PM

Power182 - I gots to head out - you gave me a few things to think about though.....it's not often I have a convo like this (usually I'm an asshole LOL)
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03-10-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Icon

I agree with you on the Thomas Jefferson point....HST wrote a terrific essay on how the Duke would kick Jefferson's ass....a reflection on hypocrisy of the Nixon Administration....

Other than curbing spending habits, what other non violent solutions are there? The Elite are arrogant (and according to Vonnegut Jr. have 'psychotic personalities' - inthesetimes.com) and are very much in control at the moment. (i'm seeing this image of Bush Sr. talking about protests again his son's reign saying something like 'they just pulled out their old signs and dusted them off' - that is arrogant)

Lebanon is interesting, Bush is telling Syria to get out while his administration is doing exactly the same thing in Iraq! There are also accounts that Syria is a welcome change to the unstable gov in Lebanon-->I assume it is to this that you are reffering?

While Bush and France telling Syria to get out (Ironic for both of them, no just Bush) did put political pressure on Syria it was the protestors that made the biggest mark. The Prime Minister resigned because of them, not because of political pressure. So here we have an example of protesting, non-financial, that had positive effects. Also dont forget about Vietnam (no its not like Iraq), it was domestic pressure that forced L. Johnson no to run for another term leading to the withdrawal.

While I don?t agree with most people blaming Bush for everything, I do agree with you there, he is arrogant. Hopefully in four years there will be other candidates that don?t suck as much as the last two elections had to offer....

Originally posted by Icon

Again - you need a large labour class. Evolution is good, but certain people are limited to performing certain functions....it is a fact of life. By depriving these people of employment leads to lack of medical services and education...why bother living in America? Not to say people can't grow and change...but let's face it, there are many poorly equiped people out there. This just perpetuates cycles of poverty. And what about Tyco? - it may not be outsourcing exactly, but it is looking like it will be purchased by a major corporation out of India....reverse outsourcing maybe?

Well America has counted on immigrants to fill this role for over 100 years, while its dependant on desire to come here its worked for a substantial amount of time. So there are other solutions.
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03-10-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Icon

Power182 - I gots to head out - you gave me a few things to think about though.....it's not often I have a convo like this (usually I'm an asshole LOL)
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03-10-2005, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by power182

While Bush and France telling Syria to get out (Ironic for both of them, no just Bush) did put political pressure on Syria it was the protestors that made the biggest mark. The Prime Minister resigned because of them, not because of political pressure. So here we have an example of protesting, non-financial, that had positive effects.

uhh, check out some non American news sources regarding this. The protests you're talking about were tens of thousands of people, yesterday (or two days ago), there were protests in Beirut with hundreds of thousands of people in support of Syria, and that Prime Minister (Karami) was put back into power.
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03-10-2005, 03:33 PM

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3CCAA3FE92.htm

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...0F07931F99.htm
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03-10-2005, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Rich

uhh, check out some non American news sources regarding this. The protests you're talking about were tens of thousands of people, yesterday (or two days ago), there were protests in Beirut with hundreds of thousands of people in support of Syria, and that Prime Minister (Karami) was put back into power.

I am well aware of this. I was speaking of the protest from about a week ago, not the most recent ones. The PM was nominated to be put back in power by the pro-Syrian parliament. While yesterdays protests were in support of Syrian (organized by Iran and a pro-Syrian terrorist group), the ones that lead to his resignation were by Lebanese people asking for Syrian withdrawal and his resignation. The fact that he stepped down is a testimony to the power of protest, which was my point?..
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03-10-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Rich

uhh, check out some non American news sources regarding this. The protests you're talking about were tens of thousands of people, yesterday (or two days ago), there were protests in Beirut with hundreds of thousands of people in support of Syria, and that Prime Minister (Karami) was put back into power.

By the way, American new sources did cover this in much the same light as the international world. You really hate the American Media dont you? They are just as tainted as any other, especially Al Jazeera.
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