TGP Growing Trouble

Buy Popup traffic like Sleazydream and you will double your traffic.

ok if your serious, who do you think i should get it off?

trade trade trade... bump trades with high prod, drop trades with low prod

Hey man hit me up tommorw and i will give you a suggestion to help you out

ive been doing that daily, added new trades every few hours and they all seem to die off within a week or to, can you hit me up on icq or email me with more details on how to find good trades that will last. because i cant seem to find anything.


Webmaster_Logic, whats ya email coz my icq is playing up anychance you emailing that suggestion me now please?

How big is your site now?
What is your average prod?
How many trades do you have?

it looks like its all sponsor hosted galleries....

If you want help icq me...

First tip is that it's all known sponsors.

1. 3-4k
2. 80% roughly
3. 28 trades currently


yes i gota fix up the submit page tomorrow.

ill be hitting you up when i get home

Has it been SEO`d?

well your prod is extremely low, you dont have enough trades, you use FHGs, i bet you skim alot to your trades wich is scrwing your ougoing prod. as well....

were and how do i find good traders?
im skimming 60% to galleries

www.findtrades.com

and checkout the trades you're trades are trading with

A text link site running less than 120% productivity can only grow as fast as it makes loyal bookmarkers. At 80%, for every trade hit in the max you can send to another trade is .8 ... You'll need X amount of bookmarker traffic to support Y amount of trades with such low productivity.The quality of your gallery and trade descriptions count big time here. Make sure you've got quality, descriptive text. Nobody clicks "big boob movies" over the next link reading "Massive size natural titties bounced around while plowed with knobby cock". Simple, Simon. The quality of your gallery and trade descriptions count big time here. Make sure you've got quality, descriptive text. Nobody clicks "big boob movies" over the next link reading "Massive size natural titties bounced around while plowed with knobby cock". Simple, Simon.

I doubt you have a text based site (like the hun), and if you do I'd suggest thumbs instead. It's easier to get enough clicks to actually grow.

Thumbnail site is basically the same, but you SHOULD be able to get 180-200% prod . The biggest have productivity of 250% or more in some cases. Don't be afraid to drop a trade with bad productivity. Don't sweat the loss of 1000 hits a day if those 1000 hits only click 400 links on your site. It's a bad deal, dump it.

Quality of thumbs is everything. Remember, you're skimming for trades from gallery hits, you REALLY want people to click those thumbs. Make 'em look great. For example, check out my site http://www.teeniegirlgalleries.com .. It's been up about 3 weeks and went from 0 traffic to 30K steady, over night. Basically, all hosted galleries too. The thumbs are killer quality, people click click click. I'm already seeing 170% overall productivity, with only 5K bookmarkers and some not-so-great trades that are just fillers until I find better.

Look for sites around your size on counters (sexlist, sexcounter, sextraffic) and trade with them. If their prod is bad, get rid of it. If you trade with sites that are too big or too small for your site, your trades won't maintain. Sleazy Dream, for instance, probably can't manage a trade of 1000 hits. It's just too little. You trade with the larger sites as you move up the list.

Try lots of trades. A LOT of sites allow you to sign up and just start sending. Try a few each day. If the productivity is no good, 86 it and try another.

Instead of setting your site for 60% trade across the board, consider staggering it down. If a surfer clicks on the top row of thumbs, and gets 3 galleries and 2 trades, he'll likely stop clicking. Make the top row of the first table 100% to galleries (this is different than first-click-always type settings that sends the first click to galleries). Your surfer clicks the top 5 thumbs (which should be sorted by productivity) and get's 5 galleries. Excellent. Now he'll click elsewhere on the page to. I personally do something like 100% to galleries on first row, 90% on second, 80% on third, 70% on fourth, 60% rest of that table all of the next. Third table all at 55% and fourth table all at 50%. If they get down to the last table of thumbs, chances are they're clicking madly. In the end, it averages out to ABOUT 60% skim, but I find it generates more clicks.

Anyway, there's my late night essay on some basics. Basically, worry about your productivity before you buy any traffic. You can't support trades on 80% and they'll die when your feeder traffic does.

Ignore the first part of my message, I missed your link. Looking at your site I can suggest this:

THUMBS! Mostly they're pretty good quality, but a lot of them are terrible visuals. A girls stomach, or just a pair of titties ina thick bra. Use a face, an action (close up of a pussy being spread or whatever), you need to grab attention with these thumbs. Don't use pre generated thumbs everyone has seen, spend the time to make your own and make them spectacular. Most of your out bound to trades will come from gallery skimming, make them WANT to click the thumbs.

Also, I'd do something about your text links, personally. Your toplist, for example, is tiny I had to look for it. I bet it sends less than 1% of your total out to trades. On my site, the toplist sends about 5% of the total outgoing trade clicks, and another 5% comes from the scattered text links in tables. Make 'em want to click your text links as well as your galleries.

That's my $.02, take it for what it's worth.

i did make those thumbs myself

just changed the skim % and the size of my toplist, does that look better?

Yeah the quality is high enough that I figured you probably made them yourself. Some of them are questionable though. I'd really suggest sticking to the faces, upper body w/face or the action. The third thumb on the top row top table looks kind of boring. Is that table sorted by popularity? If it is I guess your surfers don't agree with me, and in which case I should just shut up.

I'd suggest you put your toplist in a table, with even larger font still. Make it stand out. Surfers love toplists, it's like saying "hey if you liked what you saw here, you'll probably love these sites too". it's the bottom text on my page, and gets more click throughs than all the other text between the tables. Make it easy to find.

Overall I like your site design and colorscheme, you just need to improve some of the thumbs, build some bookmarkers. Less advertising + lower skim = more bookmarkers. You'll lose some trade traffic going that route, because you'll skim less though. If you're 5K a day, with 500 bookmarkers, I'd suggest try skimming less, build up some more bookmarkers.

Above all, experiment. Change one thing, see how that effects your productivity. Then try something else.

I'd actually add a 4th table of thumbs, myself come to think of it.. But that's just me.

Also how often are you updating? The more often you can do an update, the faster you'll build up bookmarkers. Bookmarkers, i find at least, tend to come back pretty steadily. If there's new stuff only once a week, they'll stop coming. Daily is obviously best, but every second day isn't too bad either. It takes longer with hosted galleries, to pick through em, but it's worth it.

In my stats, my bookmarker productivity slowly drops down each day I don't update. So if it starts at like 300% on monday, if I don't update until Friday it's down to 120-150%. They're coming back to the site, but clicking much less. As soon as I update, it climbs right back up.

Disclaimer: I myself am mostly a gallery guy, my TGP is only ~30K a day, so consider that when you take my advice. I can tell you, with only one actual banner type ad, and mostly hosted galleries, I'm turning around 2K gross off my site on only 30K uniques per day. Not too shabby for an upstart.

add a top list to the right or left side of your thumb tables. This way you will send out more productive traffic which will get you more back. BTW isthe skim 55? I'd change that for sure.. work your way up to 70% skim and the book markers will like you more.

He's at 55% in the very bottom table. The top row is 100% to galleries, next row 90% etc etc. The first few thumbs surfers click in the top table are almost always going to get them to a gallery. I find this builds bookmarks and produces more overall clicks. The great thing about hosted galleries, is if you pick good ones, with good thumbs that work their way up to the top of the hall of fame, who cares if it always goes to the gallery. More money in your pocket.

Hi

I run www.dvtimes.com

how about a hard link swap?

[email protected]

80% is bad when you consider how many % you're sending to galleries at the top. You must be at 160% as a minimum so change your thumbnails. Apparently they are too boring. 28 trades are quite a lot when you're site is "only" at 3-4K. Many of them must be almost dead? Anyway WarChild already pointed out many of the things you should/could change to see if it helps so I'm not going to do that again

Your prod is the problem. They find your skim to be a pain in the ass your galleries are so good they bust a nut on 1 gallery.

My 2 cents

- Sign up with some 10 trades a day
- To look for trades just follow your traders toplists and so on
- Improve thumbs, make them more catchy
- Post your request for trades on every boards' traffic section, also use that section of boards to sign up for trades
- 60% skim is ok to me, some of my sites are about the same.
- A visible toplist is a must imho
- your overall prod should be at least 150%
- Do not delete any active trade, no matter if prod is low, every click counts and the script will return equally
- once you notice that site doesn't grow anymore, move on! build another one and start over! what is the difference between having a 100k site or 10 sites with 10k??????????
Nik

oh no, more tgp's

If if you get 3k to 4k a day why are you talkign about a 50k barrier ?

hey not to sure if you ment the average prod or the total prod but the total is 180% across the board

any other tips?

no it hasnt

OzMan84, Why don't instead make 10-15 other 3-4K TGP sites to reach your 50K goal?

Btw, have you clicked on your text sig (linkdump) lately?

- i would say he should delete trades with low prod because they are screwing both his insite prod and outgoing prod , which will screw his other good trades...

- the difference is big... is it easier to maintain and update 1 or 10 sites ?

i was thinking about your click prod, it should not be lower than 150% since your skim is fine now..

Doubt traffic can build because the site is really not a tgp or anything, what it is is a circle jerk, those scripts do nothing for building traffic, they are just a traffic flow..
If i was a surfere, would i come back to your site? no, because why would i want to click a thumbnail to a supposed gallery that just opens another similiar site..

Just my advice, please take to heart not to head

you are a fucking clueless n00b

You don't need a lot of trades to grow a big site. Sometimes less is more. Depends how you manage things and how selective you are over your trades.

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well obviously he need more GOOD trades..

maybe I should start a TGP

ok ive got 31 trades with a trade prod of 160% and a total prod 182%, does anyone want to trade traffic? or anymore pointers?

Quick and easy solution. Buy Chokers traffic and increase your revenue big time.

used that and found it a waste of money?

You obviously are regurgitating... I have built many successful sites by 'circle jerking' them...

now this is a man who knows his tgp stuff

talk to boneprone too - he has figured it all out

lots of good suggestions in this thread as well - good read, thanks for the education

how do i contact him?

yes i think people need to bookmark this thread because ill keep this updated on how i am going

One important thing... only trade with sites approx the same size as your own TGP.
I have a 10K TGP you could try to trade with (nude-babe.net).

Give it up, there´s no money to be made from TGPs...