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03-05-2005, 11:21 AM

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Well....last story seems to be interesting....have u ever think that u never will know the truth???Or better they don't want to tell you the truth )) Lets what Sgrena will say in the next days it would be interesting...and yes Fake Nick opinion is interesting

new sides to the story are starting to pop up

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03-05-2005, 11:34 AM

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Pssst: Liberals left a huge surplus for the conservatives to spend...

Irony:

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Hillary Clinton runs for president while raising money for military families
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03-05-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Pssst: Liberals left a huge surplus for the conservatives to spend...

Spend? Is that what that was? I thought it was more like looting

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03-05-2005, 11:46 AM

Do you guys realize that while jimmy carter was president, the us was sending out aircraft carriers without enough staff to launch and fly all the planes it carried.

Lewinski's boyfriend was on that path until he lost control.
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#55

03-05-2005, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Mojiteaux

Do you really think the US army didn't know who was in that convoy? Are you that naive?? Her liberation was the main news of the week.

This smells fishy, very fishy...

If it smells that fishy, you should get your girlfriend's pussy out from under your nose. As a former US soldier who has manned checkpoints, let me tell you something -- an unmarked car is an unmarked car. What, do you think the convoy was using a bullhorn to announce themselves? Carrying a big sign on top of the lead vehicle saying "herein rides so-and-so"? Of course not. Baghdad is a city of 5 million people, dumbass.

If the US Army had wanted that poor woman dead, she would be dead. Delta would have handled it, and Delta would have taken that woman out without missing. And they would have made sure the rounds they used would go through that piece of meat intelligence officer without slowing down. She would be dead if they were trying to take her out. That's not jingoism talking, that's a fact.

The Italians fucked up. They probably didn't pre-plan the route with the cooperation of US forces, and therefore either thought the roadblock was an insurgent roadblock, or just plain fucked the dog. Either way, the proof that the US wasn't trying to assassinate a woman in a car in Baghdad is the simple fact that she's alive at all.

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03-05-2005, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Pssst: Liberals left a huge surplus for the conservatives to spend...

Not really. The "surplus" was a projection based on decreased defense spending and the largest tax hike in US history, passed in 1994 by the last democratic congress. In addition, congress (which has the main power in budgetary matters as if you didn't know) has been controlled by conservatives since the 1994 mid-term elections, largely as a backlash to the tax hike. So the "surplus" (ha ha ha) not only didn't really exist, what substance it had was not due to either conservative or liberal policies alone -- kind of a gray area in which resided a ghost.

Check your facts before accusing someone else of living in a black and white world.

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03-05-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy

Not really. The "surplus" was a projection based on decreased defense spending and the largest tax hike in US history, passed in 1994 by the last democratic congress. In addition, congress (which has the main power in budgetary matters as if you didn't know) has been controlled by conservatives since the 1994 mid-term elections, largely as a backlash to the tax hike. So the "surplus" (ha ha ha) not only didn't really exist, what substance it had was not due to either conservative or liberal policies alone -- kind of a gray area in which resided a ghost.

Check your facts before accusing someone else of living in a black and white world.

Why do you even try to talk to directfiesta he is just a troll and the more he can piss you off the better he feels.

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03-05-2005, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by jukeboxfrank

Why do you even try to talk to directfiesta he is just a troll and the more he can piss you off the better he feels.

Heh heh heh, I don't get pissed off a DF. I like to piss him off, and nothing pisses off a liberal troll more than the truth.

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03-05-2005, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

YOU ask a link ... YOU, the foul blabbing mouth laughing smiley that NEVERS post a link ...

Read what she wrote about the US troops in Iraq :

http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena...d721e0ff0.html

And tell me that the Hawks liked her ....

Good news is that Saddam h torture rooms, prisons and mass graves are not his anymore to play with. The bad news is that they are now under new administration : the US of A.

ahahahaha, ask a moron for a link proving the US deliberately shot at this
c unt and the moron provides a link to something entirely different.

well, thats what makes them loser liberals.

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03-05-2005, 02:11 PM

just heard this in the morning, messed up stuff

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03-05-2005, 02:23 PM

fuck that, we screwed big time, i hope italy will stay in coalition

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03-05-2005, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy

If it smells that fishy, you should get your girlfriend's pussy out from under your nose. As a former US soldier who has manned checkpoints, let me tell you something -- an unmarked car is an unmarked car. What, do you think the convoy was using a bullhorn to announce themselves? Carrying a big sign on top of the lead vehicle saying "herein rides so-and-so"? Of course not. Baghdad is a city of 5 million people, dumbass.

If the US Army had wanted that poor woman dead, she would be dead. Delta would have handled it, and Delta would have taken that woman out without missing. And they would have made sure the rounds they used would go through that piece of meat intelligence officer without slowing down. She would be dead if they were trying to take her out. That's not jingoism talking, that's a fact.

The Italians fucked up. They probably didn't pre-plan the route with the cooperation of US forces, and therefore either thought the roadblock was an insurgent roadblock, or just plain fucked the dog. Either way, the proof that the US wasn't trying to assassinate a woman in a car in Baghdad is the simple fact that she's alive at all.

Eh, Delta doesn't seem to be able to kill anyone. Osama and Al-Zarqawi are still kicking ass and Saddam was found only thanks to a greedy local man.
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03-05-2005, 06:27 PM

all i gotta say is please don't believe everything the media says... from someone who's been out there the media is pretty fucked up if you ask me. I've seen them twist shit around..

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03-05-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy

Not really. The "surplus" was a projection based on decreased defense spending and the largest tax hike in US history, passed in 1994 by the last democratic congress. In addition, congress (which has the main power in budgetary matters as if you didn't know) has been controlled by conservatives since the 1994 mid-term elections, largely as a backlash to the tax hike. So the "surplus" (ha ha ha) not only didn't really exist, what substance it had was not due to either conservative or liberal policies alone -- kind of a gray area in which resided a ghost.

Check your facts before accusing someone else of living in a black and white world.

You are correct. The surplus was a paper surplus projected over a ten year period...with the assumption that everything would go well over the ten year period...which of course was a foolish assumption to make.

The money that President Bush and the Congress decided to refund to the people was real monies that the Governmnet did not actually have in surplus and with the brief downturn in the economy...9/11...Afghanistan...Iraq...and multiple national disasters...in addition to the "trickle down effect" being BS...we now have hugh federal budgetary deficits...and a new cap on the National Debt. This administration is doing even more damage to the financial well being of the country than President Reagan did when he quadrupled the National Debt during his terms of office.

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03-05-2005, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by FunForOne

Irony:

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Hillary Clinton runs for president while raising money for military families

how true

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#66

03-06-2005, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by ArmyFirefight3r

all i gotta say is please don't believe everything the media says... from someone who's been out there the media is pretty fucked up if you ask me. I've seen them twist shit around..

So don't believe Sgrena's version either? She was in the car and got wounded. The US army version has already so often proved to be the wrong one during the past two years of war. Lies, lies and more lies. Unfortunately for them Sgrena survived....
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03-06-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Mojiteaux

Eh, Delta doesn't seem to be able to kill anyone...

That preface alone shows that you're unrealistic.

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03-06-2005, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Mojiteaux

So don't believe Sgrena's version either? She was in the car and got wounded. The US army version has already so often proved to be the wrong one during the past two years of war. Lies, lies and more lies. Unfortunately for them Sgrena survived....

From CBSNEWS.COM:

The U.S. military has said the car Sgrena was riding in was speeding, and Americans used hand and arm signals, flashing white lights and warning shots to get it to stop at the roadblock.

But in an interview with Italian La 7 TV, Sgrena said, "There was no bright light, no signal." She also said the car was traveling at "regular speed."

One thing is troubling me even if Sgrena's account is to be believed -- if the Army wanted Sgrena dead, why didn't they finish her off on the spot? Witnesses? If there were witnesses, then those witnesses would be able to corroborate either her story or the Army's, would they not? And you must remember, if she had information which her benevolent captors warned might cost her her life, why did Al Jazeera not interview her and share this information with the world? Sgrena's version of the story simply does not hang together. Further, it is perfectly fair play to take the view that she would in fact lie to hurt the US cause, as her reporting quite openly proceeds from the viewpoint that she wants the US out of Iraq.

In short, why should I believe a story which is full of holes (pardon the pun) told by someone who is commited to defeating the coalition cause in Iraq?

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