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03-04-2005, 08:21 AM

When you hire girls for solo sites projects, do you ALWAYS tell them that they will be a solo site model and explain them what is that about... or is it better just to hire some models, make them lots of sessions within a short period of time, to have content updates for 3-4 years, and then you stop working with them and never see the girls again ..and they only know their pics will be somewhere on the internet, but don't even know on what sites etc.

I know that most girls want to know where their pics and movies wil be found, but perhaps from the site owner perspective, it can be benefitial when the model doesnt ask about that...so you can basically shoot her for 3 months, pay her GOOD money and sign a GOOD contract, and then you open the solo site and the girl doesnt even know that she will be known on the whole internet for the next few years if the site becomes popular.

I can imagine that it can be easier to find a girl who will agree to show some pussy and boobies and make lots of money in a short period of time, than a girl who will work permanently with you for a few years period.

Surely, it's good when the girl is part of the site, because she can interact with members via chatrooms etc..and this was also my goal when looking for girls, but most of the girls I talked to were kinda scared by the perspective of working long term on such project.

And to be honest I don't even think the current most popular single girl sites have true model interaction.

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03-04-2005, 08:29 AM

I don't run a solo girl site, but from the ones I see I'm sure the girls know that they are taking the pics/videos for a solo girl site. Most of the girls will do live chats with the members and some other promo stuuf. So I guess they know.

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03-04-2005, 08:32 AM

is that a rhetorical question?

if not i would say both exists - find out what works better for you and the girl. but if so - are you pointing at someone special?

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03-04-2005, 08:32 AM

I don't say shit anymore... they come in, I take pics and I bring them back
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03-04-2005, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by tranza

Most of the girls will do live chats with the members and some other promo stuuf. So I guess they know.

From what I know the most popular girls like Little April, Teen Kelly or Tawnee Stone never did a chat with their members.

And they are popular, that means webmasters send lots of traffic to them and that should indicate that they retain members good nevertheless.

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03-04-2005, 09:44 AM

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03-04-2005, 10:11 AM

whether the model is going to interact with the members or not you should always shoot a shit load of content just incase she skips out on yah and decides to stop interacting.
Its also as said above using examples like tawneestone not really needed for the model to interact (i would say it was a plus) but if shes hot she will sell whether she interacts or not.

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03-04-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by taperr

whether the model is going to interact with the members or not you should always shoot a shit load of content just incase she skips out on yah and decides to stop interacting.
Its also as said above using examples like tawneestone not really needed for the model to interact (i would say it was a plus) but if shes hot she will sell whether she interacts or not.

You're right, if she's hot - she will sell, but will she retain? As said before, I wanted to make solo girl sites with the BEST model interaction, in order to ensure the HIGHEST POSSIBLE retention.

But my point was that it's kinda hard to find a girl who will agree to all of this, any girl I talked to recently, I told her, we want her for a few years work and I think none of them liked it.

So since there are many succesfull solo girl sites that don't offer any real interaction, i am considering going also that toute..so basically find a hot teen model, pay her good, sign a good contract, shoot her a lot, and forget about her

Originally I wanted to tell the model exactly what we want, and teach her the solo girl site model, and tell her, the more she's engaged in this project, the more $$$ we will make and the more she will make. And now I think I should just find a chick who won't think too much and will be happy to make some easy cash in short period of time...

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03-04-2005, 02:49 PM

any other opinions?

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03-04-2005, 03:05 PM

I think that for long term success a models involvement is essential...but it is not always easy to find models who are willing to put in the time and effort.
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03-04-2005, 03:15 PM

Model interaction can be staged to a certain extent. You won't be able to do camshows or fansigns, but if you keep a really good journal featuring day to day and occasional intensely personal experiences, that may be good enough.

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03-04-2005, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by viki

Model interaction can be staged to a certain extent. You won't be able to do camshows or fansigns, but if you keep a really good journal featuring day to day and occasional intensely personal experiences, that may be good enough.

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03-04-2005, 04:59 PM

Being that I am on my own site I can say that it seems only amature sites truly interact with our members.
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03-04-2005, 05:02 PM

i think it would work best if you told the girl it will be a solo site, so you may also get her to do cam shows, forums, etc.. more personalized stuff

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03-04-2005, 05:47 PM

I dont tell them anything. Shoot them, pay them well, be nice to them and be happy when they leave.

The fantasy of a TEEN solo site model being around past the first 90 days is just that.... a fantasy.

Girls that posted above are the exception and they are to be commended.

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03-04-2005, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

Surely, it's good when the girl is part of the site, because she can interact with members via chatrooms etc..and this was also my goal when looking for girls, but most of the girls I talked to were kinda scared by the perspective of working long term on such project.

I bet most of this "interacting" is done by men, who pretent to be the girl. Its not a problem through chat or emails, so dont worry.
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03-04-2005, 06:29 PM

i know for fact that kate from kates playground chats with her members, does cam shows for them, and she has her own members forum that she posts on. i spoke with www.spunkycash.com spunky about it. not the same "spunky" as on gfy.

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03-04-2005, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

From what I know the most popular girls like Little April, Teen Kelly or Tawnee Stone never did a chat with their members.

And they are popular, that means webmasters send lots of traffic to them and that should indicate that they retain members good nevertheless.

Teen Kelly did webcam, as do many of the successful single girl site girls - but you're right, it's not essential if you've got a superstar teen model who looks real young, she's going to be a hit whether there's any interaction or not. for everybody else, it's a plus to have a model who does webcam and other interactive stuff like blogging.

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03-04-2005, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

From what I know the most popular girls like Little April, Teen Kelly or Tawnee Stone never did a chat with their members.

And they are popular, that means webmasters send lots of traffic to them and that should indicate that they retain members good nevertheless.

Don't know about the other two, but Teen Kelly does.
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03-04-2005, 06:48 PM

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Don't know about the other two, but Teen Kelly does.
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03-04-2005, 06:57 PM

Oh My F**** Give em what they want = cash. No questions asked if agreement is fine. Sure... there has been some problems, but usually models are fine. One time I had "funny" situation with a girls boy friend. He had no idea what hes girlfriend was doing until ...no good story at all. He came and almost shot me... eek. But we agreed as he understood that its out of hes hands what the "baby" is doing.
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03-04-2005, 06:58 PM

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03-04-2005, 08:10 PM

any REALLY successful solo-site girl will know about her site

relatives & friends will come across her samples on the tgps

the obscure & average girls can probably get away with this...but as the solo-site operator you're looking for special girls to be "stars" - (although i see many a site launched just to jump on the solo-girl site bandwagon, not necessarily to have an internet starlet)

i think its much better to be upfront & honest with your intentions...lay it out very clearly what you want to do and what you expect of the girl, if she gets scared then forget her and find a new one, there's thousands of hot girls turning 18 every day - it's our job to find them ...you dont want "average" girls you want stars, that's the whole point of a solo-site. if you want to keep it hidden you might as well have her be content of a multi-model site

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03-04-2005, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

Teen Kelly did webcam, as do many of the successful single girl site girls - but you're right, it's not essential if you've got a superstar teen model who looks real young, she's going to be a hit whether there's any interaction or not. for everybody else, it's a plus to have a model who does webcam and other interactive stuff like blogging.

It's a plus whether she is hot or not. You guys keep saying if she is hot interraction is not needed or essential. It's always needed if you want to make more money. If a hot model retains members for 4 months on average with no interraction, then I bet she will retain them for 6+ average with interraction. I wouldn't start a site without the model doing webcam shows and blogs and all of that stuff. i am amazed people still make good money off of picture/video sites only, especially with live cams being so more common now. Who wants to look at pics when you can log in anytime and spy on her in her house or catch her nightly live cam session from her bedroom. Typically, the membership site is the same for both, so why not get more bang for your buck.

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03-05-2005, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC

I bet most of this "interacting" is done by men, who pretent to be the girl. Its not a problem through chat or emails, so dont worry.

Emails or blogs - sure, I can do that, but I can't pretend to be a girl on a live chat with webcam ;-)

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03-05-2005, 02:47 AM

both maryanne and jaimy know, they know they gotta pose do vids and more, gives them responsibility and yes some girls dont give shit others do, so you gotta know who you wanna start a site with... and shoot in advance

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03-05-2005, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

You're right, if she's hot - she will sell, but will she retain? As said before, I wanted to make solo girl sites with the BEST model interaction, in order to ensure the HIGHEST POSSIBLE retention.

But my point was that it's kinda hard to find a girl who will agree to all of this, any girl I talked to recently, I told her, we want her for a few years work and I think none of them liked it.

So since there are many succesfull solo girl sites that don't offer any real interaction, i am considering going also that toute..so basically find a hot teen model, pay her good, sign a good contract, shoot her a lot, and forget about her

Originally I wanted to tell the model exactly what we want, and teach her the solo girl site model, and tell her, the more she's engaged in this project, the more $$$ we will make and the more she will make. And now I think I should just find a chick who won't think too much and will be happy to make some easy cash in short period of time...

the real major difficulty in what you are looking for interaction wise is whether she stays with it.Say she does for a while and the gets sick of all the weird shit that comes through in chats etc and some girls just are not that reliable in time no matter what kind of dollar they are making.
The most successful guys that have models that are interacting generally have them living in.
Its a mine field the solo market and as felixflow has said above the market is flooded you want some one that is reallt special to break through into the big money but also look at teenrevenue there programe is spreading like wildfire because of the standard of there girls.
best of luck to yah which ever way you decide togo but no matter what shoot a shit load of content before you put anything out just to cover yourself incase of any probs

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03-05-2005, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by taperr

the real major difficulty in what you are looking for interaction wise is whether she stays with it.Say she does for a while and the gets sick of all the weird shit that comes through in chats etc and some girls just are not that reliable in time no matter what kind of dollar they are making.
The most successful guys that have models that are interacting generally have them living in.
Its a mine field the solo market and as felixflow has said above the market is flooded you want some one that is reallt special to break through into the big money but also look at teenrevenue there programe is spreading like wildfire because of the standard of there girls.
best of luck to yah which ever way you decide togo but no matter what shoot a shit load of content before you put anything out just to cover yourself incase of any probs

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03-05-2005, 06:36 AM

i think solo girl sites are about more then just the content. The user wants to get some of there personality. Its important to have interactive content from the model to the user to retain them. Tell the girls is the best bet. And work with them ;)

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03-05-2005, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Digibucks

i think solo girl sites are about more then just the content. The user wants to get some of there personality. Its important to have interactive content from the model to the user to retain them. Tell the girls is the best bet. And work with them ;)

thats true but dont you think you can get her personality in there by shooting the content the right way and how you design both the inside and tour pages in the site.
drop in a diary, a forum , wallpapers all these give interaction and work well if you can get her to post on a regualar basis but models are flaky you just have tobe aware of the pitfalls involved.

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03-05-2005, 07:05 AM

Just play them out?
First take a lot of pictures, let the write a lot of info about themself. Place them on a multi-girl site. When you have a lot of content you talk with them and start a personal site. If they don't want it you can just create it with the content you already have. Otherwise you can take more pictures without a problem. I don't really see the problem here.
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03-05-2005, 07:10 AM

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Just play them out?
First take a lot of pictures, let the write a lot of info about themself. Place them on a multi-girl site. When you have a lot of content you talk with them and start a personal site. If they don't want it you can just create it with the content you already have. Otherwise you can take more pictures without a problem. I don't really see the problem here.

no, I've never done any content on my own, I am new to hiring models and I want to do only solo girls sites with them, no multi sites

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03-05-2005, 08:20 AM

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Sahara and I started her site after we had been friends for a year, which started when she came to me to do a paid shoot. She gave up modelling after working with me... LOL.... But we stayed friends.. I took her to an adult biz party last April and she got the urge to start again. Then last May I took her to our UK equivelant of the AVN awards and she got so much attention from the biz that we decided to make www.saharagetsdirty.com

We promoted it for 3 months everywhere before the launch and it worked... The first 2 sign up's within 30 mins. To keep the flow and interaction flowing we have two Yahoo groups and a forum, plus we are now looking for males here in the UK for hj and bj shoots for the site... She appears on UK tv adult channels at least once a week and gives the site a lot of plugs. Last night she did a cam for camz.com with another model who is with them and it was such a success we signed up to do 4 shows a month....

So when it comes to interaction.... Sahara does that for sure

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