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Sites Advocating Child Protection? What's going on at ASACP?

03-02-2005, 04:49 PM

There is an article on YNOT about ASACP changing their name from Adult Sites Against Child Pornography to Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...ticle&sid=9192

Just about everyone in the adult industry agrees that child porn is wrong and should be stopped. Beyond that, the adult industry is based on free speech.

Does anyone think the new name makes them sound like some anti-porn group?

Stopping illegal activity is one thing, but it sounds like are trying to go further now? Do they support free speech for everyone in the adult industry?

Does anyone know what's going on?

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03-02-2005, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Does anyone think the new name makes them sound like some anti-porn group?

Indeed, that name sounds a little weird.

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03-02-2005, 05:00 PM

Sounds to me that they'd like to encompass more than just adult sites as members so they generalized it to sites.

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03-02-2005, 05:02 PM

I cant support any group that supports .xxx
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03-02-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Sounds to me that they'd like to encompass more than just adult sites as members so they generalized it to sites.

WG

Why "child protection" instead of "against child porn".

The most common excuse that religious groups and poltiicians use to attack the adult industry is to "protect children".

The new name sounds like one of those pro-censorship groups instead of an anti-child porn organization.

Maybe it's just a name change, that's why I asked here on GFY.

Do they support free speech for the adult industry as long as the content isn't illegal?

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03-02-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Does anyone think the new name makes them sound like some anti-porn group?

Did you get a chance to visit http://www.asacp.org?? The site re-launched with a new design, and the goals of ASACP are on the front page.

Ones in particular that address your comment about asacp soundling like an anti-porn group:

?Provide a vehicle for self-regulation for the adult site industry by offering an Approved Member program which requires compliance to a Code of Ethics and provide member education.

?Establish and recommend Best Practices for the industry.

?Educate and inform government policy makers about the efforts of the adult site industry.

And if you click on the Sponsors link (http://www.asacp.org/sponsors.php) you'll notice alot of names in there as well as on the Members page.

Just be reading the first page alone on the goals and the companies that support ASACP, it's pretty clear it's not "anti-porn"

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03-02-2005, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Sounds to me that they'd like to encompass more than just adult sites as members so they generalized it to sites.

As usual, your perception and observations are dead on.

ASACP has now been approved as a non-profit. The non-profit status along with the name changes allows mainstream companies (ie. Yahoo, Microsoft, etc) to be able to associate with the organization.

Believe it or not, having words like "adult sites" and "child pornography" in the organization's name makes mainstream back away. By changing the name to Association of Sites Against Child Protection, it achieves the following:

1) maintains the ASACP acronym
2) reflects that is is an "Association"
3) that represents "Sites" ie. websites , internet, etc
4) "Advocating Child Protection" is just a broader and more gentler way of saying Against CP.

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03-02-2005, 06:23 PM

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I cant support any group that supports .xxx

I think that my position on .XXX has been clearly stated in my post to ICANN at:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00053.html

Not supporting ASACP just because of the .XXX issue is truly cutting off your nose to spite your face.

There is so much greater good that ASACP does, not only in being proactive in assisting law enforcement in shutting down CP websites, but also to provide education and information that the adult online industry is not part of the CP world, and that in fact, there is an association whose charter clearly opposes CP.

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03-02-2005, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by FightThisPatent

4) "Advocating Child Protection" is just a broader and more gentler way of saying Against CP.

That's what I was asking.

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03-02-2005, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

That's what I was asking.

Not sure about your angle about ASACP or its name change that would prohibit free speech.

Websites that have images of children shown in sexually explicit ways are illegal, and is clearly not a violation of free speech.

ASACP focuses on the proactive removal of CP websites.

No one is having their "free speech" violated.

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03-02-2005, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Why "child protection" instead of "against child porn".

The most common excuse that religious groups and poltiicians use to attack the adult industry is to "protect children".

I agree with you on that.. many "battles" and "wars" are done in the name of children. But now that we have Gonzales into office, there is no longer a need for anyone to pull our the "children" angle... he clearly has an anti-porn stance based on obscenity.

Alot of the battleground fireworks is usually based on the openly, easily, and available access to explicit images by children.

Using SEO tricks and outright mislabelling a site to use words like "disney" brings up porn sites for little johnny that then mommy sees, freaks out, and calls up her congressman, and then we get laws proposed.

I think that one of the key elements for self-regulation rather than imposed legislation is to not allow for explicit images in areas that don't require atleast an over18 click .. which includes blocking the sidedoors into a site via search engines, that redirect the surfer to the front door for that "over 18" link.

It's understandable that a kid could still click the link and get in, but the point is that they showed intent.. rather than accidently showing up on a page that wasn't the pokemon page they though they were looking for.

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03-02-2005, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Do they support free speech for the adult industry as long as the content isn't illegal?

Forgot to mention, in case you didn't see the list of members on the advisory board: http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Michelle Freridge, Executive Director of Free Speech Coalition

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03-03-2005, 09:40 AM

Speaking of ASACP, Free Speech Coalition, and Gonzales:

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=218731

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03-03-2005, 09:47 AM

[QUOTE=FightThisPatent]By changing the name to Association of Sites Against Child Protection, it achieves the following:
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hmmm, I think you meant to say changing the name to: Association of Sites "Advocating" Child Protection

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03-03-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent

By changing the name to Association of Sites Against Child Protection, it achieves the following:
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hmmm, I think you meant to say changing the name to: Association of Sites "Advocating" Child Protection

hahahaha.. ya, with the name change, i said once in a meeting, "Association of Sites Advocating Child Pornography". I think i should just stick with A.S.A.C.P.

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03-03-2005, 11:58 AM

ASACP is not anti-porn. The name change has to do with the nonprofit status
as well as other issues with the original name.

ASACP is for protecting the children. Meaning, we exist to demonstrate responsible behavior by site owners on a self policing basis while elimnating CP in the process. Were all about free speech and the rights of all business owners. The originization is funded by the industry for the industry.

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