BongaCams inside please.

[AdultKing]

What is your policy regarding affiliates hosting or linking to pirated content ?

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19956026&postcount=6408

[Harmon]

This should be interesting

[Markul]

I guess you already tried to contact Bongacash in private, before doing public allegations AK?

[jódete]

awww doing a lil favor for your butt buddy paully ???? why dont ya try fuckin with crakrevenue an exoclick for supporting piracy ???? ahh theyre the big boys an will squash ya like a bug. youre the little rat going after little cheese as why you dont touch the tubes. yo more donations for bobby the poodle !!!!

[Mediamix]

I guess you already tried to contact Bongacash in private, before doing public allegations AK?

This...

[AdultKing]

Here's one site. It contains links to Hollywood movies hosted on a file locker type service. The main form of monetization apart from the links to the videos, adf.ly and some popups is BongaCams.

[Mediamix]

Do you have an answer on that question from Markul?

[DamianJ]

Do you have an answer on that question from Markul?

He isn't allowed to talk about operational aspects of his campaign!

[Markul]

Before I am attacked in turn for asking obviously relevant questions (that seems to be what happens to me and others who dare ask them) - please allow me to clarify why I ask:

I find it extremely tasteless to publicly accuse a company of funding pirates, while what probably happened was that said company bought a XX advertisement deal (ex. a CPM deal) via a broker. This broken might have MILLIONS of websites under them and terms stipulating something... like don't have pirated content on websites displaying our banners.

Because it's not really humanly possible to manually check every single website for this broker - unless they hire a thousand monkeys and put the costs on their customers (= go out of business), they probably choose to trust that people follow their guidelines. Do some spot checks and then react when sites are reported in a timely manner, say something like 2-5 business days.

So assuming this is what's going on (and I know I am not the smartest tool in the shed). I'd bet that the right way would be this:

1. Someone finds something illegal or nasty going on with a site then goes to the advertiser and say: Hey, I saw your ad on this nasty website. Here is the URL, I think you should complain to someone.

2. Advertiser goes to broker and complains.

3. Broker disables website.

Everyone is happy.

If broker does not disable website or if advertiser does not react to complaint, I am sure there are legal avenues to go for if your rights are violated.

But instead. Shit is posted in public for what end I ask? It sure as shit can't be getting results, because who knows if BongaCash or the advertisement platform is even reading this forum. I'd say their e-mail or phone would be a better place to start.

At the end of the day, this just display the enormous ineptitude of AK's way of handling things.

Please note that I am not defending BongaCash in any way because I have no relationship with them and don't even think I've ever visited their website or whatever advertiser agency they are using (if any) - I react because this type of behavior is just plain wrong and distasteful.

[AdultKing]

The example I posted is not an ad broker buying spots, it's a direct affiliate and there are dozens like that example.

As there are only around 2400 domains linking to BongaCams it's pretty easy for them to see the piracy sources sending them traffic.

I understand that there are many people in this industry who see that it is in their interests to deflect blame.

The simple fact is that piracy source sites do have an affiliate relationship with BongaCams/BongaCash and I would like to know what they intend to do about it.

[jódete]

answer the questions bobby the poodle

[adultmobile]

In general, more a cam program is popular (got more affiliate banners around internet, on whatever sites), more likely AK (or others) will post that this cam program supports piracy.

We have learned in past threads, that crackrevenue got popular, and yet before livejasmin got popular. As well as ad networks (all of them, the ones who got popular).

What we learn in this thread, it is only that BongaCams it is getting popular.

[Zeiss]

In general, more a cam program is popular (got more affiliate banners around internet, on whatever sites), more likely AK (or others) will post that this cam program supports piracy.

We have learned in past threads, that crackrevenue got popular, and yet before livejasmin got popular. As well as ad networks (all of them, the ones who got popular).

What we learn in this thread, it is only that BongaCams it is getting popular.

[jódete]

What we learn in this thread, it is only that BongaCams it is getting popular.

adapt or die , paullys crying in another thread is the first ive heard of bongacams.
aks attempt to discredit this company is drawling more affiliate attention.
should keep your shit under raps ak , ak , youre a fucking moron !!!!

[AdultKing]

The responsibility for doing business with sites like this lands at the feet of the people running the affiliate program. They are the ones exchanging money for traffic and conducting that exchange with pirates.

In the case I posted above, a site full of Hollywood Movies has a direct relationship with BongaCams.

AWE has already made it clear that AWE won't take action on piracy, CrakRevenue after having ads running on Planet Suzy and some other piracy related embarrassments agreed to provide us with assistance, then reneged on the offer when the heat died down.

We are building a picture of who supports piracy and who doesn't. It really shouldn't be a question we need to ask, everyone should do what they can to reduce piracy. The sad fact is that some companies deliberately profit from the traffic piracy can bring them.

Responsible ad networks and affiliate programs don't want to be associated with Piracy, some however see the quick buck and will risk the consequences that will follow.

[jódete]

The responsibility for doing business with sites like this lands at the feet of the people running the affiliate program. They are the ones exchanging money for traffic and conducting that exchange with pirates.

In the case I posted above, a site full of Hollywood Movies has a direct relationship with BongaCams.

Alright so your accepting copycontrol donations to fight Hollywood movie piracy for free ????
Poor hollywood with their multi billion dollar a year industry looks towards copycontrol to protect their interests,

AWE has already made it clear that AWE won't take action on piracy, CrakRevenue after having ads running on Planet Suzy and some other piracy related embarrassments agreed to provide us with assistance, then reneged on the offer when the heat died down.

everyone already knows that. crakrevenue brushed copycontrol aside like worthless trash as avn handed crakrevenue not one, not two but three avn awards as ur dumb ass still posts here. question is, what are ya doing about it besides swallowing your pride ????

[Zeiss]

Responsible ad networks and affiliate programs don't want to be associated with Piracy, some however see the quick buck and will risk the consequences that will follow.

Seriously? I thought piracy sites have low quality traffic. Why do people go to piracy sites? To buy? Really?

[AdultKing]

Seriously? I thought piracy sites have low quality traffic. Why do people go to piracy sites? To buy? Really?

You can convert low quality traffic and it's profitable to do so if you pay peanuts for it.

[Alex1776]

Bongacams suck a dick

[jódete]

You can convert low quality traffic and it's profitable to do so if you pay peanuts for it.

how do we convert you to shut the fuck up an stop blogging ????
holy fuck, i thought theking an his swiss family robertson wilderness adventurers were bad.

[EddyTheDog]

You have to wonder if you are just giving promo to Bonga the same way as Paully did...

[AdultKing]

You have to wonder if you are just giving promo to Bonga the same way as Paully did...

The pirates already knew about BongaCams/BongaCash, with threads on DP and other forums there's been plenty of affiliate recruiting going on already.

[xNetworx]

Call the Internet Police

[adultmobile]

What is your policy regarding affiliates hosting or linking to pirated content ?

Question for AK: have you tried to contact BongaCams to ask this directly (asking to talk with upper management), rather than write this in GFY forum and waiting a random affiliate manager to read this (perhaps just when someone - like me - pass them this link?).

[jódete]

The pirates already knew about BongaCams/BongaCash, with threads on DP and other forums there's been plenty of affiliate recruiting going on already.

[Markul]

The simple fact is that piracy source sites do have an affiliate relationship with BongaCams/BongaCash and I would like to know what they intend to do about it.

So ask them directly instead of doing all these random threads here on GFY - btw there is a full forum for this sort of thing where you and your pupils can go crazy all you want.

It's called: Content Theft and You - you made 3 posts in total in 1 thread in there. Go figure

The responsibility for doing business with sites like this lands at the feet of the people running the affiliate program. They are the ones exchanging money for traffic and conducting that exchange with pirates.

.....

We are building a picture of who supports piracy and who doesn't. It really shouldn't be a question we need to ask, everyone should do what they can to reduce piracy. The sad fact is that some companies deliberately profit from the traffic piracy can bring them.

Responsible ad networks and affiliate programs don't want to be associated with Piracy, some however see the quick buck and will risk the consequences that will follow.

Do you really believe what you are typing? Who are we? I've asked you a number of times what rights you actually represent when you were attacking my service (where you never once contacted my in private even though I always said I don't support piracy and was willing to work with you - note the word was please) - you don't answer. I know why, but I bet most others with less legal understanding don't.

For the hell of it, I think, that since you have now invented a whole new way of combating file lockers involving everyone that runs an affiliate program or advertiser service to do a shitload of extra work just to make you happy, please answer this:

Where does it state that companies are legally obligated to check that their affiliates aren't posting links and/or advertises their content/services on piracy boards.


You can't can you? Because it makes absolutely no fucking sense. Legally or otherwise. You can argue all you want, but it's empty words.

There are plenty of working legal methods for combating piracy, you just don't seem to want to follow them.

Why don't you actually do something that might just make a difference and start DMCA'ing Google/BING for linking to piracy sites?

[johnnyloadproductions]

Markul

Quit being a bully!

[jódete]

So ask them directly instead of doing all these random threads here on GFY - btw there is a full forum for this sort of thing where you and your pupils can go crazy all you want.

It's called: Content Theft and You - you made 3 posts in total in 1 thread in there. Go figure



Do you really believe what you are typing? Who are we? I've asked you a number of times what rights you actually represent when you were attacking my service (where you never once contacted my in private even though I always said I don't support piracy and was willing to work with you - note the word was please) - you don't answer. I know why, but I bet most others with less legal understanding don't.

For the hell of it, I think, that since you have now invented a whole new way of combating file lockers involving everyone that runs an affiliate program or advertiser service to do a shitload of extra work just to make you happy, please answer this:

Where does it state that companies are legally obligated to check that their affiliates aren't posting links and/or advertises their content/services on piracy boards.


You can't can you? Because it makes absolutely no fucking sense. Legally or otherwise. You can argue all you want, but it's empty words.

There are plenty of working legal methods for combating piracy, you just don't seem to want to follow them.

Why don't you actually do something that might just make a difference and start DMCA'ing Google/BING for linking to piracy sites?

[BongaCams]

I guess you already tried to contact Bongacash in private, before doing public allegations AK?

Nope, he didn't. But we are glad that he posted it on GFY instead of some
desolated forum.. and eventually we've noticed this thread

What is your policy regarding affiliates hosting or linking to pirated content ?

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19956026&postcount=6408

You can see an answer in section #3 of our Terms: http://bongacash.com/terms

BongaCash does not accept traffic from any site that contains materials which constitutes an infringement, misappropriation or violation of any individual's or entity's intellectual property rights including but not limited to copyrights, trademark rights, rights of publicity, patent rights, personal property rights, privacy rights, etc.

Attempt to monetize a website full of pirated content will result in your affiliate account being banned for violation of our Terms. End of story.

Further questions please direct to [email protected] - it will greatly reduce your waiting time. Thanks!

Oh, and another thing.. affiliates do not provide FTP access to their websites, so if someone got banned and still have our banners on his site - allow it some time, they will eventually be removed. It depends on how lazy a webmaster are.

[WDF]

You can see an answer in section #3 of our Terms: http://bongacash.com/terms

BongaCash does not accept traffic from any site that contains materials which constitutes an infringement, misappropriation or violation of any individual's or entity's intellectual property rights including but not limited to copyrights, trademark rights, rights of publicity, patent rights, personal property rights, privacy rights, etc.

Attempt to monetize a website full of pirated content will result in your affiliate account being banned for violation of our Terms. End of story.

Further questions please direct to [email protected] - it will greatly reduce your waiting time. Thanks!

Oh, and another thing.. affiliates do not provide FTP access to their websites, so if someone got banned and still have our banners on his site - allow it some time, they will eventually be removed. It depends on how lazy a webmaster are.

This reply should have been posted several days ago rather then some of the other replies made by you in these type of threads.

Do you actually adhere to and enforce your own policies though?

Having them and not enforcing them is the same as not having them.

[Paully]

Nope, he didn't. But we are glad that he posted it on GFY instead of some
desolated forum.. and eventually we've noticed this thread



You can see an answer in section #3 of our Terms: http://bongacash.com/terms

BongaCash does not accept traffic from any site that contains materials which constitutes an infringement, misappropriation or violation of any individual's or entity's intellectual property rights including but not limited to copyrights, trademark rights, rights of publicity, patent rights, personal property rights, privacy rights, etc.

Attempt to monetize a website full of pirated content will result in your affiliate account being banned for violation of our Terms. End of story.

Further questions please direct to [email protected] - it will greatly reduce your waiting time. Thanks!

Oh, and another thing.. affiliates do not provide FTP access to their websites, so if someone got banned and still have our banners on his site - allow it some time, they will eventually be removed. It depends on how lazy a webmaster are.

Thats great. So how does it work? I sent you over half a dozen emails and even sent dmca's through your abuse form to get told Fuck You.

I asked you nicely, at first, right here on the board to talk to your affiliate. You said Fuck you.

You guys want to be pricks but I think all your good at is stealing. Never mind though, I'm good at being a prick and hunting down pieces of shit.

Now you're in my game.

[Paully]

So ask them directly instead of doing all these random threads here on GFY - btw there is a full forum for this sort of thing where you and your pupils can go crazy all you want.

It's called: Content Theft and You - you made 3 posts in total in 1 thread in there. Go figure



Do you really believe what you are typing? Who are we? I've asked you a number of times what rights you actually represent when you were attacking my service (where you never once contacted my in private even though I always said I don't support piracy and was willing to work with you - note the word was please) - you don't answer. I know why, but I bet most others with less legal understanding don't.

For the hell of it, I think, that since you have now invented a whole new way of combating file lockers involving everyone that runs an affiliate program or advertiser service to do a shitload of extra work just to make you happy, please answer this:

Where does it state that companies are legally obligated to check that their affiliates aren't posting links and/or advertises their content/services on piracy boards.


You can't can you? Because it makes absolutely no fucking sense. Legally or otherwise. You can argue all you want, but it's empty words.

There are plenty of working legal methods for combating piracy, you just don't seem to want to follow them.

Why don't you actually do something that might just make a difference and start DMCA'ing Google/BING for linking to piracy sites?

C'mon Markul, dont defend content thieves. Not even a little bit.

Visa voluntarily provides assistance to IP Owners to address e-commerce transactions involving IP infringing products. Upon receiving complete information and credible evidence directly from the IP Owner establishing that a merchant (“Merchant”) is engaged in transactions involving the sale of infringing goods on the Internet using Visa-branded payment cards, Visa’s will attempt to identify and notify the Merchant’s Acquiring Bank (“Acquirer”). The Acquirer will be asked to investigate the allegations of infringement and take any appropriate action, which may include, but is not limited to, directing the Merchant to cease selling infringing goods identified by the IP Owner or terminating the merchant account.

http://corporate.visa.com/about-visa...portBrandAbuse


https://www.mastercard.com/us/wce/PD...acy_Policy.pdf


On top of that every jurisdiction out there respects intellectual property and adheres to some form of copyright protection. Some send fuckers to jail.

Don't steal and don't try and protect those who do. It's really pretty simple.

Edit: They were asked directly. They were asked nicely. There is absolutely no excuse.

[baggg]

they are busy shaving affiliates

[Markul]

C'mon Markul, dont defend content thieves. Not even a little bit.

I am not - in any way - defending content thieves. Not even a little bit. If that is what people take away from my posts, then that is on them.

[AdultKing]

BongaCams, can you please provide a direct email address for reporting infringing sites that does not involve us dealing with your front line affiliate reps. There is a growing problem concerning some of your affiliates and we would like to get this nipped in the bud before it becomes endemic.

[adultmobile]

Thats great. So how does it work? I sent you over half a dozen emails and even sent dmca's through your abuse form to get told Fuck You.

The DMCAs shuld be send to the site which hosts the content, but of course it makes sense to send a copy also to whoever advertises there (so they have evidence you're right holder and this is not trolling).

They replied: the infringing content it is not hosted in sites under bongacams control. They have no FTP access to the server where it is the stolen content or the banner, they can't delete the content or the banner.

All BongaCams can do it is to check what affiliate ID is linked to the banner, and disable it, so the affiliate is not paid. Done this (they do NOT pay this affiliate), BongaCams no more support financially the affiliate, who is advertising on the site with infringing content - either it was the site itself being the affiliate, or someone else via advertising networks or other deals.

Still even after BongaCams disable the affiliate account and no more pay for it, the BongaCams banners will continue to display in the site with infringing content, until the affiliate does not remove such a banner (this can take time depending how fast it is this guy to figure out he is not getting paid).

I run cam sites and I disabled affiliate accounts as above at times, when I get complaints like that for banners in torrent/file locker or for spam (emails, craigslist and whatever evil thing blackat affiliates do daily). However, someone let me note after I disabled the affiliate id, that even if I am not paying the affiliate, after I disabled his account, still the link to the cam site opens the cam site. No matter if I can not remove the banner or link being it hosted elsewhere, I should not accept the traffic coming at all.

So in practice, as a cam site if I disable the affiliate accounts coming from illegal or spammy sources, but still the site opens, I get even more advantage from the "illegal" link, than if I had kept paying the affiliate. Because I still get the traffic while I do not even pay anything to the affiliate. So to make everyone 100% happy and be 100% clean, when an affiliate ID it is closed for illegal activity, the traffic coming from it should be redirected to google (or better, bing) or anyway not opening the cam site permitting signup of users.

[Paully]

The DMCAs shuld be send to the site which hosts the content, but of course it makes sense to send a copy also to whoever advertises there (so they have evidence you're right holder and this is not trolling).

They replied: the infringing content it is not hosted in sites under bongacams control. They have no FTP access to the server where it is the stolen content or the banner, they can't delete the content or the banner.

All BongaCams can do it is to check what affiliate ID is linked to the banner, and disable it, so the affiliate is not paid. Done this (they do NOT pay this affiliate), BongaCams no more support financially the affiliate, who is advertising on the site with infringing content - either it was the site itself being the affiliate, or someone else via advertising networks or other deals.

Still even after BongaCams disable the affiliate account and no more pay for it, the BongaCams banners will continue to display in the site with infringing content, until the affiliate does not remove such a banner (this can take time depending how fast it is this guy to figure out he is not getting paid).

I run cam sites and I disabled affiliate accounts as above at times, when I get complaints like that for banners in torrent/file locker or for spam (emails, craigslist and whatever evil thing blackat affiliates do daily). However, someone let me note after I disabled the affiliate id, that even if I am not paying the affiliate, after I disabled his account, still the link to the cam site opens the cam site. No matter if I can not remove the banner or link being it hosted elsewhere, I should not accept the traffic coming at all.

So in practice, as a cam site if I disable the affiliate accounts coming from illegal or spammy sources, but still the site opens, I get even more advantage from the "illegal" link, than if I had kept paying the affiliate. Because I still get the traffic while I do not even pay anything to the affiliate. So to make everyone 100% happy and be 100% clean, when an affiliate ID it is closed for illegal activity, the traffic coming from it should be redirected to google (or better, bing) or anyway not opening the cam site permitting signup of users.

Many DMCA's were sent to the site. I was talking about Bongacams and their policy regarding infringement. Bongacams was notified multiple times. I think your approach Adultmobile should be commended. Bongacams can eat a bag of dicks though.

Bottom line is we can't sit back and allow these guys to monetize theft. We can all blame the tubes for stealing content but they would have a hard time paying that bandwidth bill if shady cam and traffic companies weren't paying them to steal.

[ottopottomouse]

Quit being a bully!

He's not the one being a bully here.

[Matyko]

answer the questions bobby the poodle

I answer your question: fuck off you little motherfucking piece of chicken shit

[jódete]

I answer your question: fuck off you little motherfucking piece of chicken shit

[AdultKing]

Because it's not really humanly possible to manually check every single website for this broker - unless they hire a thousand monkeys and put the costs on their customers (= go out of business), they probably choose to trust that people follow their guidelines. Do some spot checks and then react when sites are reported in a timely manner, say something like 2-5 business days.

But it's quite ok for rights holders to have to check every single website and ensure that their content isn't being stolen and then monetised by the broker, affiliate program and pirates running the ads ?

You're seriously out of whack here.

[Markul]

But it's quite ok for rights holders to have to check every single website and ensure that their content isn't being stolen and then monetised by the broker, affiliate program and pirates running the ads ?

You're seriously out of whack here.

How can you fail to answer all those legitimate questions I ask and just spit something like that out? What is it that gives you the right to act like this?

I can't even get my head around how you can take what I ask and then write a reply like that.

[Wellness Cash]

But it's quite ok for rights holders to have to check every single website and ensure that their content isn't being stolen and then monetised by the broker, affiliate program and pirates running the ads ?

You're seriously out of whack here.

You seem to be an idiot. Where you got that from anyone's response in this thread is beyond confusing.

[jódete]

How can you fail to answer all those legitimate questions I ask and just spit something like that out? What is it that gives you the right to act like this?

I can't even get my head around how you can take what I ask and then write a reply like that.

youre straight bro. bobby boys ego makes em think hes a almighty internet power that webmasters gotta answer to. bobby wont go after the big boys cuz theyll put their boot straight up his ass , aint that right bobby boy ???? youre cool harassing lil 12 year old pimple face suzys sponge bob square pants blog
hes a fucking punk !!!!

[whOaKemosabe]

youre straight bro. bobby boys ego makes em think hes a almighty internet power that webmasters gotta answer to. bobby wont go after the big boys cuz theyll put their boot straight up his ass , aint that right bobby boy ???? youre cool harassing lil 12 year old pimple face suzys sponge bob square pants blog
hes a fucking punk !!!!