Paypal Acount Frozen - GoFuckYourself.com

icymelon · 05-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Well I guess I didn't listen to everyone else and their issues. Never had a problem with them before after years. Got an affiliate payment on march 1 and that triggered something on the AUP - acceptable use policy. The only information I could get over the phone was the offending transaction. A few hours later I get an email saying I am a paypal advantage member because I spend over $5,000 last year.

Anyway just a heads up to everyone.

Pink Misfit · 05-08-2012, 02:03 PM

did you get your funds? If not sometimes you can refund the payment and then have them resend using another method. I have had so many PayPal accounts closed because they are fuckers and randomly decide to freeze an account. I have one account that is active but they hold payments for 30 days to ensure there is no charge backs. LOL like the cpa companies paying me are going to charge back. Stupid shit. Use Paxum, Alert Pay anything but PP especially with big payments.

nikki99 · 05-08-2012, 02:08 PM

an adult affiliate transaction with PP?

lazycash · 05-08-2012, 02:18 PM

So can you tell which program sent you the affiliate payment so we can at least have a heads up if some of us are getting paid the same way from that program.

SwirlsGirl · 05-08-2012, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icymelon

Well I guess I didn't listen to everyone else and their issues. Never had a problem with them before after years. Got an affiliate payment on march 1 and that triggered something on the AUP - acceptable use policy. The only information I could get over the phone was the offending transaction. A few hours later I get an email saying I am a paypal advantage member because I spend over $5,000 last year.

Anyway just a heads up to everyone.

It's sad when accounts get frozen and funds are jacked...hopefully you get some sympathy from around here but something tells me that you will be blamed for your misfortune, trolled incessantly, and asked to change your traffic and see if you get different results

icymelon · 05-08-2012, 02:27 PM

venus cash

alias · 05-08-2012, 02:47 PM

Fuck, my buddy sent a couple bills owed to an ancient email address. Everything was different, business name, bank account, phone number etc. Thought it was gone for sure but put in new bank info and they let me withdraw even though I couldn't send or spend it.

Inter-Sex · 05-08-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

and funds are jacked...

Mallicked by Paypal, because the money is in motion, 180 days ?

ravo · 05-08-2012, 03:06 PM

I've been warning people for years not to use PP for adult transactions, including affiliate payments. It's clearly against their AUP - not worth the risk to me.

signupdamnit · 05-08-2012, 03:35 PM

The funny thing is they still take payments from file lockers AFAIK.

Anyone ever have problems with receiving payments from a broker or places like Plugrush and Juicy Ads?

pornmasta · 05-08-2012, 03:36 PM

Someone to sue paypal ?
It is not their funds, after all.
And if porn is legal they can forbid with a rule that is not stated in the law (excessive or even abusive)

brentbacardi · 05-08-2012, 03:38 PM

ravo, can you email me at [email protected] please? Regarding your Sig, Thanks!

Nicky · 05-08-2012, 03:39 PM

6 months till you get the money right? At least you will get your money you have there. I just don't understand why the fuckers can just make It ok with legal adult transactions.

signupdamnit · 05-08-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravo

I've been warning people for years not to use PP for adult transactions, including affiliate payments. It's clearly against their AUP - not worth the risk to me.

Paypal is less hassle and more appealing (cheaper) than others like Paxum in some countries like the U.S. I've never even had to give a bank or government agency all the things the other alternatives such as Paxum are asking for to verify an account. I'd strongly prefer people used ACH more in the U.S. it's almost always free or very low cost. There's no reason for a middle man for people in certain countries.

lazycash · 05-08-2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravo

I've been warning people for years not to use PP for adult transactions, including affiliate payments. It's clearly against their AUP - not worth the risk to me.

My understanding for years was exactly what you said, but that in the last couple of years they have relaxed the aup to allow adult programs to send affiliate payments. The thread starters situation makes me wonder if paypal had a problem with the adult program's account for other reasons and his affiliate payment got him caught in the crossfire.

VenusBlogger · 05-08-2012, 03:55 PM

Is it a good idea to have more than 10K in paypal?

specially when you can't withdraw it, because they don't send WIRES to other countries and if they send a check via regular mail and the check gets LOST (sometimes happens), you are fucked, because they don't send another one and you lose the money.

It's quite tricky, but sometimes it's the only method to get paid, specially in some mainstream sponsors..

baddog · 05-08-2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Is it a good idea to have more than 10K in paypal?

Never leave more there than you feel comfortable losing.

SwirlsGirl · 05-08-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Never leave more there than you feel comfortable losing.

very good advice

brentbacardi · 05-08-2012, 04:19 PM

I've said this a bazillion times to people but do this:

Paypal account (or any similar type account) -> Bank account 1 -> bank account 2

As soon as you get the money in paypal, transfer to bank account 1, then transfer to bank account 2. They cannot touch it that way other than through legal avenues.

papill0n · 05-08-2012, 04:35 PM

so what ? talk to them and get it unfrozen

Zorgman · 05-08-2012, 06:48 PM

I too got my account frozen this week. i've been using Paypal for my scripts for almost 5 years now and I have talked to them on a number of occasions and they have said it was all fine to use them. But it seems even they were wrong.

My account is now terminated with 180 days to withdraw my funds -- which im glad was only $1.50 left because I had used all the funds a week before.

baryl · 05-08-2012, 06:55 PM

I don't trust having more than five bucks in paypal

CYF · 05-08-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Is it a good idea to have more than 10K in paypal?

I wouldn't keep more than 50 bucks in my paypal account.

Kiwigirl · 05-08-2012, 08:07 PM

Just for the record - https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?c...locale.x=en_US
Read Prohibited Activities, section 2, point (h).
This was updated not too long ago to be even more vague than what was stipulated before but basically the sale of any adult material (displaying nudity) be it direct with consumer or paying out affiliates for the sale of their adult material all falls under the same jurisdiction as far as Paypal is concerned.

venus · 05-08-2012, 10:30 PM

He wont have to wait 180 days to get his payment, he has disputed the action of paypal, and if he cannot get his money in the next few days, I will send him a check for it. And no I will not need to get the money sent though paypal back, its his when ever paypal gives it back to him. Not his fault, he deserves to be paid and will.

alias · 05-08-2012, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

which im glad was only $1.50 left because I had used all the funds a week before.

Nice, fuck them.

travs · 05-08-2012, 11:04 PM

how hard can it be to request to have it unfrozen?

SwirlsGirl · 05-08-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travs

how hard can it be to request to have it unfrozen?

ever heard the phrase "your arms are too short to box with God"

Well when the 3rd party is holding your money and denying you access to it....they by default become God of the situation

You are going to need a longer set of arms to reach those funds.

Be careful what you post I would wager paypal has spotters scanning this board hoping someone slips up and gives them a *reason* to Freeze Funds

Emil · 05-09-2012, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travs

how hard can it be to request to have it unfrozen?

That will solve it! Thank you for helping thousands of people all over the world.
You did IT!

u-Bob · 05-09-2012, 02:56 AM

any specifics, like did they use an adult email address or mention anything adult in the subject/message?

marlboroack · 05-09-2012, 03:00 AM

Sorry you got fucked

Darkhorse · 05-09-2012, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

any specifics, like did they use an adult email address or mention anything adult in the subject/message?

Was thinking the same, there had to be a red flag come up for the account to be checked.

travs · 05-09-2012, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emil

That will solve it! Thank you for helping thousands of people all over the world.
You did IT!

haha you're welcome

RazorSharpe · 05-09-2012, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

He wont have to wait 180 days to get his payment, he has disputed the action of paypal, and if he cannot get his money in the next few days, I will send him a check for it. And no I will not need to get the money sent though paypal back, its his when ever paypal gives it back to him. Not his fault, he deserves to be paid and will.

Strange no one is mentioning what a stand up way this is to handle the situation. More people like you in this industry wouldn't be a bad thing!! Kudos!

RazorSharpe · 05-09-2012, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Be careful what you post I would wager paypal has spotters scanning this board hoping someone slips up and gives them a *reason* to Freeze Funds

Until this I was taking you seriously .....

u-Bob · 05-09-2012, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

He wont have to wait 180 days to get his payment, he has disputed the action of paypal, and if he cannot get his money in the next few days, I will send him a check for it. And no I will not need to get the money sent though paypal back, its his when ever paypal gives it back to him. Not his fault, he deserves to be paid and will.

nice. btw: did you also get your account frozen?

BIGTYMER · 05-09-2012, 03:18 AM

Strange. They had been so cool lately...

ufscripter · 05-09-2012, 03:24 AM

Thanks for the heads up

brentbacardi · 05-09-2012, 04:43 AM

Call them and if they ask what it was payment for just say it was for graphic design or article writing services or something that isn't adult. Plus a way to bribe them is that they LOVE to collect information so if you really want it, when you call, just be like, "So if i send in 3 current bills and a copy of my social security card and copy of my ID then you will unblock my account?" Totally gives them a hard on to think they will get more information on you.

bluebook18 · 05-09-2012, 04:54 AM

i've been frozen also last year and i am able to withdraw the funds over my PP accounts this year supposed to be 6-7 months of waiting ( i didn't contact support and etc.. ) so starting today count the days and months until you have the authority to withdraw the funds

it's a lesson for sure

ravo · 05-09-2012, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentbacardi

ravo, can you email me at [email protected] please? Regarding your Sig, Thanks!

email sent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

My understanding for years was exactly what you said, but that in the last couple of years they have relaxed the aup to allow adult programs to send affiliate payments. The thread starters situation makes me wonder if paypal had a problem with the adult program's account for other reasons and his affiliate payment got him caught in the crossfire.

I have phoned Paypal three times in the past 2 years (their Corporate Sales office) to ask if I could use them to accept payment for adult traffic. Each time I was told a flat out "no". It was against their AUP.

As far as I'm concerned any adult affiliate program using Paypal to make payments is trying to fly under the radar. Eventually, they will get caught.

Quote:

Originally Posted by travs

how hard can it be to request to have it unfrozen?

Paypal will not unfreeze your account. They may hold it for up to 180 days (but usually less) before the let your withdraw your balance.

brassmonkey · 05-09-2012, 05:59 AM

just think of your money as a cd with no interest

Barefootsies · 05-09-2012, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

6 months till you get the money right? At least you will get your money you have there. I just don't understand why the fuckers can just make It ok with legal adult transactions.

You can get that reduced, and get your money back sooner.

You will need to write some letters, and CC a few folk, but within 24 hours of sending that email you will get a call and/or email from executive appeals, and they will go over your account, and when you will get your timely refund. You do not have to wait 6 mo..

Barefootsies · 05-09-2012, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhorse

Was thinking the same, there had to be a red flag come up for the account to be checked.

Paypal now uses routine credit checks if you are pushing a lot of volume through your PP account. I wanna say it's around $5-10k a year, but I do not recall off the top of my head now. They will run it on you personally, and/or your business EIN. As long as you are in good standing, you will rarely have any serious issue with them. If it comes back otherwise, you will have things "out of the blue" come up with your account.

This policy has been in place for a couple of years now, and definitely not new. What has probably changed is, you are pushing more volume through your account, transferring money out immediately (your bank account, paying vendors, etc.). Which in turn raises a red flag, and then they start poking around in your transaction history.

SwirlsGirl · 05-09-2012, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhorse

Was thinking the same, there had to be a red flag come up for the account to be checked.

funds processed thru a 3rd party can be intercepted,frozen,seized,delayed,shuffled...on any given day for the most VAGUE AND SHALLOW REASONS IMAGINEABLE.

of course the policy and standard P.R. script was somehow the horrible bad merchant managed to disobey the rules even if complete accident or misunderstanding....

acknowledge the fact that in a deteriorating collapsing world economy that the reasons and the seizures will continue to snowball.

You can take that to the bank

pornmasta · 05-09-2012, 07:17 AM

fuck paypal.
Let's use something else, we don't need them

SuckOnThis · 05-09-2012, 07:35 AM

When this happened to me a few years ago I discovered paypal has been sued twice under class action status for doing the same shit. Both times they settled for millions, admitted no wrong doing and continued doing the same thing. Apparently they make more from the interest on holding peoples money hostage than it costs to settle lawsuits.

FreeHugeMovies · 05-09-2012, 08:03 AM

You deserve what you got for being dumb.

icymelon · 05-09-2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

any specifics, like did they use an adult email address or mention anything adult in the subject/message?

nope nothing adult. Did say affiliate payout. The paypal account was a business type. Been fine for years. The explanation was very vague. One the phone they did tell say which transaction caused the issue. But the AUC dept can not be reached via phone and they suggested sending them an email.

Hermes · 05-09-2012, 08:45 AM

I know several BIG adult affiliate programs have been openly paying through paypal for couple years or more already. The name of the program is often mentioned in PP notes or in the email domain. I'd assume that if any of their affiliate gets their account frozen due to these transactions, then the company's account would be frozen too. Makes me wonder why the issue is still so vague.

05-08-2012, 01:58 PM	#1
icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	Paypal Acount Frozen Well I guess I didn't listen to everyone else and their issues. Never had a problem with them before after years. Got an affiliate payment on march 1 and that triggered something on the AUP - acceptable use policy. The only information I could get over the phone was the offending transaction. A few hours later I get an email saying I am a paypal advantage member because I spend over $5,000 last year. Anyway just a heads up to everyone. __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

05-08-2012, 02:03 PM	#2
Pink Misfit xXxAffiliateReviews.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: US Posts: 1,035	did you get your funds? If not sometimes you can refund the payment and then have them resend using another method. I have had so many PayPal accounts closed because they are fuckers and randomly decide to freeze an account. I have one account that is active but they hold payments for 30 days to ensure there is no charge backs. LOL like the cpa companies paying me are going to charge back. Stupid shit. Use Paxum, Alert Pay anything but PP especially with big payments. __________________ Available for VA assistance, customer service, sales and support, content writer, etc! Contact: [email protected]

05-08-2012, 02:08 PM	#3
nikki99 Supermodel Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sodoma & Gomorra Posts: 22,890	an adult affiliate transaction with PP? __________________ SMC Revenue - Best Tgirl websites of the world now VR Non exclusive BIG Tranny/shemale Package for sale, full 2257 - hit me up skype: nikkimontero

05-08-2012, 02:18 PM	#4
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	So can you tell which program sent you the affiliate payment so we can at least have a heads up if some of us are getting paid the same way from that program. __________________ "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams.. Its crazy..." VenusBlogger

05-08-2012, 02:27 PM	#6
icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	venus cash __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

05-08-2012, 02:47 PM	#7
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Fuck, my buddy sent a couple bills owed to an ancient email address. Everything was different, business name, bank account, phone number etc. Thought it was gone for sure but put in new bank info and they let me withdraw even though I couldn't send or spend it. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

05-08-2012, 03:06 PM	#9
ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,440	I've been warning people for years not to use PP for adult transactions, including affiliate payments. It's clearly against their AUP - not worth the risk to me. __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated June 2025

05-08-2012, 03:35 PM	#10
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	The funny thing is they still take payments from file lockers AFAIK. Anyone ever have problems with receiving payments from a broker or places like Plugrush and Juicy Ads?

05-08-2012, 03:36 PM	#11
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,163	Someone to sue paypal ? It is not their funds, after all. And if porn is legal they can forbid with a rule that is not stated in the law (excessive or even abusive) Last edited by pornmasta; 05-08-2012 at 03:38 PM..

05-08-2012, 03:38 PM	#12
brentbacardi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,425	ravo, can you email me at [email protected] please? Regarding your Sig, Thanks! __________________ Go Fuck Yourself!

05-08-2012, 03:39 PM	#13
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	6 months till you get the money right? At least you will get your money you have there. I just don't understand why the fuckers can just make It ok with legal adult transactions. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

05-08-2012, 03:55 PM	#16
VenusBlogger So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,540	Is it a good idea to have more than 10K in paypal? specially when you can't withdraw it, because they don't send WIRES to other countries and if they send a check via regular mail and the check gets LOST (sometimes happens), you are fucked, because they don't send another one and you lose the money. It's quite tricky, but sometimes it's the only method to get paid, specially in some mainstream sponsors..

05-08-2012, 04:19 PM	#19
brentbacardi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,425	I've said this a bazillion times to people but do this: Paypal account (or any similar type account) -> Bank account 1 -> bank account 2 As soon as you get the money in paypal, transfer to bank account 1, then transfer to bank account 2. They cannot touch it that way other than through legal avenues. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself!

05-08-2012, 04:35 PM	#20
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	so what ? talk to them and get it unfrozen

05-08-2012, 06:48 PM	#21
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	I too got my account frozen this week. i've been using Paypal for my scripts for almost 5 years now and I have talked to them on a number of occasions and they have said it was all fine to use them. But it seems even they were wrong. My account is now terminated with 180 days to withdraw my funds -- which im glad was only $1.50 left because I had used all the funds a week before. __________________ ---

05-08-2012, 06:55 PM	#22
baryl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,086	I don't trust having more than five bucks in paypal

05-08-2012, 08:07 PM	#24
Kiwigirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,556	Just for the record - https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?c...locale.x=en_US Read Prohibited Activities, section 2, point (h). This was updated not too long ago to be even more vague than what was stipulated before but basically the sale of any adult material (displaying nudity) be it direct with consumer or paying out affiliates for the sale of their adult material all falls under the same jurisdiction as far as Paypal is concerned. __________________ KIWISOURCING OUTSOURCING WITH A TWIST! Last edited by Kiwigirl; 05-08-2012 at 08:08 PM..

05-08-2012, 10:30 PM	#25
venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	He wont have to wait 180 days to get his payment, he has disputed the action of paypal, and if he cannot get his money in the next few days, I will send him a check for it. And no I will not need to get the money sent though paypal back, its his when ever paypal gives it back to him. Not his fault, he deserves to be paid and will. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

05-08-2012, 11:04 PM	#27
travs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,631	how hard can it be to request to have it unfrozen?

05-09-2012, 02:56 AM	#30
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	any specifics, like did they use an adult email address or mention anything adult in the subject/message?

05-09-2012, 03:00 AM	#31
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	Sorry you got fucked

05-09-2012, 03:18 AM	#37
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	Strange. They had been so cool lately...

05-09-2012, 03:24 AM	#38
ufscripter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 111	Thanks for the heads up

05-09-2012, 04:43 AM	#39
brentbacardi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,425	Call them and if they ask what it was payment for just say it was for graphic design or article writing services or something that isn't adult. Plus a way to bribe them is that they LOVE to collect information so if you really want it, when you call, just be like, "So if i send in 3 current bills and a copy of my social security card and copy of my ID then you will unblock my account?" Totally gives them a hard on to think they will get more information on you. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself!

05-09-2012, 04:54 AM	#40
bluebook18 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Soon On Mars Posts: 4,082	i've been frozen also last year and i am able to withdraw the funds over my PP accounts this year supposed to be 6-7 months of waiting ( i didn't contact support and etc.. ) so starting today count the days and months until you have the authority to withdraw the funds it's a lesson for sure

05-09-2012, 05:59 AM	#42
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,159	just think of your money as a cd with no interest __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

05-09-2012, 07:17 AM	#46
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,163	fuck paypal. Let's use something else, we don't need them

05-09-2012, 07:35 AM	#47
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	When this happened to me a few years ago I discovered paypal has been sued twice under class action status for doing the same shit. Both times they settled for millions, admitted no wrong doing and continued doing the same thing. Apparently they make more from the interest on holding peoples money hostage than it costs to settle lawsuits.

05-09-2012, 08:03 AM	#48
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	You deserve what you got for being dumb.

05-09-2012, 08:45 AM	#50
Hermes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 264	I know several BIG adult affiliate programs have been openly paying through paypal for couple years or more already. The name of the program is often mentioned in PP notes or in the email domain. I'd assume that if any of their affiliate gets their account frozen due to these transactions, then the company's account would be frozen too. Makes me wonder why the issue is still so vague.