The Power of Vaccines

[Sly]

Hi guys! What better way to start a Monday?



http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-v...graphic-2014-4

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Sly

Hi guys! What better way to start a Monday?



http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-v...graphic-2014-4

And add billions of dollars from later medicament threatments

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

And add billions of dollars from later medicament threatments

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008382

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

[Mickey_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008382

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

In that case, what are your suggested proven, tested alternatives for vaccination?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

In that case, what are your suggested proven, tested alternatives for vaccination?

Good nutrition and sanitation...remember, there was never a vaccine against Scarlett Fever

[Choopa_Pardo]

Can't wait for the anti-vacc dipshits to jump in on this thread.

[DWB]

And Autism is up 78% in the past decade among children.

Go figure.

It's a tough call to make if you have kids and worry about such things.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by DWB

And Autism is up 78% in the past decade among children.

Go figure.

It's a tough call to make if you have kids and worry about such things.

I get more gas from Dos Equis than Stella.

What does my gas have to do with smallpox vaccines? Not sure yet, but it sure sounds terrible.

[SykkBoy]

My problem with vaccines aren't the vaccines themslves, but their one size fits all mentality and combining so many different vaccines in one shot. If a child has a reaction to a vaccine, it's tougher to determine what caused the reaction.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm more of a pick and choose the vaccines. I'd prefer indivual injections as opposed to a one size fits all, just go ahead and combine everything into one shot, type of person. As someone who has a child that's had extremely adverse reactions to a vaccine and the doctor couldn't pinpoint which element it was, I might be just a bit biased on that point...

[ITraffic]

yes children growing up in unnatural, alien and sterile environments, cut off from nature and blasted 24-7 with intense and hypnotic information from the electronic devices they are tethered to has nothing to do with impairing normal cognitive development. it must be vaccines ... yeah that's it.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

yes children growing up in unnatural, alien and sterile environments, cut off from nature and blasted 24-7 with intense and hypnotic information from the electronic devices they are tethered to has nothing to do with impairing normal cognitive development. it must be vaccines ... yeah that's it.

The advances in the way we diagnose autism also have nothing to with the increase...

[Choopa_Pardo]

Originally Posted by DWB

And Autism is up 78% in the past decade among children.

Go figure.

It's a tough call to make if you have kids and worry about such things.

there is no correlation whatsoever between autism and vaccinations.

[trevesty]

I'll never understand people who 100% deny the rigorous scientific process in favor of some blogger on the internet who apparently has too much free time. If you're so afraid that you're willing to ignore all facts and reality, please go see a shrink.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by DWB

And Autism is up 78% in the past decade among children.

Go figure.

It's a tough call to make if you have kids and worry about such things.

Do you think that might be just more people putting a label on it? There's tons of kids when I was young that probably had autism. Back then we just called them stupid, troubled, they have a learning disability, or just plain old retarded.

Same goes for all the other commonly used acronyms out there today. ADHD, OCD, ADD, etc.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Sly

I get more gas from Dos Equis than Stella.

What does my gas have to do with smallpox vaccines? Not sure yet, but it sure sounds terrible.

If you're going to look at how good vaccines have done over the past 10 or so years, and they have worked wonders, you can't ignore the elephant in the room which is an enormous increase in autism. Are they connected? The pharmaceutical companies spend millions of dollars to have the government and the media tell us no. Their lobbyists can't be beat, and they have the FDA in their pocket.

Maybe they are not connected at all, like your gas. But the increase in autism came from somewhere. Sugar intake perhaps? Some say so. But, the sugar lobbyist also spend millions to have the government and the media tell us no. Steroids in beef? Well, the beef lobbyist spend millions.... and so on and so forth.

If it's not sugar, if it's not vaccines, if it's not steroids in beef, if it's not global warming, what is it? Bad reality television? I don't know, but I'm also not going to ignore the possible risk of all of they above.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DWB

If you're going to look at how good vaccines have done over the past 10 or so years, and they have worked wonders, you can't ignore the elephant in the room which is an enormous increase in autism. Are they connected? The pharmaceutical companies spend millions of dollars to have the government and the media tell us no. Their lobbyists can't be beat, and they have the FDA in their pocket.

Maybe they are not connected at all, like your gas. But the increase in autism came from somewhere. Sugar intake perhaps? Some say so. But, the sugar lobbyist also spend millions to have the government and the media tell us no. Steroids in beef? Well, the beef lobbyist spend millions.... and so on and so forth.

If it's not sugar, if it's not vaccines, if it's not steroids in beef, if it's not global warming, what is it? Bad reality television? I don't know, but I'm also not going to ignore the possible risk of all of they above.

awareness and detection of autism have improved, that accounts for the increase.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

awareness and detection of autism have improved, that accounts for the increase.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo

there is no correlation whatsoever between autism and vaccinations.

Says every study paid for by big business.

But you may be right. However, the fact of the matter is, neither you nor I are in the loop to know if it does or not.

The CDC had thimerosal removed from most vaccines years ago, thinking it was related to autism, and of course later reports said it was safe.

At the end of the day, we don't know if we're being lied to or not. All we have to go by are stats and reports, which are usually provided by big pharma companies or labs who are funded by them.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Do you think that might be just more people putting a label on it? There's tons of kids when I was young that probably had autism. Back then we just called them stupid, troubled, they have a learning disability, or just plain old retarded.

Same goes for all the other commonly used acronyms out there today. ADHD, OCD, ADD, etc.

Sure, that is very possible. Or it could be that kids are being poisoned. Like I said above, we're all out of the loop on this.

Doctors used to say smoking was healthy for you. Now, they say it's a leading cause of cancer and it will kill you. There is no telling what we will know about vaccines or autism in 10, 20, or 50 years from now.

[Sly]

DWB, you are making a point that none of us know that vaccines didn't cause it, yet you don't know that vaccines did. It's just a possibility. One possibility of hundreds, thousands, even millions, yet again you went straight for vaccines as the culprit.

Do vaccines cause autism? I have no clue, I can't say yes or no and I would be extremely naïve to argue either point because nobody really knows and nobody can prove it. So why do we jump to vaccines as an answer? Because we need to justify our over paranoid beliefs? Because we need to blame somebody, something? Or because we just don't know and can't handle the thought of not knowing something so we manifest our own "logical" answers based on one "coincidence" of millions?

Strange how similar that behavior is to that of religious zealots…

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Good nutrition and sanitation...remember, there was never a vaccine against Scarlett Fever

There is no vaccine for Scarlet Fever, but the disease is effectively treated with antibiotics.

Before the availability of antibiotics, scarlet fever was a major cause of death.

There seriously should be a warning label on your posts!



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[DWB]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

awareness and detection of autism have improved, that accounts for the increase.

That very well may be the case, that almost everyone in the USA has autism and it has simply gone undetected all these decades.

Though, awareness and detection is the same in most other first and second world nations, and they don't have anywhere near the numbers of autistic children as the USA has. In the USA it's something like 1 in 70. In many other countries it's 1 in 1000.

Maybe autism can be chalked up as part of the cost of freedom.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by DWB

Doctors used to say smoking was healthy for you. Now, they say it's a leading cause of cancer and it will kill you.

Reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from "Sleeper":





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[MaDalton]

where did autism go up? world wide?

my feeling is that today every kid that stares for more than 2 minutes out of the window is diagnosed as autistic...

besides that - even if there was a relation, i'd rather "risk" the very small chance of my kid become autistic than having it die from something that could have easily be prevented

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Sly

DWB, you are making a point that none of us know that vaccines didn't cause it, yet you don't know that vaccines did. It's just a possibility. One possibility of hundreds, thousands, even millions, yet again you went straight for vaccines as the culprit.

Do vaccines cause autism? I have no clue, I can't say yes or no and I would be extremely naïve to argue either point because nobody really knows and nobody can prove it. So why do we jump to vaccines as an answer? Because we need to justify our over paranoid beliefs? Because we need to blame somebody, something? Or because we just don't know and can't handle the thought of not knowing something so we manifest our own "logical" answers based on one "coincidence" of millions?

No, what I'm saying is, I'm not ruling it, or anything else, out.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DWB

That very well may be the case, that almost everyone in the USA has autism and it has simply gone undetected all these decades.

Though, awareness and detection is the same in most other first and second world nations, and they don't have anywhere near the numbers of autistic children as the USA has. In the USA it's something like 1 in 70. In many other countries it's 1 in 1000.

Maybe autism can be chalked up as part of the cost of freedom.

vaccines are used worldwide. Has there been a documented increase in vaccinations in the U.S. in the last 10 years but not worldwide that would account for this?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

vaccines are used worldwide. Has there been a documented increase in vaccinations in the U.S. in the last 10 years but not worldwide that would account for this?

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[DWB]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

vaccines are used worldwide. Has there been a documented increase in vaccinations in the U.S. in the last 10 years but not worldwide that would account for this?

Not all vaccines are used world wide, and not all countries make it mandatory to get all vaccines. But the number of autistic children in other countries pale in comparison to those in the USA. Could just be a coincidence.

Hell, it could be something the parents did / ate / abused. Our parents didn't eat as much processed food, but our generation gobbled that shit up. Different chemicals in cigarettes now, high fructose corn syrup... and so on. Much of that our generation consumed in one way or another, and was super-sized along the way. It just so happens that our kids are the generation that has the most cases of autism.

Like I said, I'm not ruling anything out. But I have to lean on the idea that the main reason for the large increase is made made.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by DWB

Not all vaccines are used world wide, and not all countries make it mandatory to get all vaccines. But the number of autistic children in other countries pale in comparison to those in the USA. Could just be a coincidence.

Hell, it could be something the parents did / ate / abused. Our parents didn't eat as much processed food, but our generation gobbled that shit up. Different chemicals in cigarettes now, high fructose corn syrup... and so on. Much of that our generation consumed in one way or another, and was super-sized along the way. It just so happens that our kids are the generation that has the most cases of autism.

Like I said, I'm not ruling anything out. But I have to lean on the idea that the main reason for the large increase is made made.

Its simply that it is over diagnosed in the US and I suspect under in many other countries - Neurotic American parents like to have a label like that for their less that perfect children...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DWB

Not all vaccines are used world wide, and not all countries make it mandatory to get all vaccines. But the number of autistic children in other countries pale in comparison to those in the USA. Could just be a coincidence.

Hell, it could be something the parents did / ate / abused. Our parents didn't eat as much processed food, but our generation gobbled that shit up. Different chemicals in cigarettes now, high fructose corn syrup... and so on. Much of that our generation consumed in one way or another, and was super-sized along the way. It just so happens that our kids are the generation that has the most cases of autism.

Like I said, I'm not ruling anything out. But I have to lean on the idea that the main reason for the large increase is made made.

if it is man-made and not entirely due to better awareness and diagnosis, it seems like it would be due a variety of things working together to manifest into the illness. It does seem that if the U.S. has better detection then the world would also. just guessing, I don't disagree with the observation re: the # of autistic but I'm not seeing the link to vaccines, just based on my layperson's view.

[nm_]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Its simply that it is over diagnosed in the US and I suspect under in many other countries - Neurotic American parents like to have a label like that for their less that perfect children...

^^ I'm sure you can find stats showing that kids are increasingly being diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, hyperactivity, and everything else that parent's dont want to deal with too

the biggest problem from these anti-vaccination clowns is that they're putting everyone else's kids in danger too. I could care less if your kid dies from polio/measles/chicken pox/ w/e because you choose not to vaccinate, but when selfish parents put others in danger it really blows.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

yes children growing up in unnatural, alien and sterile environments, cut off from nature and blasted 24-7 with intense and hypnotic information from the electronic devices they are tethered to has nothing to do with impairing normal cognitive development. it must be vaccines ... yeah that's it.

The effects of autism appear at an age too early for environmental factors to have played a role. These kids have eaten normal, watched normal cartoons, haven't played games, etc... The early signs are there by 2-3 years old.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by nm_

^^ I'm sure you can find stats showing that kids are increasingly being diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, hyperactivity, and everything else that parent's dont want to deal with too

the biggest problem from these anti-vaccination clowns is that they're putting everyone else's kids in danger too. I could care less if your kid dies from polio/measles/chicken pox/ w/e because you choose not to vaccinate, but when selfish parents put others in danger it really blows.

This is worth a read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Sw...asles_epidemic

It is exactly why some of the conspiracy freaks are so dangerous - Especially when it relates to medical issues...

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Sly

Hi guys! What better way to start a Monday?



http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-v...graphic-2014-4

vaccines for most of ilnesses that you mentioned are totally correct and with sense...

but vaccines for things like flu...are just stupid and dangerous..same like seeking answers for all your psychological problems in xanax, prozac and "viagra"....and also inventing new ilnesses like ADHD to sell drugs/"solutions" for it....

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by klinton

vaccines for most of ilnesses that you mentioned are totally correct and with sense...

but vaccines for things like flu...are just stupid and dangerous..same like seeking answers for all your psychological problems in xanax, prozac and "viagra"....and also inventing new ilnesses like ADHD to sell drugs/"solutions" for it....

influenza = flu...

and that is a horrible comparison.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by nm_

I could care less if your kid dies from polio/measles/chicken pox/ w/e because you choose not to vaccinate, but when selfish parents put others in danger it really blows.

if your kids are vaccinated, then why worry? Shouldn't the vaccine protect them?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo

Can't wait for the anti-vacc dipshits to jump in on this thread.

Damn, that's what I was going to say.

I wonder:

Does Anti-Vaccer = Obama Birther = Climate Change Denier = 9/11 Truther = Moon Landing Denier?

I'd bet yes...

[kane]

Originally Posted by nm_

^^ I'm sure you can find stats showing that kids are increasingly being diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, hyperactivity, and everything else that parent's dont want to deal with too

the biggest problem from these anti-vaccination clowns is that they're putting everyone else's kids in danger too. I could care less if your kid dies from polio/measles/chicken pox/ w/e because you choose not to vaccinate, but when selfish parents put others in danger it really blows.

My nephew was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD when he was in 8th grade. This was because he literally failed 15 out of his 18 classes that year.

They tried to get him to a therapist, but he refused to talk to them or do any of the exercises that they gave him. They gave him medication and it didn't seem to help.

Now he is 20 years old and as it turns out all along he hasn't had ADHD or ADD he just has a shitty mom who never punished him for acting out and it turned him into an asshole.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

if your kids are vaccinated, then why worry? Shouldn't the vaccine protect them?

The failure of vaccines is used as an excuse to sell more

[wehateporn]

We can't force everyone to get educated, many have their minds made up; it's difficult to snap people out of that way of thinking. Anyway, here's some info for those who have the capacity to view vaccines from a scientific perspective rather than relying blind trust.

The more vaccines a first world nation give to their children, the worse the infant mortality rate. Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?..."These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Peer-reviewed study showing vaccines cause autoimmune disease

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008382

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ?system? by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

Award-Winning Documentary which examines both sides of the debate and allows experts to state their cases

History of Polio - Suzanne Humphries, MD, speaking on Polio at the Association of Natural Health Conference

Vaccine Safety Conference - Anyone interested in the science side will want to watch these, a number of the world's top vaccine experts get together to discuss the dangers of vaccines; they have serious concerns about what's going on

http://vaccinesafetyconference.com/videos.html

The HiB vaccine is trigger the highly profitable autoimmune disease Diabetes Type 1. Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine -"We initiated and funded a collaborative study with Tuomilehto on the effect of the Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine on type 1 diabetes and found that the data support a causal relation (paper submitted for publication). Furthermore, the potential risk of the vaccine exceeds the potential benefit."

http://www.bmj.com/content/319/7217/1133.1

Doctor Sherri Tenpenny is recognized as one of the world's top experts on vaccine safety, here she assesses the risks against the potential benefits of each vaccine in the childhood schedule

Dr. Tenpenny: Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices

This website is devoted to weighing up the risk against the benefit each vaccine

http://smartvax.com/

The former head of the CDC admitted in a televised interview that vaccines can trigger Autism.

The Former Chief of the UK Department of Health, Dr Peter Fletcher, blows the whistle on Vaccine/Autism Corruption

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

[Mickey_]

3 words: BALANCE and COMMON SENSE.

Life is simple, enjoyable and isn't all doom and gloom (I understand that is hard to believe to conspiracy theorists) if you educate yourself, use common sense and keep things in balance.

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[DWB]

Back from a food break.

Took me a bit to find these, I couldn't remember the details.

Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism

The federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, better known as "vaccine court," has just awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism for "pain and suffering" and lifelong care of their injuries, which together could cost tens of millions of dollars.

Read the rest: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_2468343.html

And then there is this one...

Case Study: Autism and Vaccines

What's unique about Hannah's case is that for the first time federal authorities have conceded a connection between her autistic symptoms and the vaccines she received, though the connection is by no means simple.

Read the rest: http://content.time.com/time/health/...721109,00.html

And this gem from last year....

US media blackout: Court rules that MMR Vaccine caused autism

The Bocca family was awarded 174,000 euro after the Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism in their nine-year-old son Valentino.

Read the rest: http://www.examiner.com/article/us-m...-caused-autism


Like I said before, I'm not saying vaccines are the cause, but I can't rule it out, especially when there are cases like these where they rule in favor of the child and in some cases lock away their medical data afterwards. If there was 100% no connection, then it would be cut and dry and they not award the children millions of dollars. For me, there is enough there to have concern and do a lot of research should the day come when I have to vaccinate my child. I know I turned out fine, so at the very least they would get what I got, but probably nothing more. Just in case.

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