XBIZ NEWS: Lightspeed, Grooby File Suits Against Hundreds of Bit Torrent Users

[DWB]

Besides, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

For the 95% of the people on here that think what we are trying to do is a good idea, thanks!

You have my support. If you need more people on board, I'm in.

[The Trash Heap]

wow, you are a narrow minded cunt...

its ok for you to shake your pussy all over the net, but its not ok for prostitution?

get your head out of your ass and the squirrels out of your pussy...

[mikesinner]

You can get usenet access for $25/month unlimited transfers and get all the free porn you could ever want.

Stop worrying about who has your pic/videos on their sites and stop expecting to make money off of content that is 5 years old and maybe you'll actually turn a profit.

[SteveLightspeed]

As the attorney that has filed the actual lawsuits, I can say that most of the negative comments on this post miss the point of what we are trying to do. I wish to make a couple quick points:

1. We are not looking to end piracy. That will never happen.

2. We are trying to get some "lost" money back to content producers on a contingency basis. If my firm is full of idiots that cannot accomplish this task then our clients are not a dime.

3. I am not trying to push this solution on anyone who would rather not pursue illegal downloaders. If a content producer is comfortable with writing off illegal downloads as a cost of doing business, I respect that.

4. With respect to the comment that most down loaders don't know its illegal, I can't help but wonder if that commenter is serious. Besides, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

5. For the 95% of the people on here that think what we are trying to do is a good idea, thanks!

John Steele

Steele | Hansmeier

Welcome to GFY John!

Steve Lightspeed

[DWB]

You can get usenet access for $25/month unlimited transfers and get all the free porn you could ever want.

Stop worrying about who has your pic/videos on their sites and stop expecting to make money off of content that is 5 years old and maybe you'll actually turn a profit.

How about, don't worry about what other people are doing with THEIR content.

You do what you have to do, let those who actually own content do what they need to do.

[SteveLightspeed]

So you would recommend what, doing NOTHING to fight piracy? This is also just phase one of a MUCH larger plan, btw.

Steve Lightspeed

Phase two is underway, and still more coming!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=987082

[BVF]

How about, don't worry about what other people are doing with THEIR content.

You do what you have to do, let those who actually own content do what they need to do.

Let the affiliate marketers worry about their own shit.

[SteveLightspeed]

Subpoenas have now been approved in all 3 cases, so discovery moves forward. We have collected hundreds more IP addresses of infringers in the meantime, which will be added to the lawsuit soon.

Steve Lightspeed

[Allison]

Subpoenas have now been approved in all 3 cases, so discovery moves forward. We have collected hundreds more IP addresses of infringers in the meantime, which will be added to the lawsuit soon.

Steve Lightspeed

When this gets out to the mainstream it will be quite embarrassing for those to have that teen and tranny porn torrent reputation get out there.

[Robbie]

Subpoenas have now been approved in all 3 cases, so discovery moves forward. We have collected hundreds more IP addresses of infringers in the meantime, which will be added to the lawsuit soon.

Steve Lightspeed

I pray...and I don't even believe in fairy tales...but I still pray to "God" that gideongallery's ip is on that list.

Now that would be sweet justice!

[DWB]

When this gets out to the mainstream it will be quite embarrassing for those to have that teen and tranny porn torrent reputation get out there.

I hope so. Fuck 'em.

[SteveLightspeed]

When this gets out to the mainstream it will be quite embarrassing for those to have that teen and tranny porn torrent reputation get out there.

Teen? Yeah, it could look pretty bad, especially for some fat, bald, 44 year-old married guy with teenage kids... Oh wait.... bad example....

[Allison]

Teen? Yeah, it could look pretty bad, especially for some fat, bald, 44 year-old married guy with teenage kids... Oh wait.... bad example....

Sounds like the average porn consumer.

[johnsteele]

Small Update

With all due respect Steve, I wish to correct your comment about "hundreds more". We have collected thousands and thousands of additional names.

We are pulling about 100 IP's an hour right now . . .

[Nathan]

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

[tony286]

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

Thats funny Steve was probably the only website guy ever to be on the front page of the wsj. You tell him how to do things. lol

[SteveLightspeed]

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

Anyone downloading "LightspeedGirls.com Complete Site Rip", then allowing it to be reshared from their computer, knows exactly what the fuck they are doing, Nathan. We aren't talking about a few files here, we're talking about my ENTIRE content library.

Btw, my "fans" are paying members.

Steve Lightspeed

[Allison]

Hmmm as the gfyers normally say. "sig spot". I have a feeling things are going to heat up.

[Nathan]

Steve, I _COMPLETELY_ agree there!

Let me make myself more clear...

I oppose suing any IP that hits a keyword "lightspeed" on a torrent tracker or P2P network. If you make it very clear that only OBVIOUS things like site_rip or whatever are tracked, more power to you.

I also have no problem with suing porn board downloaders like pornbb.org simply because its blatantly obvious there too.

Suing _any_ downloader is what I have a problem with..

[stocktrader23]

This is excellent. And long overdue.

This is no different than ripping music. If the music companies can go after people who download music illegally, well, our industry can also go after both the people that put it up as well as the people who downloaded it. I would imagine it's not all too complicated for the hosting companies and the internet providers.

Once word starts getting out that such websites are being tracked by our industry and then targeted by our industry, surfers will start to take notice.

Congrats to all the winners, the three who stepped up to the plate and put their money where their mouth is. It should also be mentioned that Steve Lightspeed also also fought off Acacia as well.

The music companies are losing money hand over fist by going after downloaders. If porn sites didn't suck so God damned bad for the money they cost everyone would still be fine.

[stocktrader23]

Good glad to see the users getting sued. But instead of bit torrent they should target the "users" of the big tub sites that uploaded the stolen content there. Would love to have it exposed during discovery that it wasn't "users" but the sites themselves then the site wouldn't have any DMCA protection.




Well you can thank DMCA protection for making it hard to go after the sites. But I bet if they sued tube site users they would find out that a lot of the sites were the ones putting the content up.

It is still affective to hit the users for it. Sue them for 5K an instance and settle for $500. Most will pay it vs having to go to court, lose, and file bankruptcy. Easier for them to just pay t he $500 and the site collects income and sends a message. Its no different then acacia going around trying to scare people into buying the license for their patent. Except the people suing in this case are in the right.

If they targeted users of a couple tube sites, then eventually those sites would be forced to verify user submitted content or do away with it. If people were scared to upload to a particular site because their info would be turned over and they would be sued... they would stop using that tube site.

IT DOES NOT FUCKING WORK.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-money-pit.ars

[tony286]

The music companies are losing money hand over fist by going after downloaders. If porn sites didn't suck so God damned bad for the money they cost everyone would still be fine.

You got a wife and kids, a good job and now are going to get sued for trading anal butt boys 47 or slurpeesluts.com. It's a different story. I think you could offer the most for the money, the most quality porn in world and people would trade it. People think its online so its different.

[SteveLightspeed]

Steve, I _COMPLETELY_ agree there!

Let me make myself more clear...

I oppose suing any IP that hits a keyword "lightspeed" on a torrent tracker or P2P network. If you make it very clear that only OBVIOUS things like site_rip or whatever are tracked, more power to you.

I also have no problem with suing porn board downloaders like pornbb.org simply because its blatantly obvious there too.

Suing _any_ downloader is what I have a problem with..

Of course you have a problem with that, it would fuck up your precious tubes. Your words might carry alot more weight if you had never purchased those sites.

[DBS.US]

Look at that Jordan dance,,,,How many CDs do I need for a site rip?

[Nathan]

You got a wife and kids, a good job and now are going to get sued for trading anal butt boys 47 or slurpeesluts.com. It's a different story. I think you could offer the most for the money, the most quality porn in world and people would trade it. People think its online so its different.

We should just sue random members claiming stupid stuff since they all will settle anyway.. awesome way to make money...

[Nathan]

Of course you have a problem with that, it would fuck up your precious tubes. Your words might carry alot more weight if you had never purchased those sites.

Steve,

you need to stop listening to specific lawyers that want to make money with you, you need to talk to law firms that have a real clue about this subject. If anyone has told you that suing tube surfers that do not upload infringing content would work, you should quickly get a new law firm, since they do obviously not care for you or the industry, just for their own pockets.

Trust me, I have spent so much money on both sides of the fence and now own the biggest production company and the biggest tube, that I obviously got VERY educated on the subject and not by some random law firm, but by a major anti-piracy law firm which has won some of the biggest cases.

I have absolutely no problem with you suing torrent trackers, torrent uploaders, pornbb type boards and all their surfers and similar obvious infringers. BUT downloaders of torrents that are not obviously infringing is a huge issue in my book. Suing tube surfers that did not upload infringing content, is just a hilariously stupid thing to even mention in this context since it is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT even compared to torrents.

Suing infringing tube sites that do not comply with DMCA, absolutely no issue again.

DMCA exists for a reason, for a bigger one that most of the people here realize.

[tony286]

We should just sue random members claiming stupid stuff since they all will settle anyway.. awesome way to make money...

Thats not what i said. Please dont put words in my mouth and i wont put ones in yours.sound like a deal?

[SteveLightspeed]

Steve,

you need to stop listening to specific lawyers that want to make money with you, you need to talk to law firms that have a real clue about this subject. If anyone has told you that suing tube surfers that do not upload infringing content would work, you should quickly get a new law firm, since they do obviously not care for you or the industry, just for their own pockets.

Trust me, I have spent so much money on both sides of the fence and now own the biggest production company and the biggest tube, that I obviously got VERY educated on the subject and not by some random law firm, but by a major anti-piracy law firm which has won some of the biggest cases.

I have absolutely no problem with you suing torrent trackers, torrent uploaders, pornbb type boards and all their surfers and similar obvious infringers. BUT downloaders of torrents that are not obviously infringing is a huge issue in my book. Suing tube surfers that did not upload infringing content, is just a hilariously stupid thing to even mention in this context since it is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT even compared to torrents.

Suing infringing tube sites that do not comply with DMCA, absolutely no issue again.

DMCA exists for a reason, for a bigger one that most of the people here realize.

Can you tell us the story about "WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK"? The tubes you own have the industry's blood on their hands, and you know it. You know what content on those sites is licensed and what is not, so remove the unlicensed stuff NOW, and stop acting blind to it. Until you do, you won't get any respect from anyone.

Steve Lightspeed

[Nathan]

Steve, you do not understand DMCA, just live with it.. you do not understand the difference between "copyrighted" or "infringing"...

You sent us _one single_ DMCA notice in the last 6 months (or more even, not sure anymore right now), we can't be that bad then huh? We reacted to that notice within a few hours too, as always.

We receive BY FAR less DMCA notices a day to our tube sites than the number of DMCA notices we our self SEND to other sites... it's a cost of doing business, live with it. We produce MUCH MORE content than you, and it looks like we have no problem with it.. maybe you should change your thinking...

You need to also stop dreaming these things about how tubes killed the industry, the industry is not dead, it MAKES MORE MONEY TODAY than it did a year ago! It's just _YOU_ that has fallen behind...

BTW, I have respect from enough people Steve, I do not need yours or your group of followers...

[Nathan]

Thats not what i said. Please dont put words in my mouth and i wont put ones in yours.sound like a deal?

Never claimed you said that. I just continued your thinking one step further...

[peterdrew1978]

if tawnee stone was gangbanged by black dicks then JSUT THEN i might pay to watch it.

suing torrent users lol who probably don't even have credit cards. are you trying to make an example ? big fucking mistake steve, your shit is all over major forums now. try suing filehosting companies lol

this piracy made me lose sales shit doesn't hold in court. they already ruled that just because a piracy occured, it doesn't hold that that person would make the purchase.

guess you like making lawyers rich and yourself poorer steve.

idiot.

[SteveLightspeed]

if tawnee stone was gangbanged by black dicks then JSUT THEN i might pay to watch it.

suing torrent users lol who probably don't even have credit cards. are you trying to make an example ? big fucking mistake steve, your shit is all over major forums now. try suing filehosting companies lol

this piracy made me lose sales shit doesn't hold in court. they already ruled that just because a piracy occured, it doesn't hold that that person would make the purchase.

guess you like making lawyers rich and yourself poorer steve.

idiot.

At least Nathan has the balls to post under his own nick, and not some anonymous keyboard warrior pussy. Why are you hiding behind a fake nick?

[Alky]

so you guys are actively sharing the site rip, and then suing people who download it?

nice....

[SteveLightspeed]

so you guys are actively sharing the site rip, and then suing people who download it?

nice....

No, thats not how it works. The site rips were already on the torrents when we looked.

[peterdrew1978]

johnsteele is mistaken. As an attorney myself, I can tell you that this suit will not last and is a total waste of money and bankroll for Mr. Steele.

1) Steve is gay
2) Lightspeed is gay
3) Grooby is gay.
4) Everyone who agreed is gay.

Just kidding. Here's my real reasons as to why Lightspeed and their gang will fail miserably.

1) Lawsuit against piraters by porn producer is not new. It has been attempted outside of USA, and failed miserably so far.

2) Imagine the backslash and potential counter suit that is liable for Lightspeed once the media spreads the word, Evil porn producers are suing innocent teenagers. This would permanently shut the door for any future proceedings or attempts by other porn producers.

3) The court and on federal level do not care about you stupid porn peddlers (in their eyes you are not socially respected but shady sleaze bags), there is very little jury empathy for porn producers. You have very little support from public. People who you will be suing however will potentially have large support from public from the "Evil" porn producers.

Result: Lawyers and court makes bank off clueless porn producers trying to keep their failing business due to crappy content and lack of understand of free market mechanisms. Angry individuals sued file counter suit, and takes rest of Steve's sick and unethical money from porn business. Bankruptcy and gay orgy ensues. Steve cries in his little bed wearing his schoolgirl outfit once worn by Twannee Stone.

[peterdrew1978]

No, thats not how it works. The site rips were already on the torrents when we looked.

Another stupid thing you did was posting here which will be used against you in court.

How will you go against the recent judgement that was passed which states that just because a digital content is viewed or accessed does not necessary lead to a direct case in which the content viewer would ever buy your shit in the first place ? Hence Steele's argument that you are after recouping "lost money" due to piracy doesn't hold. Because piracy != lost revenue. Do you think you can pull this shit off ? Correction: you don't you will just fail.

Stop wasting time hunting innocent users, and start making honest content, not some scammy shit nobody wants to pay for.

btw I thought you "quit" gfy. You "quit" gfy twice and yet you are here again. That says a lot about your character and ability to honor a man's word.

[DWB]

Of course you have a problem with that, it would fuck up your precious tubes. Your words might carry alot more weight if you had never purchased those sites.

[DWB]

At least Nathan has the balls to post under his own nick, and not some anonymous keyboard warrior pussy. Why are you hiding behind a fake nick?

And again...

[Zyber]

Steve,

you need to stop listening to specific lawyers that want to make money with you, you need to talk to law firms that have a real clue about this subject. If anyone has told you that suing tube surfers that do not upload infringing content would work, you should quickly get a new law firm, since they do obviously not care for you or the industry, just for their own pockets.

Trust me, I have spent so much money on both sides of the fence and now own the biggest production company and the biggest tube, that I obviously got VERY educated on the subject and not by some random law firm, but by a major anti-piracy law firm which has won some of the biggest cases.

I have absolutely no problem with you suing torrent trackers, torrent uploaders, pornbb type boards and all their surfers and similar obvious infringers. BUT downloaders of torrents that are not obviously infringing is a huge issue in my book. Suing tube surfers that did not upload infringing content, is just a hilariously stupid thing to even mention in this context since it is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT even compared to torrents.

Suing infringing tube sites that do not comply with DMCA, absolutely no issue again.

DMCA exists for a reason, for a bigger one that most of the people here realize.

Summary: You have nothing against Steve suing your competitors.

[peterdrew1978]

Steve, you do not understand DMCA, just live with it.. you do not understand the difference between "copyrighted" or "infringing"...

You sent us _one single_ DMCA notice in the last 6 months (or more even, not sure anymore right now), we can't be that bad then huh? We reacted to that notice within a few hours too, as always.

We receive BY FAR less DMCA notices a day to our tube sites than the number of DMCA notices we our self SEND to other sites... it's a cost of doing business, live with it. We produce MUCH MORE content than you, and it looks like we have no problem with it.. maybe you should change your thinking...

You need to also stop dreaming these things about how tubes killed the industry, the industry is not dead, it MAKES MORE MONEY TODAY than it did a year ago! It's just _YOU_ that has fallen behind...

BTW, I have respect from enough people Steve, I do not need yours or your group of followers...

Don't worry. Steve thinks lawyers are all fairies and sunshines out for him and his precious world. He is clueless about lawyers and their jewish nature.

"The perfect jew move is when one thanks the jew move, oblivious to the fact that a jew move has occured." - Talmud

[DWB]

1) Steve is gay
2) Lightspeed is gay
3) Grooby is gay.
4) Everyone who agreed is gay.

Come on man, everyone is gay every once in a while.

[Robbie]

Don't worry. Steve thinks lawyers are all fairies and sunshines out for him and his precious world. He is clueless about lawyers and their jewish nature.

"The perfect jew move is when one thanks the jew move, oblivious to the fact that a jew move has occured." - Talmud

The attorneys are working on a percentage of settlements won. Steve isn't losing any money. He's making it.

[DWB]

The attorneys are working on a percentage of settlements won. Steve isn't losing any money. He's making it.

Yes Robbie, but you are an idiot. You don't know anything about the law or time-shifting. Have you not seen the cases from 2008? This is a losing battle and you just don't understand DMCA.

</gideongallery while blowing nathan>

[Robbie]

Yes Robbie, but you are an idiot. You don't know anything about the law or time-shifting. Have you not seen the cases from 2008? This is a losing battle and you just don't understand DMCA.

</gideongallery while blowing nathan>

It's okay, I'm hiring gideongallery as my main council and peterdrew1978 as his assistant. I can't lose!

[DWB]

It's okay, I'm hiring gideongallery as my main council and peterdrew1978 as his assistant. I can't lose!

As much as those two know, you should!

Boggles the mind what they are doing wasting their time here. They should be working for Nathan, or he should be working for them. Not sure who is more on top of shit (or full of it).

[Robbie]

Boggles the mind what they are doing wasting their time here.

There is starting to be a consensus among others in our business that I talk to that GFY is quickly becoming "pirate central"

Eric needs to clean this place out once and for all. Require EVERY member here to confirm to him and prove to him that they are in this business and NOT just a clown who comes here to praise piracy and the destruction of our very livelihoods.

This is supposed to be a forum for the adult industry. Not the fucks who have gutted it.

[johnsteele]

Interesting

I do not wish to engage in a tit for tat. And perhaps I am not used to the rough and tumble online blog sites, but:

1. Referring to me as Jewish in a derogatory way is offensive. And someone claiming to be an attorney while posting an anti-semitic rant on a public website is not exactly an authority on proper behavior. I would assume most anti-semite bigots know that Steele is not a jewish name BTW.

2. Referring to down loaders who go through the steps of downloading a bittorrent client, going to a bittorrent site, downloading an entire movie, and playing it on their computer as "innocent" is simply not credible, IMHO. Maybe a jury would disagree. To paraphrase, John Madden, that's why we go to trial.

3. 99.3% of all bittorrent date shared is illegal according to one study.

4. We work on contingency, which means that we have NEVER received a dime from Steve Lightspeed nor any of our clients. Not sure how I could "take their money".

5. Federal Court is a bit different than a church. I would submit that federal judges do not have a separate set of constitutional rights for Plaintiffs depending on a judge's moral beliefs. Too many bad movies out there created this misconception.

6. Violating a copyright is wrong. You can justify anything, from speeding to illegal copyright infringement. But thankfully in the court of law, excuses do not rise to affirmative defenses. That is why the US's criminal conviction rate is over 95%.

7. I am no expert on all things related to porn, but I find it hard to believe that a 'tube' site that has hundreds or thousands of copyrighted items placed on their site every day is receiving advice from the 'top anti-piracy law firm in the country' that everything is a-ok. If so, I am mistaken.

I do not wish to insult or attack anyone on this site and I am only giving my thoughts on these issues.

[Nathan]

johnsteele....


Re: 2) this is simply an opinion, has nothing to do with a law or not.. Simply that I do not see how you can safely blame every IP you find downloading a torrent..

Re: 7) No idea how this has to do with "things related to porn"... but maybe I just misunderstood you...

I am looking forward to hearing some true results in 6 months from now, how much was actually won money wise, how much was just settled, how much was not won. I would also love to hear if sales for steve in any way increased.

Sadly, I know the industry, and likely all info we receive will just be "all talk" and no facts...

[peterdrew1978]

steele dont u know what jew refers to ? not the race but the fact lawyers like you rip off clients. thats a jew move. To try and impose what an authority should behave on an internet forum, is sort of like Hitler dictating what people should do on the internet. Did you read the constitution and rights ? You obviously didn't, I question whether you really are an attorney. Your arguments are like those of a fresh undergrad who snorts coke because he got 170 on LSAT. In other words, you are way too immature Steele, and you lack fundamental understanding of how laws and cases have worked in this side of the law. You seem to have this magical dream of winning it against the odds, but from a few facts we can see you will be crushed like a bug.

1) You presented yourself very negatively as an "attorney" by telling people to shut up on internet.
2) You are telling other people to fuck off with your poorly constructed arguments
3) Denying and making lame excuses in what other people has already outlined for you as an extremely small odds in your favor for this case.

Steele you are better of presenting some mainstream company instead. However, the fact that you represent the porn industry in the court, this will be like shit that follow you everwhere. "Did you hear, Mr. Steele helps out the porn industry, you know where they pimp out young girls for perverts everywhere." "Hello This is Obama, I am not making you secretary of state because of your past history of protecting porn peddlers" "Daddy, what do you do ? Weel son, I help porn industry. Daddy, I am 8 what is Porn ? Let me show u son...."

us judgment has already ruled IP address does not mean the person downloaded from that, hence it is a very weak case. The IPs you provide are going to be thrown out in the beginning hearing your statement. There's always plausible deniability in the defense's argument that a compromised router or hacker could easil seed torrents on target's computers. but that only applies if you went after seeders, but you are so stupid to go after downloaders ! Going after downloaders don't work unless you are RIAA, which you are not. Porn Associate Of America? Good luck, since this country HATES porn and there's a group of people always doing their best to end porn producers.

you obviously is clueless about this part of the law, Nathan obviously has a lot better understanding and he didnt even pass the bar. continue making yourself an ass on here Steele.

I hope steve has thought out the potential backslash on a massive scale once this gets some media momentum. People everywhere would rip your content and spread it everywhere just for teh lulz. You now have that "4chan jihad" liability on your hands as a result of a bitch move by you.

[JFK]

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