Killing off File Lockers

[Robbie]

but only because tubes are far, far worse:

Hey, I have an idea...

Since AK has put his time and effort into going after File Lockers (you may have noticed the thread title)...AND he has now gotten payment processors to cut billing for sites offering pirated content...

How about YOU go after the tube sites?

AK has already laid out the map on how to do it. So just take what he learned and instead of trying to make him do all the work...you can tackle the tube side of it.

You seem to be pretty passionate about it.

If you read back at the very beginning...the file locker sites were arrogant and acted like assholes. It pissed AK off and he decided to SHOW them what one guy can do when he sets his mind to it.

You go after the tube sites the same way and it will be an awesome "one-two punch" with AK after file lockers and you after the tube sites.

[notjoe]

Hey, I have an idea...

Since AK has put his time and effort into going after File Lockers (you may have noticed the thread title)...AND he has now gotten payment processors to cut billing for sites offering pirated content...

How about YOU go after the tube sites?

AK has already laid out the map on how to do it. So just take what he learned and instead of trying to make him do all the work...you can tackle the tube side of it.

You seem to be pretty passionate about it.

If you read back at the very beginning...the file locker sites were arrogant and acted like assholes. It pissed AK off and he decided to SHOW them what one guy can do when he sets his mind to it.

You go after the tube sites the same way and it will be an awesome "one-two punch" with AK after file lockers and you after the tube sites.

but but but....weren't you defending tube sites and saying their content is legal...now you're telling someone to go after them?

[Robbie]

but but but....weren't you defending tube sites and saying their content is legal...now you're telling someone to go after them?

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about...

I've been one of the loudest guys screaming about piracy since the word "go".

You are mistaking me for somebody else.

[helterskelter808]

but but but....weren't you defending tube sites and saying their content is legal...now you're telling someone to go after them?

No, it's even wackier than that. He criticizes tubes, he knows they are by far the biggest problem, but then when someone else points that out, he criticizes that person for doing so.

[Three.Thousand]

ad networks is this years "tgp craze", new ones seem to pop over every day.
pirate sites will jizz in their pants having all these networks fight for their traffic.

[Robbie]

No, it's even wackier than that. He criticizes tubes, he knows they are by far the biggest problem, but then when someone else points that out, he criticizes that person for doing so.

I'm not criticizing you.

I'm asking you to do something about it. Do what AK is doing to file lockers. Is there anything stopping you?

The only one "criticizing" is you attacking AK. Stop asking why a guy who originally stated in the thread title that he is going to kill off File Lockers why he isn't killing tube sites.

Looks to me like his hands are full at the moment.

Help him out and go after the tube sites yourself.

[nikki99]

to the top

[Three.Thousand]

I'm not criticizing you.

I'm asking you to do something about it. Do what AK is doing to file lockers. Is there anything stopping you?

The only one "criticizing" is you attacking AK. Stop asking why a guy who originally stated in the thread title that he is going to kill off File Lockers why he isn't killing tube sites.

Looks to me like his hands are full at the moment.

Help him out and go after the tube sites yourself.

Stop making sense!

[AdultKing]

I agree they shouldn't be put in the same category, but only because tubes are far, far worse:

The raw hard facts demonstrate that they are not worse, file lockers and torrents are worse.

Is there a lot of free porn on tubes ? Yes absolutely.

Is there more pirated porn on tubes than file lockers ? Not even close.

1. The people who visit tubes are the natural paying customers of porn sites. People in developed countries, with credit cards, who want easy access to porn with no fuss. Whereas file lockers are used by people who wouldn't be paying for porn anyway, either because they are not old enough, because they live in the third world, or because they have the time/patience to jump through numerous hoops to get it free.

You make the assumption that all the porn on tubes is pirated. This is incorrect.

Tubes only get a fraction of the DMCA take down notices that file lockers and torrent trackers get. The reason for this is that the large tubes licence enormous amounts of content, partner accounts account for a large number of uploads to tube sites and the portion of piracy is relatively small.

2. The volume of content, which can only be a complete and utter guestimation anyway, is irrelevant. A 'file locker' some dude sets up in his bedroom could have (in theory) 10000 times as much content as Pornhub, in terms of GB; what matters is how many people access that content.

It is fact that most of the large file lockers operating are well planned out criminal conspiracies to commit commercial copyright infringement and to defraud users in several cases. Almost none of the content being shared on these sites is legally shared.

Further up you mention some file locker that reached the heights of 5000 on Alexa. IOW, 4900 places below every major tube site. The most popular tube site right now is a Top 50 Alexa site, with a higher global rank than PayPal itself.

When I started this project Netload, Hotfile and Deposit Files were in the top 500 on Alexa, now they have all dropped significantly since we have hit them and cut of their payment systems forcing them to adopt less user friendly payment options.

Rapidshare was even higher than that, however we brought about a situation where so much pressure was placed on the relationship between Rapidshare and Paypal that Rapidshare was forced to become more like a cloud storage provider and reduce the amount of piracy it harboured.

Hotfile was one of the biggest offenders and by proving the link between Hotfile and piracy/illegal content we were able to bring about the loss of Hotfile's Paypal account, something the movie studios weren't even able to do.

Unlike the largest tubes, none of the content shared by these file lockers is licensed.

The DMCA records of Google speak for themselves.

NETLOAD.IN

Total Requests: 6,286
Median Requests per Week: 75

URLs Requested to be Removed: 370,183
% Indexed URLs < 5%
Median URLs per Week: 2,960

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 27, 2011

XHAMSTER.COM

Total Requests: 532
Median Requests per Week: 5

URLs Requested to be Removed: 11,091
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 42

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Sep 2, 2011

If we look at these statistics dealing with only porn takedowns they become clearer

NETLOAD.IN: 129,572 DMCA notices relating to porn
XHAMSTER.COM: 9,492 DMCA notices relating to porn (yes people upload non porn to tubes)

Similar of stats, if not 'better', for Pornhub (US rank 35) and doubtless every other tube.

So what's the most popular file locker? For the sake of argument, let's say Rapidgator, (Global rank 385 - US rank 843).

As you compared Rapidgator to Pornhub lets run the same comparison.

RAPIDGATOR.COM

Total Requests: 19,563
Median Requests per Week: 307

URLs Requested to be Removed: 1,836,670
% Indexed URLs < 10%
Median URLs per Week: 14,173

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Feb 19, 2012

PORNHUB.COM

Total Requests: 817
Median Requests per Week: 7

URLs Requested to be Removed: 21,765
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 113

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 2, 2011

Now lets normalise the figures accounting for only Porn takedowns

RAPIDGATOR: 479,771
PORNHUB.COM: 20,001

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot the real difference between file lockers and tubes.

No, you don't and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what has been explained all the way through this thread either. The fact is that the quantity of DMCA notices issued against the big DMCA compliant tubes pales in comparison to the quantity of DMCA notices issued to file lockers.

No, it's even wackier than that. He criticizes tubes, he knows they are by far the biggest problem, but then when someone else points that out, he criticizes that person for doing so.

The fact is, that there is a lot of free porn on tubes. However that does not mean that they are worse when it comes to copyright infringement than file lockers, in fact they don't even come close.

Torrents and File Lockers are a far greater threat to intellectual property than the largest DMCA compliant tubes.

[LouiseLloyd]

The raw hard facts demonstrate that they are not worse, file lockers and torrents are worse.

Is there a lot of free porn on tubes ? Yes absolutely.

Is there more pirated porn on tubes than file lockers ? Not even close.




You make the assumption that all the porn on tubes is pirated. This is incorrect.

Tubes only get a fraction of the DMCA take down notices that file lockers and torrent trackers get. The reason for this is that the large tubes licence enormous amounts of content, partner accounts account for a large number of uploads to tube sites and the portion of piracy is relatively small.



It is fact that most of the large file lockers operating are well planned out criminal conspiracies to commit commercial copyright infringement and to defraud users in several cases. Almost none of the content being shared on these sites is legally shared.




When I started this project Netload, Hotfile and Deposit Files were in the top 500 on Alexa, now they have all dropped significantly since we have hit them and cut of their payment systems forcing them to adopt less user friendly payment options.

Rapidshare was even higher than that, however we brought about a situation where so much pressure was placed on the relationship between Rapidshare and Paypal that Rapidshare was forced to become more like a cloud storage provider and reduce the amount of piracy it harboured.

Hotfile was one of the biggest offenders and by proving the link between Hotfile and piracy/illegal content we were able to bring about the loss of Hotfile's Paypal account, something the movie studios weren't even able to do.

Unlike the largest tubes, none of the content shared by these file lockers is licensed.

The DMCA records of Google speak for themselves.

NETLOAD.IN

Total Requests: 6,286
Median Requests per Week: 75

URLs Requested to be Removed: 370,183
% Indexed URLs < 5%
Median URLs per Week: 2,960

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 27, 2011

XHAMSTER.COM

Total Requests: 532
Median Requests per Week: 5

URLs Requested to be Removed: 11,091
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 42

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Sep 2, 2011

If we look at these statistics dealing with only porn takedowns they become clearer

NETLOAD.IN: 129,572 DMCA notices relating to porn
XHAMSTER.COM: 9,492 DMCA notices relating to porn (yes people upload non porn to tubes)



As you compared Rapidgator to Pornhub lets run the same comparison.

RAPIDGATOR.COM

Total Requests: 19,563
Median Requests per Week: 307

URLs Requested to be Removed: 1,836,670
% Indexed URLs < 10%
Median URLs per Week: 14,173

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Feb 19, 2012

PORNHUB.COM

Total Requests: 817
Median Requests per Week: 7

URLs Requested to be Removed: 21,765
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 113

Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 2, 2011

Now lets normalise the figures accounting for only Porn takedowns

RAPIDGATOR: 479,771
PORNHUB.COM: 20,001



No, you don't and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what has been explained all the way through this thread either. The fact is that the quantity of DMCA notices issued against the big DMCA compliant tubes pales in comparison to the quantity of DMCA notices issued to file lockers.



The fact is, that there is a lot of free porn on tubes. However that does not mean that they are worse when it comes to copyright infringement than file lockers, in fact they don't even come close.

Torrents and File Lockers are a far greater threat to intellectual property than the largest DMCA compliant tubes.

Has Fabian got a big cock?

[MrDeiz]

sent $100 PayPal to support such a great effort

[Emma]

446,996 views for this thread

[pimpmaster9000]

^ The irony in that post is incredible. People are broke because of tubes. The same tubes that bankroll AK and the same tubes that AK bends over backwards to support.

It's hilarious watching him talk about going after file lockers that nobody has ever heard of, and "usenet servers" (every single one of which, that anyone has heard of, is taking Paypal as normal) and now ad networks. Anything but sub-100 Alexa tubes that millions of people visit every single day.

It's nice that he's sincerely thinking so much about the children too. I'm sure the record of tubes on hosting underage porn is as pristine as their record on hosting stolen content.

you invested in file lockers didnt you?

[AdultKing]

Download No Limit are now the premier source of funding to many file lockers and as such we will be turning our attention to them.

Sites that process payments through the Download No Limit reseller not only engage in the sale of copyright content but also make illegal content such as child pornography and bestiality available.

We will be referring such matters to various agencies to ensure that Download No Limit are shut down and can no longer provide a crutch to the distribution of copyright infringing and unlawful content.

sent $100 PayPal to support such a great effort

Thank you

[baggg]

This guy is promoting/selling cracked software on gfy

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1111310

[johnnyloadproductions]

This guy is promoting/selling cracked software on gfy

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1111310

Though AK does do micro intervention, it's too much of a suck on the energy and time reserve.

The money goes, so do the illegal services. That's the merchant accounts are being killed off.

If you're a bad person but can exchange money, there will always be people who will do business with you quietly.
If you have no money or little money, even if you're a good person, hardly anyone is going to help you out of the goodness of their own heart in porn.

As my grandpa jokes: Love does some things, money does all.

[MrDeiz]

AK - you've got an email

[nikki99]

bump AK kill

[AdultKing]

We're continuing to shut down eBay sellers of file locker accounts. This has become a way some file lockers have been circumventing the restriction by Paypal of their services.

Other file lockers have moved to Download No Limit, who are being aided by the supposed anti-piracy outfit ACIUF. Download No Limit and ACIUF seem to think that posting a few file take downs on their site will shield them from the inevitable shut down of their operation, which is what we are working toward.

File Lockers are taking various measures to combat our actions against them, some are shaving from their affiliate sales, others are delaying payments to uploaders or deleting files so that they do not have to pay their uploaders.

There is no doubt that as time goes on, many of these sites are finding it harder and harder to stay in business.

[adultmobile]

ACIUF. and ACIUF.

This ACIUF ACIUF sounds like sneeze its funny to me

[Robbie]

AK, just curious...is there any hope that both Visa, MC, AMEX, Discover, etc. could be on the verge of refusing to process for any website that contains or advertises on pirated/stolen/copyright infringed content?

Once that happens it is "game over" for piracy.

Do you have a feeling that the credit card companies might be moving toward that?

[JimmyStephans]

I can't speak for AK or his experience but my feeling is that the card companies have always wanted to stay away from piracy like they do from other illegal activities.

The issue becomes managing the websites, reviewing them, etc. Who decides if it is piracy?

To experienced webmasters like you and I we can see it instantly and understand the process the pirates are using to make dollars.

Can an executive at Visa corporate headquarters do the same?

Would Visa and the others invest in creating an entirely new department to review piracy complaints?

I don't think so... They may say they will, may put out a press release, may even create a page where we could report, but to actually investigate and take action... nah... not likely unless somebody stays on them day after day after day.

To them, because they don't see themselves being hurt, they just don't take the time or make the investment.

[EriktheRabbit]

filesmonster.com/reseller/list/ - If all those billers are active its a sick day.

found them from this list of theft sites and blogs

sweetporn.org/
yourpornblog.org/ - with straight porn (Amateur, Anal, Oral, Ethnic, Teens, Orgies, Retro, Masturbation, etc...)
yourfetishblog.org/ - fetish porn (bdsm, bukkake, femdom, pregnant, piss, etc...)
yourhentaiblog.org/ - for hentai lovers
yourgayblog.org/ - for gay and bi-sexual lovers
yourshemaleblog.org/ - for shemale lovers
- Leon (Site Owner and Admin)

[AdultKing]

AK, just curious...is there any hope that both Visa, MC, AMEX, Discover, etc. could be on the verge of refusing to process for any website that contains or advertises on pirated/stolen/copyright infringed content?

Right now the focus is on file lockers and shutting off all of their various forms of payment processing. To this end there is action on merchant accounts, however I will not expand beyond that in a public forum as I do not wish to reveal any information which might help the bad guys.

I can't speak for AK or his experience but my feeling is that the card companies have always wanted to stay away from piracy like they do from other illegal activities.

The card associations have IP policies. However the cards associations are just one part of a very complex system which takes in processors, acquiring banks and other vendors such as transaction operations that perform the online interface but do not actually hold responsibility for the merchant relationship.

The process of dealing with these issues requires evidence based investigation and properly sanctioned complaints to be made in accordance with the IP and other policies of the card associations.

filesmonster.com/reseller/list/ - If all those billers are active its a sick day

You will find that many of the payment methods of those resellers are no longer available to them. We are very successful in curtailing resellers using companies like Paypal, Moneybookers, Payza etc.

[nikki99]

to the top

[naughtylaura]

To the inevitable death of this industry.

Yours Truly,
Upload Monkey

[MrDeiz]

my ask was ignored (

[adultmobile]

You will find that many of the payment methods of those resellers are no longer available to them. We are very successful in curtailing resellers using companies like Paypal, Moneybookers, Payza etc.

Just seen this comment in a pirate forum: "I want to buy a rapidstation's premium account, is it safe ? the order process looks a bit phisy ... first rapidstation.com->http://www.downloadnolimit.com/->Bytheseller->GoPay.cz ... why are there so many subsites ?"

I was tempted to reply: "It is because of AK, look this GFY thread"

Anyway do you know of those french "debrid" sites: http://real-debrid.com/ (http://real-debrid.fr), http://www.multi-debrid.com/ , http://simply-debrid.com/ , http://www.mega-debrid.eu/ , http://www.alldebrid.fr (http://www.alldebrid.com ) ... so one guy spend just $9 a month with cc (had paypal too before) to have (indirectly) access to dozens of different file hosters at once, some of which got no cc pay options active. It is even cheaper than buy a premium access host by host. Those debrid sites buys premium accounts on all hosters on own (debrid) site name; then the debrid user enters the file he wants to download in debrid site; and debrid site forwards that file to the debrid user. They even provide a torrent to debrid service, you ask a torrent, they download it for you and put in debrid site page.

What's interesting real-debrid.com added support of bitcoin, I think via bitpay:
https://www.facebook.com/realdeb/posts/571785519498493

[DWB]

108 pages... damn.

[adultmobile]

108 pages... damn.

Do you know I was thinking the asian in your avatar:

It was a girl until I seen its a boy when someone posted the full image

[AdultKing]

MrDeiz: your request wasn't ignored. Just give me a day or so.

Debrid sites are being targeted all of the time, many have been killed, more have lost payment processing. You can report them to us and we will action them.

We've forced a lot of file lockers into reseller type arrangements to make sales, this makes buyers nervous and we also place pressure on resellers by terminating their payment processing arrangements.

As for Upload Monkey, the file locker industry is dying, hope you enjoy our future action.

[Marquis85]

MrDeiz: your request wasn't ignored. Just give me a day or so.

Debrid sites are being targeted all of the time, many have been killed, more have lost payment processing. You can report them to us and we will action them.

We've forced a lot of file lockers into reseller type arrangements to make sales, this makes buyers nervous and we also place pressure on resellers by terminating their payment processing arrangements.

As for Upload Monkey, the file locker industry is dying, hope you enjoy our future action.

I've been following this thread closely since it started - AK you're fucking awesome. Thank you for the excellent work

[helterskelter808]

Do you know I was thinking the asian in your avatar:

It was a girl until I seen its a boy when someone posted the full image

He seems to think it's a girl too.

[dgraves]

While tracking down my stolen videos, I noticed RapidGator.net is loaded with layers of pop-ups lately. Has anyone else noticed this?

[AdultKing]

While tracking down my stolen videos, I noticed RapidGator.net is loaded with layers of pop-ups lately. Has anyone else noticed this?

Rapidgator are looking for new ways to monetize as we and others are making life very difficult for them.

We are actually about to start targeting uploaders to Rapidgator directly, a process which will cause monumental pain to the uploader community involved with this site.

[DWB]

Do you know I was thinking the asian in your avatar:

It was a girl until I seen its a boy when someone posted the full image

That was the point. But if you can be fooled, you can probably imagine how horny it makes surfers who are into the niche. $$$$$

We've forced a lot of file lockers into reseller type arrangements to make sales, this makes buyers nervous and we also place pressure on resellers by terminating their payment processing arrangements.

As for Upload Monkey, the file locker industry is dying, hope you enjoy our future action.

Boo-yaa!

[dgraves]

Rapidgator are looking for new ways to monetize as we and others are making life very difficult for them.

We are actually about to start targeting uploaders to Rapidgator directly, a process which will cause monumental pain to the uploader community involved with this site.

I wasn't sure if it was something they set up that was IP specific to mess with DMCA submitters. If it's not then it looks very desperate.

[AdultKing]

We are ramping up action against some larger file lockers.

I'd like to remind everyone to cc copies of their DMCA notices to [email protected]

[dgraves]

We are ramping up action against some larger file lockers.

I'd like to remind everyone to cc copies of their DMCA notices to [email protected]

I've been cc'ing you on each DMCA I submit. Have you been getting them?

[PromoterX]

I sometimes wonder if shills around here keep the whole "Tube" argument going just to keep focus off file lockers.

I also wonder if some of those same people might actually be running a file locker themselves.

[AdultKing]

I've been cc'ing you on each DMCA I submit. Have you been getting them?

All DMCA's received at [email protected] are parsed automatically and add to our targeting database.

If there are specific and problematic repeat issues feel free to email [email protected] (just don't every DMCA there as this email is for escalations)

[AdultKing]

We're continuing with our push against resellers of file locker accounts.

One site especially problematic is DownloadNoLimit.com

Those following the thread might remember that ACIUF headed by Sybrand Kuppens has actually partnered with this ostensibly illegal operation that is helping the worst of the worst file lockers to monetize their theft.

Our aim is to cut DownloadNoLimit off from all forms of payment processing and we expect to be able to hit their ability to process credit cards in the near future.

[adultmobile]

AK any comment on Epoch join forms now accepting Paypal for europe countries?

[AdultKing]

AK any comment on Epoch join forms now accepting Paypal for europe countries?

I can't comment.

[Triple-A]

*love this thread*

[johnnyloadproductions]

Let's see a hit list, or a victim list.

[AdultKing]

In recent weeks we have shut down many hundreds of eBay auctions for file locker vouchers and accounts, with action being taken against the accounts of those listing the items and Paypal also dealing with the accounts.

We've also been taking direct action against uploaders and have had peer to peer payment accounts shut down with more to come.

There's been some movement against some of the largest reseller sites, who feel quite safe at the moment, however we have a nasty surprise in store for them.

[Triple-A]

this thread gives me Trouser Arousal (tm Chief)

[adultmobile]

There's been some movement against some of the largest reseller sites, who feel quite safe at the moment, however we have a nasty surprise in store for them.

[JimmyStephans]

AK, whats the latest link or information to donate?