OK, be honest...how bad are your sales? - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 02-06-2009, 07:44 PM

I remember you used to just get some SE traffic and you could convert shit all day long...my affiliate stuff is SO BAD this month, if it were to stay this way, I'd just have to close up shop...and I know what I'm doing...I've done this for 10 years!

So, be honest, drop the egos...how far down are your sales from 1 year ago?

RKLover · 02-06-2009, 07:45 PM

sales?

what sales??

fatfoo · 02-07-2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKLover

sales?

what sales??

Mine are 25% off...

Barefootsies · 02-06-2009, 07:47 PM

I have been on the 1st page for my keyword/phrase in SERPS for years on one of my celebrity sites. I do not think SE means as much in adult as it does in mainstream.

I think adult is more about that cliche where you see the same site 100 times over, and then you click through. Or movement on the banner ads, and some other quirks.

Sales not down. HOW I get the sales has changed a bit however. Especially on sites that are membership, versus clip stores, and DVD...

WiredGuy · 02-06-2009, 07:55 PM

About 75-80% lower than previous years. The game has definitely changed.
WG

chupachups · 02-06-2009, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

About 75-80% lower than previous years. The game has definitely changed.
WG

Thats a serious drop WG - far too big..

JD · 02-06-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

About 75-80% lower than previous years. The game has definitely changed.
WG

god damn man

Pornless · 02-06-2009, 07:57 PM

Mo' Money Bitches!

spacedog · 02-06-2009, 08:03 PM

definitely down, but fortunately I expanded my market and reach to compensate for it and it's paying off. Hopefully things will continue to climb up.

TeenCat · 02-06-2009, 08:14 PM

not long in adult, but i used to have range of sponsors with few sales per month to each, now i have three big sponsors that are making me money, the rest is just few sales monthly. cams goes down 500%. if those three ponsors will drop i am lost

qxm · 02-06-2009, 08:15 PM

Whut r these "sales" u guys talk 'bout?

WiredGuy · 02-06-2009, 08:15 PM

Consider I bought a lot of traffic from Yahoo/Google and cut all those media buys too, so its relative.
WG

Agent 488 · 02-06-2009, 08:16 PM

the economy has been in free fall for over a year - and there are a couple more years to go at least.

mynameisjim · 02-06-2009, 08:18 PM

Anyone with enough stable traffic to matter has noticed a drop. It's the most noticeable on the affiliate side for sure.

teg0 · 02-06-2009, 08:19 PM

Im about 50% of what I was last year in adult. I'm still killing it in mainstream though. I know its the common complaint, but as tube sites picked up, my stats went down.

Robbie · 02-06-2009, 08:19 PM

50% drop in just 3 months time. Too many people losing their jobs and the ones who haven't are scared and cutting out some luxuries. My thought is it's temporary. And porn will once again start doing well along with alcohol, movies, live entertainment, etc. Last time I saw this was in the late 1970's and early 1980's when unemployment was even worse than it is now...and the bar business was BOOMING. Just have to get past these first few months of fear that people have and then they will settle back in and figure out a way to afford their vices one way or another.

Shap · 02-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Our January Twistys sales are up huge over last January.
Our tgps are down year over year. Probably about 35%.
Our tubes are obviously way up year over year.

So overall somehow we are up substantially January 09 vs January 08. That said we have a larger and more talented staff than ever before. We are working harder and more focused than ever before. And we are optimizing more than ever before. So we are up but it's not by sitting around and doing nothing. We are busting it very hard.

AmeliaG · 02-06-2009, 08:26 PM

Not really down, but I'm grinding out so much more work to bring home the same thing, and I wasn't exactly slacking before. A lot of the work seems to not pay off the same way too, like something which would have for sure had an awesome ROI a few years back is just kinda there now, so it makes choosing projects way harder and ad budgets have to go way farther because it takes ten times as many eyeballs to make the same dollar.

Nicky · 02-06-2009, 08:27 PM

No bullshit, they are much higher. Does have a bit to do with that I actually work now day's LOL

fujiko · 02-06-2009, 11:18 PM

sales come in good.. but it takes so much work now, that if I were to explain it.. I would write exactly what "AmeliaG" just wrote.

Kron · 02-06-2009, 11:21 PM

20-25% drop

V_RocKs · 02-06-2009, 11:38 PM

I misread your question and answers...

I put 100% as though you were asking how are they now compared with last year.. Basically the same.

DirtyDanza · 02-06-2009, 11:48 PM

Im about the same to be honest...

granted im not dealing with the traffic as I would like to be... the conversions are still there... for 08-and so far of 09 I still hold about 1/323 conversions....

so traffic is down big time over the last few years... but conversions are still the same

st0ned · 02-07-2009, 12:14 AM

I am up about 25-35% over this time last year. I haven't been in the game as long as many of you have so I can't gauge too far back. I have noticed a decrease in sales for a number of sponsors I push but others have increased to pick up the slack.

02-07-2009, 12:19 AM

Well if I would count only adult paysite sales (without cams, dating, rx, etc..) it would be definitely 50 - 60% lower. But counting all sales, I'm average.

Though February is fucking miserable

Kimmykim · 02-07-2009, 12:33 AM

Interesting question Jay. Being in processing we see the actual numbers, and where they come from.

Not too pretty right now.

SteveHardeman · 02-07-2009, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Interesting question Jay. Being in processing we see the actual numbers, and where they come from.

Not too pretty right now.

To me, this is the most relavant answer. An aggregate of everything rather than individuals.

Since I've only been in the business for 1.5 years my answer would not be relavent but this is an informative thread so bump.

stevo · 02-07-2009, 12:35 AM

My 50% drop started January 2008 - about the same time tube traffic exploded.

My sales ratios are still about equal - it's just my traffic sources are down. Most of my traffic is MGP/TGP generated. Tubes are taking over. A lot of MGP/TGP's that are still alive have switched to hosted galleries. Most paid partner accounts are unprofitable.

I'll be good as long as i can increase my traffic levels, but it's a pretty big challenge so far.

spacedog · 02-07-2009, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo

My 50% drop started January 2008 - about the same time tube traffic exploded.

.

What a coincidence.. that's when shit started going downhill for me too

Agent 488 · 02-07-2009, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

What a coincidence.. that's when shit started going downhill for me too

and the same time the US went in a recession.

BV · 02-07-2009, 12:37 AM

40% down.

Mr Pheer · 02-07-2009, 12:47 AM

I have much more traffic and signups than I had a year ago. But for the past two months, the fucking credits and chargebacks have gone thru the roof.

Glad I have alot of non-adult stuff running to offset the adult crap running on autopilot.

CybermedAndy · 02-07-2009, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I have much more traffic and signups than I had a year ago. But for the past two months, the fucking credits and chargebacks have gone thru the roof.

Glad I have alot of non-adult stuff running to offset the adult crap running on autopilot.

Yep we've had noticeable increase in chargebacks as well

WiredGuy · 02-07-2009, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I have much more traffic and signups than I had a year ago. But for the past two months, the fucking credits and chargebacks have gone thru the roof.

Glad I have alot of non-adult stuff running to offset the adult crap running on autopilot.

Is the CB's you're getting on adult or mainstream too?
WG

Trend · 02-07-2009, 01:42 AM

Nov and Dec 08 were terrific. Jan 09 was "ok" February has been horrible thus far. It's a bit unsettling.

Mr Pheer · 02-07-2009, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Is the CB's you're getting on adult or mainstream too?
WG

Just on adult.

jact · 02-07-2009, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I have much more traffic and signups than I had a year ago. But for the past two months, the fucking credits and chargebacks have gone thru the roof.

Glad I have alot of non-adult stuff running to offset the adult crap running on autopilot.

We had our worst ever chargeback month in December, we hit 0.4%, we average 0.1%. I have noticed that our support department is dealing with a lot more agro users that are threatening to bark at authorities if you don't issue them a credit immediately recently. Never seen those before... Fucking economy, driving everyone batty.

polish_aristocrat · 02-07-2009, 06:51 AM

state of this industry should be determined by how google traffic searching for "hot teens" or "hardcore porn" converts and not by how Barefootsies manages to grow his loyal surfers fanbase and implementing innovative techniques

bottom line: it gets worse and worse, but that doesn't mean that people/companies still can't grow

Barefootsies · 02-07-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

state of this industry should be determined by how google traffic searching for "hot teens" or "hardcore porn" converts and not by how Barefootsies manages to grow his loyal surfers fanbase and implementing innovative techniques

bottom line: it gets worse and worse, but that doesn't mean that people/companies still can't grow

Thanks tootsie.

As I have said in other similar threads. HOW I make my nut has changed. It used to be majority memberships, and the rest was gravy. Now it is either shifted for the month, or balances out between clip store, membership, custom work, DVD, and so on. I make my money, but HOW I do it has significantly changed.

Also, traffic patterns have become very unstable and erratic. I typically do not buy traffic unless I am launching something new. So I am not referring to that kind of traffic sources.

Lastly, keep in mind that I have name recognition, and 11 years of brand and trust in my niche. So not only do I know foot fetish to the bone so to speak. I also am known and trusted to the point others are not. I have had members, and customers, for different foot sites, clip stores, etc. that have been with me the whole time! I have interacted with them on forums, or message boards, so they have a feeling they know me. I am easily accessible.

What I am getting at is. I do a lot of things different then some faceless online porn monolith or conglomerate.

Oracle Porn · 02-07-2009, 01:12 AM

happy to say im up about %15-%25 since last year....although working harder and sending a lot more traffic to sponsors its certainly isn't what it was...

bdld · 02-07-2009, 01:47 AM

i'd estimate about 15% down from the same time in '08.

jact · 02-07-2009, 02:05 AM

After almost three years of painful restructuring, Homegrown is showing amazing growth month after month. Much like Twistys, we have far more talent and we're a lot more focused then we have ever been. There are still sales to be had, if you're poised for them correctly. In fact, we just expanded our team by two new members this week. I'm very excited to see where this year takes us.

Iron Fist · 02-07-2009, 06:54 AM

You mean I can make money being something they call "an affiliate"?

Fuck!

MRock · 02-07-2009, 08:42 AM

It ain't pretty out there, that's for sure. My situation is like many that posted before. I am working twice as hard as before for the money. My website sales are flat on transactions, but money is up because I raised prices. I try to launch a new income stream every month to help deversify the income and keep building things.

Thanks to XXJay for the real business thread and to the others that seem to have posted honest answers. Everyone hang in there. I believe like Robbie does, it will settle in a few months and the money will start to come back ... slowly ...

wyldblyss · 02-07-2009, 07:17 AM

I really respect companies that aren't afraid to say "We are down". Gosh, in this economy, how can a lot of people NOT be down.

CurrentlySober · 02-07-2009, 08:00 AM

i like sales as much as i like poo

fuzebox · 02-07-2009, 09:09 AM

My conversion ratios are down, but my traffic is way up to compensate. Also I started my own paysites exactly a year ago which so far have been pretty good... So yeah 2008 was my biggest year in the last 5, and this year is looking to be better.

PSSuperstars · 02-07-2009, 09:12 AM

We're about 10-15% off where we should be... about 8% down in sales.. but our projected growth would've had us far higher than we are...

Second week in the month is RAPING us.. all other weeks in the month are banging.. and it's been like that since about October.. I think that's when cc statements go out...

sgadmin · 02-07-2009, 09:23 AM

My site started at zero, so it could only improve. Sales have gone up each month, and it still has rebills from last March, when it launched.

As an affiliate, I mostly push webcams. Sales are down, but because of revshare, commissions are about the same.

DaddyHalbucks · 02-07-2009, 09:31 AM

There has been a huge drop, no doubt. Fortunately, I keep adding stuff to compensate, and it is working.

View Poll Results: How far off are your sales from 1 year ago?
10%	11	4.07%
25%	66	24.44%
50%	59	21.85%
75%	28	10.37%
100%	6	2.22%
200%	5	1.85%
I'm in the negative!	10	3.70%
I am making more money!	85	31.48%
Voters: 270. You may not vote on this poll

02-06-2009, 07:44 PM	#1
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02-06-2009, 07:45 PM	#2
RKLover Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 222	sales? what sales?? __________________ There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force. EighteenCams.Net

02-06-2009, 07:47 PM	#4
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 41,285	I have been on the 1st page for my keyword/phrase in SERPS for years on one of my celebrity sites. I do not think SE means as much in adult as it does in mainstream. I think adult is more about that cliche where you see the same site 100 times over, and then you click through. Or movement on the banner ads, and some other quirks. Sales not down. HOW I get the sales has changed a bit however. Especially on sites that are membership, versus clip stores, and DVD... __________________ BlazingSwitch VPS / 1G Port Available / Starting @ $5.95 \| 25 Mbps Unmetered (16TB) Bandwidth Dual Core/2GB/200GB HD @ $25.00/month \| 50 Mbps UNMETERED “Would you rather have me lie. Take a piece of your pie and say bye. Or be honest and rub your thighs”

02-06-2009, 07:55 PM	#5
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada Posts: 34,897	About 75-80% lower than previous years. The game has definitely changed. WG __________________ I molest Google for a living.

02-06-2009, 07:57 PM	#8
Pornless PORNLESS? Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,302	Mo' Money Bitches! __________________ ☆ PORNLESS? ☆ My top list has over 40,000 daily visitors. Are you pornless?

02-06-2009, 08:03 PM	#9
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,582	definitely down, but fortunately I expanded my market and reach to compensate for it and it's paying off. Hopefully things will continue to climb up.

02-06-2009, 08:14 PM	#10
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 12,510	not long in adult, but i used to have range of sponsors with few sales per month to each, now i have three big sponsors that are making me money, the rest is just few sales monthly. cams goes down 500%. if those three ponsors will drop i am lost

02-06-2009, 08:15 PM	#11
qxm Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,975	Whut r these "sales" u guys talk 'bout? __________________ ICQ: 266990876

02-06-2009, 08:16 PM	#13
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,456	the economy has been in free fall for over a year - and there are a couple more years to go at least.

02-06-2009, 08:18 PM	#14
mynameisjim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,986	Anyone with enough stable traffic to matter has noticed a drop. It's the most noticeable on the affiliate side for sure. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

02-06-2009, 08:19 PM	#15
teg0 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,111	Im about 50% of what I was last year in adult. I'm still killing it in mainstream though. I know its the common complaint, but as tube sites picked up, my stats went down.

02-06-2009, 08:19 PM	#16
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 14,260	50% drop in just 3 months time. Too many people losing their jobs and the ones who haven't are scared and cutting out some luxuries. My thought is it's temporary. And porn will once again start doing well along with alcohol, movies, live entertainment, etc. Last time I saw this was in the late 1970's and early 1980's when unemployment was even worse than it is now...and the bar business was BOOMING. Just have to get past these first few months of fear that people have and then they will settle back in and figure out a way to afford their vices one way or another. __________________ -Robbie Claudia-Marie.Com SOLO SLUT CASH

02-06-2009, 08:24 PM	#17
Shap Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 7,615	Our January Twistys sales are up huge over last January. Our tgps are down year over year. Probably about 35%. Our tubes are obviously way up year over year. So overall somehow we are up substantially January 09 vs January 08. That said we have a larger and more talented staff than ever before. We are working harder and more focused than ever before. And we are optimizing more than ever before. So we are up but it's not by sitting around and doing nothing. We are busting it very hard. __________________ Living The Dream http://mrshap.com

02-06-2009, 08:26 PM	#18
AmeliaG Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 7,209	Not really down, but I'm grinding out so much more work to bring home the same thing, and I wasn't exactly slacking before. A lot of the work seems to not pay off the same way too, like something which would have for sure had an awesome ROI a few years back is just kinda there now, so it makes choosing projects way harder and ad budgets have to go way farther because it takes ten times as many eyeballs to make the same dollar. __________________ Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com ICQ 337070007 Promote via either CCBill or Epoch tours.

02-06-2009, 08:27 PM	#19
Nicky EuroRevenue.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 28,257	No bullshit, they are much higher. Does have a bit to do with that I actually work now day's LOL __________________ €30-42 per trial or 70% rev-share on exclusive niche sites \| Best bukkake and cum-shot sponsor \| Weekly payouts through Paxum, check or wire \| Top converting EXCLUSIVE GAY site Bukkake Boys. Email: Nicky @ Eurorevenue.com ICQ: 62777655 Euro Revenue

02-06-2009, 11:18 PM	#20
fujiko Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 564	sales come in good.. but it takes so much work now, that if I were to explain it.. I would write exactly what "AmeliaG" just wrote. __________________ .

02-06-2009, 11:21 PM	#21
Kron Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,670	20-25% drop __________________ I dont exchange money!

02-06-2009, 11:38 PM	#22
V_RocKs Sooo fucken bannned!! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,046	I misread your question and answers... I put 100% as though you were asking how are they now compared with last year.. Basically the same.

02-06-2009, 11:48 PM	#23
DirtyDanza Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,375	Im about the same to be honest... granted im not dealing with the traffic as I would like to be... the conversions are still there... for 08-and so far of 09 I still hold about 1/323 conversions.... so traffic is down big time over the last few years... but conversions are still the same __________________ Promote AFF here Skype = cabdlv icq= 164317652

02-07-2009, 12:14 AM	#24
st0ned Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 7,898	I am up about 25-35% over this time last year. I haven't been in the game as long as many of you have so I can't gauge too far back. I have noticed a decrease in sales for a number of sponsors I push but others have increased to pick up the slack. __________________ !!! NEXT LEVEL DATING - $100 PPS !!! [New dating site with virtual world offering $100pps, $10ppl, or 75%rev] Contact me: adulttrafficnetwork\| @ \|gmail.com

02-07-2009, 12:19 AM	#25
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	Well if I would count only adult paysite sales (without cams, dating, rx, etc..) it would be definitely 50 - 60% lower. But counting all sales, I'm average. Though February is fucking miserable

02-07-2009, 12:33 AM	#26
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,408	Interesting question Jay. Being in processing we see the actual numbers, and where they come from. Not too pretty right now.

02-07-2009, 12:35 AM	#28
stevo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,100	My 50% drop started January 2008 - about the same time tube traffic exploded. My sales ratios are still about equal - it's just my traffic sources are down. Most of my traffic is MGP/TGP generated. Tubes are taking over. A lot of MGP/TGP's that are still alive have switched to hosted galleries. Most paid partner accounts are unprofitable. I'll be good as long as i can increase my traffic levels, but it's a pretty big challenge so far.

02-07-2009, 12:37 AM	#31
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 11,403	40% down. __________________ BVBucks.com & BVCash.com All exclusive sites & content since 1998.

02-07-2009, 12:47 AM	#32
Mr Pheer So Fucking Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Outer Space Posts: 13,000	I have much more traffic and signups than I had a year ago. But for the past two months, the fucking credits and chargebacks have gone thru the roof. Glad I have alot of non-adult stuff running to offset the adult crap running on autopilot. __________________ LEAD WRENCH - Stop leaving money on the table with your dating leads

02-07-2009, 01:42 AM	#35
Trend Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mexico and Midwest Posts: 452	Nov and Dec 08 were terrific. Jan 09 was "ok" February has been horrible thus far. It's a bit unsettling.

02-07-2009, 06:51 AM	#38
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 42,852	state of this industry should be determined by how google traffic searching for "hot teens" or "hardcore porn" converts and not by how Barefootsies manages to grow his loyal surfers fanbase and implementing innovative techniques bottom line: it gets worse and worse, but that doesn't mean that people/companies still can't grow __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

02-07-2009, 01:12 AM	#40
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 23,289	happy to say im up about %15-%25 since last year....although working harder and sending a lot more traffic to sponsors its certainly isn't what it was... __________________ *I LOVE WEBAIR!* icq: 94399723

02-07-2009, 01:47 AM	#41
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 12,076	i'd estimate about 15% down from the same time in '08. __________________ im selling text links on 778 domain network, email me for more info: bdld.sites@gmail.com

02-07-2009, 02:05 AM	#42
jact Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,916	After almost three years of painful restructuring, Homegrown is showing amazing growth month after month. Much like Twistys, we have far more talent and we're a lot more focused then we have ever been. There are still sales to be had, if you're poised for them correctly. In fact, we just expanded our team by two new members this week. I'm very excited to see where this year takes us. __________________ Free agent Last edited by jact; 02-07-2009 at 02:07 AM..

02-07-2009, 06:54 AM	#43
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,408	You mean I can make money being something they call "an affiliate"? Fuck! __________________ Ex Girlfriend Porn Blog

02-07-2009, 08:42 AM	#44
MRock Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 251	It ain't pretty out there, that's for sure. My situation is like many that posted before. I am working twice as hard as before for the money. My website sales are flat on transactions, but money is up because I raised prices. I try to launch a new income stream every month to help deversify the income and keep building things. Thanks to XXJay for the real business thread and to the others that seem to have posted honest answers. Everyone hang in there. I believe like Robbie does, it will settle in a few months and the money will start to come back ... slowly ... __________________ Sell more Jill: Strapon Gurl Clips - Pixaloons Video Clips - Busty Smoker Clips

02-07-2009, 07:17 AM	#45
wyldblyss Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,782	I really respect companies that aren't afraid to say "We are down". Gosh, in this economy, how can a lot of people NOT be down.

02-07-2009, 08:00 AM	#46
CurrentlySober Doing my BEST... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: To stay SOBER... Posts: 18,109	i like sales as much as i like poo __________________ Making Money in a Micro Niche - A 'Ref-Link' free - Tutorial for noobies