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Old 04-22-2012, 08:00 PM   #1
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unknown unsigned artist trying to use the pirate bay to get on the charts

no media buys
no record label

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...g-charts.shtml

and he is giving away all the music for free on torrents so you don't have to pay him a dime if you don't want to.


but wait porno jew and kane said it was impossible

you could only be successful if you were already famous because of a record deal.
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dear gidiot, when another can replicate this without being a file sharing gimmick artist with songs like "Sharing is Caring" let me know.
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:17 PM   #3
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dear gidiot, when another can replicate this without being a file sharing gimmick artist with songs like "Sharing is Caring" let me know.
already done

his name was jonathan coulton

code monkey charted

and so did
portal song he wrote for the game

and

lindsey stirling

and

so has zoe keating

. Zoë's self-produced album One Cello x 16: Natoma has four times made it to #1 on the iTunes classical charts.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:10 PM   #4
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already done

his name was jonathan coulton

code monkey charted

and so did
portal song he wrote for the game

and

lindsey stirling

and

so has zoe keating

. Zoë's self-produced album One Cello x 16: Natoma has four times made it to #1 on the iTunes classical charts.
who, who who and who????
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:54 AM   #5
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who, who who and who????
exactly the point

all those artist became number 1 on charts without a massive media push that made them a house hold name

And they didn't have to give the record companies 95% to do it.
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exactly the point

all those artist became number 1 on charts without a massive media push that made them a house hold name

And they didn't have to give the record companies 95% to do it.
95% of zero. Woohoo! You are a total idiot.
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Steve Lightspeed should use pirate bay for promotion.
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I never said you can't be successful without record labels. I said you can't be a super star without record labels.

Get back to me when he sells out a world tour where every stop has 10,000+ seats.
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I never said you can't be successful without record labels. I said you can't be a super star without record labels.

Get back to me when he sells out a world tour where every stop has 10,000+ seats.
1. name one artist who has done that even big names like micheal jackson and the beatles played some smaller venues on their tours.

2. at the current rates taken by the studio and the tour managers/agents zoe keating make more money selling out 1750 seat art theater then she does on a 10k + stadium.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ck-stars.shtml

unless you are in the top 200 tours ASCAP just takes money from your pocket if you play a larger theater.


so just like the music selling examples

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ing-without-me
77k kickstarter campaign is the equivalent to an established artist selling

1.7 million in record sales.

do an apples to apples comparision (money in your pocket)
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1. name one artist who has done that even big names like micheal jackson and the beatles played some smaller venues on their tours.

2. at the current rates taken by the studio and the tour managers/agents zoe keating make more money selling out 1750 seat art theater then she does on a 10k + stadium.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ck-stars.shtml

unless you are in the top 200 tours ASCAP just takes money from your pocket if you play a larger theater.


so just like the music selling examples

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ing-without-me
77k kickstarter campaign is the equivalent to an established artist selling

1.7 million in record sales.

do an apples to apples comparision (money in your pocket)
You are trying to deflect.

I will say it again.

I never said that an artist can't be successful without a major label. I know for a fact that they can be. In some cases they can make more money selling significantly fewer records on their own than they would if they were on a major label because the label isn't taking most of the profit.

What I said is that you can't be a superstar without being on a major label. If you want to be an indie who makes a few bucks and makes a living and does their own thing, great. These days you can stay out of the major label system. If you want to be U2 or Taylor Swift or Bruce Springsteen or Britney Spears you have to be on a major label because you will need their money, influence and connections to get your name out there on the scale that is needed to reach that level.

That is it. That is all I said.
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I said you can't be a super star without record labels.

Get back to me when he sells out a world tour where every stop has 10,000+ seats.
Plenty of artists and groups that have came up and sold out tours without the help of record labels.
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Plenty of artists and groups that have came up and sold out tours without the help of record labels.
For sure. But name me the superstar groups or people that achieved that level of fame (I don't mean selling out theaters I mean 10,000 seat or bigger places) that hasn't been on a major label.

It may have happened in the 60's or maybe even the 70's, but once a few major companies took control of all of the major radio stations artists needed them in order to get the mass appeal and the only real way to get access to them is through the major labels.

A person can have a hit song without a major label, but there is a big difference between having one hit song and being a superstar.
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For sure. But name me the superstar groups or people that achieved that level of fame (I don't mean selling out theaters I mean 10,000 seat or bigger places) that hasn't been on a major label.

It may have happened in the 60's or maybe even the 70's, but once a few major companies took control of all of the major radio stations artists needed them in order to get the mass appeal and the only real way to get access to them is through the major labels.

A person can have a hit song without a major label, but there is a big difference between having one hit song and being a superstar.
so you saying that the record industry should have a right to destroy the only chance that those independents have because they have a strangle hold on the old media.

If anything that a reason to leave sites like the pirate bay and mega upload alone.
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so you saying that the record industry should have a right to destroy the only chance that those independents have because they have a strangle hold on the old media.

If anything that a reason to leave sites like the pirate bay and mega upload alone.
Why can't they just host their own files? The cost of bandwidth is next to nothing and as they become more popular and burn more bandwidth their pockets will also be fat(ter) enough to pay for it. What is the point of using these file sharers like megaupload to host your free music when they could disappear overnight and all your links are then dead?
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so you saying that the record industry should have a right to destroy the only chance that those independents have because they have a strangle hold on the old media.

If anything that a reason to leave sites like the pirate bay and mega upload alone.
Per your logic then because they don't publish the music for everyone then it's okay to steal from them ?

I'm sure everyone, including their current visitors, would leave both the pirate bay and mega upload alone if they where not stealing from anyone.

Just look at myspace and be your own judge :wink wink:

How much do you allow the record label companies to make in profits before their work should be pirated and shared amongst thieves and scumbags ?
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so you saying that the record industry should have a right to destroy the only chance that those independents have because they have a strangle hold on the old media.

If anything that a reason to leave sites like the pirate bay and mega upload alone.
I never said that.

I simply said if you want to be a superstar like U2 or Taylor Swift you need the help of a major label.

As for The Pirate Bay and Mega Upload being left alone. . . that is another topic that I am not going to debate because it will do nothing but waste time.
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So some freetards play instruments. So what.

That makes up for all those that have their shit stolen? I don't think so.

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So some freetards play instruments. So what.

That makes up for all those that have their shit stolen? I don't think so.

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and why do you believe that you should have a right to take tool people who are using it legitimately just because other people use for piracy.

It the equivalent of saying that porn should be outlawed completely because some people make kiddie porn.
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That's it. When iget behind my computer Gideon can join Paul on my ignore list. God that guy is an annoying worthless idiot.
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yeah it really is the way of the future

forget about youtube with its billions of views.

all the smart musicians are hitting up the pirate bay
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yeah it really is the way of the future

forget about youtube with its billions of views.

all the smart musicians are hitting up the pirate bay
Hitting them up with law suits.
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He tried to get a record deal but no company he approached showed any interest.

So he really doesn't have that many options but to give the music away for free and hope that some people buy it. Naturally, a lyric style against "the man" is more likely to get the publicity he needs. I'm sure any further releases will be along exactly the same lines.

When talking about his "fanbase" he says "None of that would have been possible without file-sharing" - which is odd because, ummmmm it certainly is possible without filesharing lol.
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When talking about his "fanbase" he says "None of that would have been possible without file-sharing" - which is odd because, ummmmm it certainly is possible without filesharing lol.
How would he have done it with no record label and not giving his content away free on file sharing sites?
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he do that to gain public, and then he go to world and sell tickets to public
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I never heard a good song of those who offer it for free,they are all crap.
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did he make money so far?
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He paid off his 1st mortgage with 3942 downloads, his car with 382 downloads and his is drinking mojitos all day long now in the Caribbean for 2 downloads per drink.
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no media buys
no record label

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...g-charts.shtml

and he is giving away all the music for free on torrents so you don't have to pay him a dime if you don't want to.


but wait porno jew and kane said it was impossible

you could only be successful if you were already famous because of a record deal.
You so desperately want to not pay for anything.
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I need to go buy some more sunflower seeds. Can't torrent them. Maybe I'll just sneak in and grab them.
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Posting the song on Youtube... hmm... seems like a good try. "Download from Pirate Bay" - sounds like something that could be against some rules. Many might want to hear the music for free. By the way, Youtube already has lots of videotaped live concerts.
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the point is, this artist is willingly giving away his music and is more then welcome to do so...but shouldn't other artists have the right to not have their music given away for free if they choose not to?
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the point is, this artist is willingly giving away his music and is more then welcome to do so...but shouldn't other artists have the right to not have their music given away for free if they choose not to?
sure but why do you believe that those artist should have a right to destroy the service for all the people who want to use it.

We didn't outlaw the VCR because some people daisy chain them together to make boot leg copies (until Sony figured out a way to stop that)

they went after the people who USED the tool to infringe, they didn't outlaw the tool

Why do you believe you have a right to take away the tool from all the people who want to use it.
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sure but why do you believe that those artist should have a right to destroy the service for all the people who want to use it.

We didn't outlaw the VCR because some people daisy chain them together to make boot leg copies (until Sony figured out a way to stop that)

they went after the people who USED the tool to infringe, they didn't outlaw the tool

Why do you believe you have a right to take away the tool from all the people who want to use it.
if those "tools" you're talking about wouldn't willingly participate in copyright infringement, nobody would have a problem with them
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if those "tools" you're talking about wouldn't willingly participate in copyright infringement, nobody would have a problem with them
That a bald face lie

and you know it


https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7216...Not_one_excuse
connect to the link without a torrent client on your machine and see how much copyright material you can get.

VCR could infringe with nothing more than the content sold by the company who made them (sony made both the tape cassettes and the recorders).

The pirate bay has way less direct association to copyright infringement then Sony did way back in the day.
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